They don’t make their own processors. They use ARM cores. If the British government decided to ban tech sales to Huawei the same as the US then they’d lose access to ARM and no more processors.
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Google and Other Suppliers Begin Cutting Off Huawei Following U.S. Trade Ban
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That's the issue -- there is no distinction between those two entities in China.
Except that is not the basis this Administration used to label Huawei as a national security threat.
Not only that, but the Chinese government is strongly encouraging its citizens to buy Chinese-made wireless products (instead of Apple's).
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But it is and has. That's been going on since the mid to late 1990s. And not just Huawei.
yes your right, and also TSMC is the one that makes it, but the brits have decided to allow huawei to help build out its g network in the uk. so they are not on trump's side on this political spat between trump and china.
I have worked for years in Asia with manufacturers there. This will definitely hurt Huawei but there is always plan "B" and plan "C" as backup options for the Chinese. The harder they are pushed the harder they will be pushed into innovation. In time they will succeed too. Short term maybe not so quickly but given time they will succeed.
Again, that is not the justification the Administration used to label Huawei as a national security threat. They're two entirely separate issues.
Both and neither.
You want the benefits of being linked so closely to the Chinese government, you get all the drawbacks of being linked so closely to them as well.
ARM, which is now owned by Vision Fund, or SoftBank has already established a JV in China, ( I think China saw what was possibly coming ). And these JV meant China will at least have access to ARM. Not to mention there is a some push towards RSIC-V.
I suggest everyone to read the article linked below, the issues isn't really Huawei, Tech, 5G ( No, it is not 5G for the millionth times, except the media on both side keep referencing it it ) or what not. The fundamental issue is trust.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...cold-war-will-get-worse-before-it-gets-better
Not *the* justification. But is always brought up along with the other trade issues as it has been an ongoing issue for the last 20+ years. It's been the elephant in the room for that long.
I think this unlikely. There are too many people in China employed making Apple products and related components for China to do this. China needs to keep people working.
I believe Tim Cook saw the risk of disruption in the China supply chain some time ago. This is why Foxxconn started a factory in Brazil and Apple is starting to make phones in India.
Oh the hypocrisy, as if the US government never planted spyware on devices.....
Not only that, not guilty until proven rings a bell.
NSA...
Not only that, not guilty until proven rings a bell.
NSA...
Absolutely. Good move by Cook recognizing that disruption possibility. Along with the Chinese government encouraging its citizens to buy Chinese wireless products, with resulting declining Apple sales. I see AAPL is down 3% this morning.
It will most likely affect Microsoft. I don't see how it could not.
However, to the best of my knowledge, Lenovo is a separate company. So I don't see how this would immediately affect them.
As I understand it, the crux of the issue is Huawei's telecom infrastructure business. The issue with smartphones and PC's is just a side effect of that.
I think Xi over-judged his strength when he publicly pushed for the Made in China 2025 program. While his vision is correct (and this ban really underscore that), it would have been better to do so discretely rather than so in-your-face.
Anyway longer term it will likely be worse for the U.S. than China. A key part of U.S. technological leadership is not that other countries cannot compete, but that it doesn't make economic sense to do so. However the bedrock of that is a reliable trade partner. Today it may be Huawei, tomorrow it can be any other firm. What China should do now is to reform on its own and address the grievances of its many trade partners. Trump is making too many enemies and it is the perfect time to control the narrative.
Anyway longer term it will likely be worse for the U.S. than China. A key part of U.S. technological leadership is not that other countries cannot compete, but that it doesn't make economic sense to do so. However the bedrock of that is a reliable trade partner. Today it may be Huawei, tomorrow it can be any other firm. What China should do now is to reform on its own and address the grievances of its many trade partners. Trump is making too many enemies and it is the perfect time to control the narrative.
I wonder when China will announce a rare earth minerals export ban on the US. That should be fun.
they did that last time causing japan and U.S to file complaint to WTO for violation. but this time around pretty positive china is gonna put up a stronger fight in WTO considering whats been happening.
Agreed. Let US Government be the only to spy their own citizens.
Maybe not production problems but Chinese consumers will boycott Apple products and that is 18% of Apple’s revenue. Hence Apple stock price is dropping more than Alphabet’s today.
This is exactly why China is setting up their own banking system and PetroYuan for international trade as the US Banking system poses a national security threat for their international trade and their own national security. They can not allow a Person/President like Trump to come along and just sign off on a paper which cripples their manufacturing,trade or banking. China has a lot of things that they are wrong on but also has a lot of things they are right on. It goes both ways depending on which one chooses to look at.
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Some Chinese also felt the same way which is why Google,Facebook.Whatsapp,Instagram amongst a few others were not allowed in China
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Which brings us back to my original point. The Administration is using false claims of a national security threat as the basis for redressing the completely unrelated issue of trade. That's not how free-market economies operate.
While I agree with the move against Huawei, there is really no difference today between China monitoring it's citizens and the U.S. government monitoring it's citizens. Well, except that in the U.S. it breaks the law and it does not in China. And the fact that no one in the U.S. seems to care either way.
If the U.S. wanted to win the world trade war the U.S. government would bow out of interference with hardware manufacturers to allow it to monitor and would protect privacy. We used to call this a level playing field, which no longer exists. But the U.S. is not grown up enough to do that. So the world will become even more bipolar as each country develops its own tech and/or sides with one of the major players.
If the U.S. wanted to win the world trade war the U.S. government would bow out of interference with hardware manufacturers to allow it to monitor and would protect privacy. We used to call this a level playing field, which no longer exists. But the U.S. is not grown up enough to do that. So the world will become even more bipolar as each country develops its own tech and/or sides with one of the major players.
I wonder how many people who made these ignorant comments have traveled any where else other than their town let alone to somewhere like China...
Has anyone read about thatbackdoor bug in Cisco routers that was disclosed recently.
Has anyone read about that
I saw recently many local Chinese business owners starting to buy Huawei or other local smartphones in support of China to perhaps show patriotism. This will vary as many still like Apple products but if I were to guess even if only 30-50-% decide to be patriotic it could affect Apple big time with sales in China. You will see this from their stock price as we have seen it drop from over $215 to around $182 now which is roughly a 15% haircut within the last month alone
You really think people in the west or Africa will buy Chinese phones with Chinese OS? Lol yeah right.
This step is long overdue.