I think SJ really feels the heat that android sales have shown. Android clearly isn't going away and I Think SJ hates that. He hates not being the dominant player. He'll say he doesn't care when it comes to Macs, but that's because the opportunity is loong gone. The Mac vs PC war is over, PC won. But the iOS vs Android vs WP7 has just begun, and Jobs doesn't want to lose it. But there's nothing he can do to deny that Android is coming strong.
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I think SJ really feels the heat that android sales have shown. Android clearly isn't going away and I Think SJ hates that. He hates not being the dominant player. He'll say he doesn't care when it comes to Macs, but that's because the opportunity is loong gone. The Mac vs PC war is over, PC won. But the iOS vs Android vs WP7 has just begun, and Jobs doesn't want to lose it. But there's nothing he can do to deny that Android is coming strong.
exactly, and the single greatest thing about iOS is that no one except the user is allowed to touch it. My carrier can't brand my phone, they can't put stupid apps on the homescreen that I can't remove.
As John Gruber often points out, although carriers often think they are the customers of Apple, the reality is Apple sees the user as their customer. And that makes a big difference for the user experience
Based on sales numbers "non-geeks" are getting "tired" of the iPhone and switching over to Android in droves. Have you seen the numbers? I know I am about to join them. Kind of tired of having an iPhone for three years and having my calls (with the iPhone 4) sounding like they are originating from a tin can. Can't wait!
In the AppleWorld(TM) - They just showed each other Keynote presentations of how everyone outside is either dying of their own weight or has already failed colossally due to Fragmentation and/or Viruses. Last slide was about PC Developers lined up for Food Stamps.
If only the Android OS didn't look so amateurish. I reminds me of old Palm software from the 1990's.
Based on sales numbers "non-geeks" are getting "tired" of the iPhone and switching over to Android in droves. Have you seen the numbers? I know I am about to join them. Kind of tired of having an iPhone for three years and having my calls (with the iPhone 4) sounding like they are originating from a tin can. Can't wait!
Based on sales numbers, it looks like iphone had its best sales quarter ever so i'm not sure what you're talking about.
"Did we at any point say it was a nightmare developing on Android? Errr nope, no we didn't."
Did Steve Jobs at any point say it was a nightmare developing on Android? Errr nope, no he didn't. Never used the word. He DID say it was highly fragmented - but that was a quote from TweetDeck's own blog!
FAIL
Did Steve Jobs at any point say it was a nightmare developing on Android? Errr nope, no he didn't. Never used the word. He DID say it was highly fragmented - but that was a quote from TweetDeck's own blog!
FAIL
Ok got it, i figure you know better than Google what they're talking about. I've also never heard of a concept of Open Wants and Needs, but I assume your talking about business potential of an open source product, i.e. how different companies monetize on something that is open source. Something like MacOS taking the Unix open source base and packaging it into Darwin and then reselling as their own pricey product.
It is completely up to terms of licensing how you can make money with existing open source solutions, and it's been here for decades.
The whole article is about SJ claiming "Android is not open, then it is but is still BAAAD, it sucks to be open, look at us, we only have three devices, we're so great, everyone else sucks."
On his Legally Blond act Google responded with a command line to show clearly what OPEN means. And they didn't mention Open Wants and Needs, btw.
This is true and not true really. You can remove anything you want to from any android home screen. Yes, there are apps like the Sprint TV apps you cannot UNINSTALL, but if you don't want to use them, they are hidden away in the app drawer. I'm sure there's apps on iOS like calculator, stocks, notes, etc. that people want to hide but can't.
Google has opened the doors for all carriers and cell phone manufacturers to become completely dependent on Google.
If you ask me its a smart play by Google at the right time. Think back.... it's 2009, you've got every US carrier besides AT&T in need of a serious iPhone contender. You have mobile phone giants like Motorola who once dominated, losing money on their mobile phones. Even Palm's "last best shot" failed to make a dent despite providing so many of the whiz-bang iPhone-like features and a portfolio of patents to defend themselves against Apple for eternity. Now you release a "free" platform for the manufacturers to use. You make it easy for users to switch carriers or phone manufacturers and so long as they stay with Google Android which means you remove brand loyalty to the manufacturer or carrier. It gives Google insight into user's usage patterns and their purchasing patterns and the ability to drive advertising. Essentially the customers of all these manufacturers and carriers now belong to Google. What carrier or manufacturer would sign-up for such a deal UNLESS it was their only hope against Apple and iPhone?
Apple created Google. I am reminded of the first Batman movie with Keaton and Nicholson..... "You made me".... "You made me first."
Personally I would have just been annoyed if I had made a statement and Steve Jobs (or anyone else for that matter) had said the quote is from Acerarchie or something similar.
I'm surprised that TweetDeck have not commented on how Steve managed to get the name of their app wrong (TwitterDeck) even though he was using it as the basis of his fragmentation rant!
Maybe that's just me being a perfectionist though!
I'm surprised that TweetDeck have not commented on how Steve managed to get the name of their app wrong (TwitterDeck) even though he was using it as the basis of his fragmentation rant!
Maybe that's just me being a perfectionist though!
Yes (and forgive me i don't have it but i can find it) i read a link where interest in developing for android is on the rise.
I think ultimately, the eventual bigger user base will make developers look past any fragmentation issues they may have in order to make more money.
Its a case by case basis really...can't say it one way or the other. Some people have had a really hard time developing an android app, some haven't. Hell if anything, shouldn't we be seeing developers going to WebOS to develop since its so easy with even less fragmentation than iOS?
Yeah, but at the end of the day, where the money is is where developers will go.
Did you see the second followup quote from TweetDeck - 2 guys working on the Android App goes to show how much non-issue the fragmentation is?
THAT WAS FINAL FAIL.
Well if Tweetdeck didn't have a problem with the Android platform, they should get back to work and fix the app for the iOS. Damn thing crashes nearly every time I try to use it.
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And any developer (or claims dev) who thinks that Android requires testing on 100's of configuration is a crappier developer and clearly does not know how to program or how programming really works.
It is also a sure fire way to pick out the lairs and crappy devs who use that argument.
SJ says those things because he knows that the clueless masses do not understanding anything bout programing or how it even works. People who understand it know SJ is full of crap and see him for what he really is.
A marketer. Knows how to sell but lair and can not be trusted as far as you can throw him.
Funny. You could say the same thing about Jobs. You know - to appease stockholders who might feel there is a threat from Android. Jobs gets up and fabricates/exaggerates issues with Android.
But funny how your mind immediately goes to defend Jobs. As opposed to questioning motive.
This is pretty basic. Jobs shot his mouth off and got called on it. No big deal either way. Jobs got to bash the competition which achieved what he wanted. And both Google and TweetDeck got to state their position. The quote isn't going to be erased from the stockholders mind. And those with an open mind will take Google and Tweetdeck's comments and another incident of someone bashing the competition.
Business as usual.
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Thank you- I wish some of these people would open their eyes and realize the vast majority of users are non-geeks.
Thank you- I wish some of these people would open their eyes and realize the vast majority of users are non-geeks.
Right. And is android as fragmented as iOS? You have iPad 3.2, iPhone 4.1, iPod Touch 4.1, then you have the 3GS on 4.0, you have those who haven't upgraded their 3G, you have those not even running 4.0.
It's just as fragmented.