Right. If it isn't a problem then it isn't a problem. Jobs is just making stuff up and going off on tangents.
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Right. If it isn't a problem then it isn't a problem. Jobs is just making stuff up and going off on tangents.
Agreed. Job's whole point was that open doesn't seem to matter much from the consumer perspective. All they get (in the case of Android) is a very fragmented, vs a very integrated experience. Buy from HTC or Motorola, and the experience is different. Want to buy an App? Check the 4 or 5 different app stores. Pointing out how to download and compile the source code isn't a good comeback for justifying the platform's strength to the consumer.
OS X kernel is just as "open" as Android. Hell, even KHTML inside Android is "open" and was improved thanks to that. And yet it also brings benefits to the "closed" iPhone platform.
Do you have any statistics on that? Android seems to be selling well to the masses so i just want to get an idea who you are referring to as "majority of users".
the definition of open: "mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make"
What a coincidence, that is also the definition of stuff that end users don't care about.
As a software engineer and someone who spends a lot of time working with OSS, I can honestly say that I don't care about "openness" in the manner that it is being discussed in regard to phones. I've developed an app for the iPhone and hundreds in Java (although not specifically Android.)
I just want my phone to work. I can develop an good app for it whether it is "open" or "closed", so as an engineer I'd say it is irrelevant. As a user, I'd say it is highly irrelevant.
The only think that irks me about developing for iOS or OS X is Objective-C. That is honestly the bigger deal to me as a developer. Most guys out there will know .NET or Java- a lot less likely you'll find someone who already knows Objective-C, unless you specifically recruit for that.... and then you're picking from a shallow pool. Android gets the nod here for being able to leverage the a skill set that some engineers have been using for well over 10 years.
What a coincidence, that is also the definition of stuff that end users don't care about.
As a software engineer and someone who spends a lot of time working with OSS, I can honestly say that I don't care about "openness" in the manner that it is being discussed in regard to phones. I've developed an app for the iPhone and hundreds in Java (although not specifically Android.)
I just want my phone to work. I can develop an good app for it whether it is "open" or "closed", so as an engineer I'd say it is irrelevant. As a user, I'd say it is highly irrelevant.
The only think that irks me about developing for iOS or OS X is Objective-C. That is honestly the bigger deal to me as a developer. Most guys out there will know .NET or Java- a lot less likely you'll find someone who already knows Objective-C, unless you specifically recruit for that.... and then you're picking from a shallow pool. Android gets the nod here for being able to leverage the a skill set that some engineers have been using for well over 10 years.
Žalgiris;11254309 said:
Fun fact: The multitouch user interfaces in Minority Report was inspired by Microsoft Surface. In fact, Donald A. Norman (A rather famous design guy and a former Apple employee) went so far as to suggest that multitouch was invented by Microsoft.
Just kicking the hornet's nest here
the majority won't 'see' it at all. THink about it. Average users don't care about upgrading their phones or tinkering with Sense, TouchWiz, etc. Average users go and buy a phone and keep it for two years, and buy another one.
They don't care.
what are you even saying? I said Jobs mentions Tweetdeck having a huge problem with the fragmentation and clearly they didn't.
That would be a surefire way to draw more attention from the FCC and others to Apple not to mention more lawsuits.
I bet he knows all about their software. That's the point, because it could that Jobs was right and he just don't want to confess. You know people sometimes do that altough they knoe that other were right.
meh.
Tweetdeck never did it for me on iphone anyway, if android users want to use it, fine, let them.
The ongoing thing between Google and Apple - well - I've gone past caring.
So what if SJ got it a bit wrong, he is human. Really, he is.
Tweetdeck never did it for me on iphone anyway, if android users want to use it, fine, let them.
The ongoing thing between Google and Apple - well - I've gone past caring.
So what if SJ got it a bit wrong, he is human. Really, he is.
Seriously,
was it necessary to kick android and tweetdeck a few times? I don't understand why SJ would say that without proof that its a harder platform to develop more. Just enjoy the nice quarter and live.
was it necessary to kick android and tweetdeck a few times? I don't understand why SJ would say that without proof that its a harder platform to develop more. Just enjoy the nice quarter and live.
Then I think that's more telling of the sentiments of at least one app developer re: Apple and Google.
Do you develop for the iPhone? Having a couple of devices is absolutely essential for testing because things DO break. Even a big company like Apple still releases buggy software. The amount of configurations and setup every single user might have are endless, even in a very tight ecosystem like Apple's. How the heck am I supposed to properly ensure that my app runs fine on that:
This list includes every modded ROM and custom UI of Android. If you look at releases like 1.6, 2.1, 2.2, etc, it becomes much much simpler. Counting versions of android with different appearance (the equivalent of skins) is making the issue seem way more complex than it is.
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether he is lying or not. If you ask the vast majority of developers whether they'd prefer to develop their code and test 5 different scenarios versus hundreds, what do you think the consensus will be?
More testing = more headcount = more time = more money = less profit and more potential for bugs. It's a very simple equation, which part are you confused about?
Interesting. I can't. That is, I can, but I don't want to pay Apple for the privilege.
I do agree, however, that the end user doesn't care about openness directly but there are certain benefits to openness that the user DO care about, such a being able to buy a new phone and still retain the apps he paid for.
Of that we can agree but since Apple opened up for thirdparty tools you can actually build apps in C#, ActionScript, or Unity for that matter. Maybe even Ruby at some point. Open is good
Fun fact: The multitouch user interfaces in Minority Report was inspired by Microsoft Surface. In fact, Donald A. Norman (A rather famous design guy and a former Apple employee) went so far as to suggest that multitouch was invented by Microsoft.
Just kicking the hornet's nest here
I was referring to the scenes where everyone is scanned when entering the store and system serves them personalized ads. Evil it is.
Obviously Jobs is just running his mouth with very little to back it up. Mostly because he lives in his own world. The same world were he knows what we want better than we do.
Let's just hope this animosity causes some good competition and innovation.
Let's just hope this animosity causes some good competition and innovation.