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You are absolutely correct. But Apple is a marketing company with an attached hard- and software DESIGN department. And if there is one thing Apple really is good at, then it's marketing.

There is no dispute about that.
 
Looks good for the money. £160 v £400 makes a big difference.

Specs looks good too. Think this would be a good tablet for someone who just wants to watch films and tv and do a little browsing
 
You are absolutely correct. But Apple is a marketing company with an attached hard- and software DESIGN department. And if there is one thing Apple really is good at, then it's marketing.

Hmm I don't buy that. Apple is exceptional at marketing but that doesn't make them a marketing company. They're a modern consumer orientated technology company. Marketing is one of several things they're pretty adept at.

I sense in the comment a need to reduce Apple by putting it in a box with a label. I've noticed this before with Techie's - it's almost like they're threatened by change...
 
Looks fantastic for it's price and specs, It's also the perfect size and weight to carry around, use its nfc capabilities (google wallet) etc

But jellybean seems a little bit too cluttered and all over the place, That shouldn't matter though considerings it android, and you can customise it the way YOU want it to look like.

The only problem is, I have just seen the microsoft tablet, and too me that just makes the iPad and android UI look like an old piece of garbage. The microsoft surface's ui looks so fluid, with beautiful colours and a sleek way of interacting with the device.

I'm just wondering what tablet to buy now :roll eyes:

Ipad: Great retina display, fantastic looking apps... erm?


Nexus 7: Nice portable size, Fantastic price and specs and battery life, also great ability to customise, and it has flash capability I presume, which is always a great OPTION to have for a consumer.

Microsoft suface: Fantastic UI, The best type of design and materials I have seen on a tablet, backed by a great software company, Microsoft office etc

I think I will wait till the microsoft surface comes out, see what the price is like, and what the battery life is like.

If the micrsoft surface is around the price of the iPad, and it's battery life is near the iPad. I will get the microsoft surface.

If not I shall way to see what the next iPad is like.
 
Anyone has an idea what this q-thing is good for?

supposed to be a like Sonos, but with added functionality, like movie streaming etc... I don't think Google did a good Job of showing off what the Q could do. If you watch the keynote, their demo showed some middle aged guys hanging out listening to music together, *which leads me to ask* "who does that?" last time I had a chance to loaf around with my friends I was in college and we were all too busy potting smoke and watching some ATHF reruns to be listening to music.
 
Remember when it used to be "Redmond, start your photocopiers…"

Seems it's "Google, start your photocopiers!"

Seriously? Somebody's copying TV? This is an Onion story, right?

Not an ounce of originality. They're a data gathering/advertising company. They're just trying to find different front-ends, based on Apple's successes.

At some point, Schmitd's board level knowledge of Apple's strategy must run out. Then what will Google do? High-res notebooks?

Sigh!

Hear, hear.

Schmidt is just the absolute worst person on this planet - not that any of Google's executives are any better. Mostly just arrogant idiots all around that are so out of touch with technology today.
 
The Q-thing is more like an experiment and checking if they can get a product into the living room.

The price is definitely on the higher side. But, have to consider that made/assembled in US, not China or Taiwan. This is more like a symbolic gesture from Google.

Good article in Verge about this:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3121979/made-in-the-usa-google-nexus-q-streamer-american

Although it's a nice gesture, I don't think that the Made in USA aspect alone justifies a $300 price tag.

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Looks fantastic for it's price and specs, It's also the perfect size and weight to carry around, use its nfc capabilities (google wallet) etc

But jellybean seems a little bit too cluttered and all over the place, That shouldn't matter though considerings it android, and you can customise it the way YOU want it to look like.

The only problem is, I have just seen the microsoft tablet, and too me that just makes the iPad and android UI look like an old piece of garbage. The microsoft surface's ui looks so fluid, with beautiful colours and a sleek way of interacting with the device.

I'm just wondering what tablet to buy now :roll eyes:

Ipad: Great retina display, fantastic looking apps... erm?


Nexus 7: Nice portable size, Fantastic price and specs and battery life, also great ability to customise, and it has flash capability I presume, which is always a great OPTION to have for a consumer.

Microsoft suface: Fantastic UI, The best type of design and materials I have seen on a tablet, backed by a great software company, Microsoft office etc

I think I will wait till the microsoft surface comes out, see what the price is like, and what the battery life is like.

If the micrsoft surface is around the price of the iPad, and it's battery life is near the iPad. I will get the microsoft surface.

If not I shall way to see what the next iPad is like.


I never thought this would happen, but now I'm considering both a Microsoft surface when it's released and the Nexus 7 tablet.
 
Hear, hear.

Schmidt is just the absolute worst person on this planet - not that any of Google's executives are any better. Mostly just arrogant idiots all around that are so out of touch with technology today.

This is a parody of a fanboy, doesn't it?
 
Unless the Kindle gets upgraded with something that makes it more attractive; I'll probably pick one or two of them up for my parents for Christmas. I'd planned on getting them Kindles anyways. An iPad is a bit too much for their needs and I doubt they'd use it to its potential.

A $200 Kindle or Nexus 7 is a perfect fit for my technophobic parents. :)
 
Words simply aren't enough to describe your comment

A huge waste of time is this. Consumers don't want tablets. They want iPads.

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I never seen so many fanboys and girls in one thread! :eek:



Hear, hear.

Schmidt is just the absolute worst person on this planet - not that any of Google's executives are any better. Mostly just arrogant idiots all around that are so out of touch with technology today.

Riiiiight. I guess that's why Google is doing so bad lately - oh wait . . .
 
Riiiiight. I guess that's why Google is doing so bad lately - oh wait . . .

Yes, losing money hand over foot on that failure known as Android is doing sooo good, right?

As is being investigated for numerous ethical and privacy violations over wireless snooping?

And increasingly becoming a danger to their customers by implementing draconian privacy policies?

If it weren't for the tech blogs, which do nothing but fawn all over Google, they'd have nothing.
 
The IPS hi-res screen is nice, as is the processor. But I have yet to see anyone demonstrate a niche for a 7" screen. The iPhone/touch fits in your pocket; the iPad is small but gives you a much better experience for browsing and typing. But 7" gives you the browsing experience of a phone and the portability of an iPad. The only place I could really see this taking off is in medical, since it'll fit in a lab coat.

If it does take off, all research points to Apple having a 7"-er in their labs. However, I'm not sure it will; I see lots of Kindles, but the Fire is rarely among them. It's a great size for an e-reader, but not for a browser, and not for input-related consumption.
 
It's not just the tech blogs. Google fanboys and the Fandroids (a diminishing group admittedly) are enablers of bad corporate behavior. We Apple customers have much higher standards and the company respects us as a result.

I know! It's like a whole group of far too emotionally invested tech fans who needlessly fawn over some near faceless corporation, make excuses for every stupid thing they do, hate the competition for no apparent reason, and can't seem to form an opinion for themselves. Stupid Google.

:looks around: Oh, excuse me. Didn't realize I was in a glass house here. I'll just take this bucket of rocks elsewhere.
 
Yes, losing money hand over foot on that failure known as Android is doing sooo good, right?

As is being investigated for numerous ethical and privacy violations over wireless snooping?

And increasingly becoming a danger to their customers by implementing draconian privacy policies?

If it weren't for the tech blogs, which do nothing but fawn all over Google, they'd have nothing.







It's not just the tech blogs. Google fanboys and the Fandroids (a diminishing group admittedly) are enablers of bad corporate behavior. We Apple customers have much higher standards and the company respects us as a result.

- We expect Apple to act responsibly as a corporate citizen.
- We demanded action on treatment of employees in factories in China, and Apple is now showing the world how to do it right.
- We don't accept sub-standard products when very rarely Apple makes a less than perfect product. We pressure them to put it right: yellow tint on some early iPad displays, click and freeze MacBook Pro hard drives, etc. And they always do.
- When it came to light APIs in iOS were enabling some less than scrupulous developers to steal contacts, calendar data from our devices, the Apple community came together to shame the developers and require the holes be closed. Google fans just shrug their shoulders and laugh about the same problems on their platforms. Why? Because they have been trained to have no expectation for any kind of privacy. :D

Are you both trying to win the silly post of the week?
 
We Apple customers have much higher standards and the company respects us as a result.

This has got to be parody.

- We expect Apple to act responsibly as a corporate citizen.

By enacting the biggest threat to freedom of speech electronically since the creation of China's firewall.

- We demanded action on treatment of employees in factories in China, and Apple is now showing the world how to do it right.

Apple made very little movement.

- We don't accept sub-standard products when very rarely Apple makes a less than perfect product. We pressure them to put it right: yellow tint on some early iPad displays, click and freeze MacBook Pro hard drives, etc. And they always do.

Hahaha. Hahhahahahahaha. Lion. Versions. Mission Control. Siri. Apple Maps. The podcast app. Sandboxing. The yellow tint on the iPhone 3G screen wasn't fixed for 26 months until the iPhone 4 shipped. iOS5's battery life killing was only ever half fixed. Apple flat out lied about making Facetime an open standard. iCloud's uptime is just as bad if not worse than MobileMe's, which Steve Jobs himself considered a laughing stock. In app purchases debacle leading to the terrible UI of apps telling you you can subscribe with no links to where.

There are people all over these forums bending over backwards to justify all of these terrible products and defening the indefensible.

I really just flatly cannot believe you typed this with a straight face.

- When it came to light APIs in iOS were enabling some less than scrupulous developers to steal contacts, calendar data from our devices, the Apple community came together to shame the developers and require the holes be closed. Google fans just shrug their shoulders and laugh about the same problems on their platforms. Why? Because they have been trained to have no expectation for any kind of privacy. :D

Huh? Android has had better explainations of which APIs of your information are used by apps as part of their installation process since it was first released. iOS is only now just barely catching up.
 
By enacting the biggest threat to freedom of speech electronically since the creation of China's firewall.

Not even remotely close to being true.

Apple made very little movement.

Did more than anyone else, even though they didn't have to. It's more tech blogs raising a big stink over nothing just because of their irrational hatred of Apple.

Hahaha. Hahhahahahahaha. Lion. Versions. Mission Control. Siri. Apple Maps. The podcast app. Sandboxing. The yellow tint on the iPhone 3G screen wasn't fixed for 26 months until the iPhone 4 shipped. iOS5's battery life killing was only ever half fixed. Apple flat out lied about making Facetime an open standard. iCloud's uptime is just as bad if not worse than MobileMe's, which Steve Jobs himself considered a laughing stock. In app purchases debacle leading to the terrible UI of apps telling you you can subscribe with no links to where.

There are people all over these forums bending over backwards to justify all of these terrible products and defening the indefensible.

Wow, I've never seen someone be more wrong.

iCloud's uptime is bad? Huh, funny - I've never once had a problem and I've been using it since it launched. Facetime is an open standard, no one lied about that.

Not sure what you're saying about all those products, but they're pretty awesome actually.

Go post on Google+ if you want to mindlessly fawn and swoon over Google.

I really just flatly cannot believe you typed this with a straight face.

I know, right? I can't believe you actually posted that with a straight face, The Phazer.

Huh? Android has had better explainations of which APIs of your information are used by apps as part of their installation process since it was first released. iOS is only now just barely catching up.

The only thing Android has is a terrible UI, terrible interface, and a terrible community. iOS doesn't need to catch up because they're so far beyond, they're lapping Android.
 
Eh? Are you suggesting the Nexus 7 has no WiFi? Or the Google Glass? Because both do have it .
Please explain your post in more detail.

If you are not in an area with an open WiFi network, WiFi only devices are effectively offline. 3G/4G devices aren't. That was Lindsford's point.

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Not even remotely close to being true.

How isn't it? Apple pioneered the single store policy and code signing, and have used it to block applications with content they don't approve of, including sexual freedom applications, artistic works, parodies and political speech.

Did more than anyone else, even though they didn't have to. It's more tech blogs raising a big stink over nothing just because of their irrational hatred of Apple.

So nothing significant to give anyone credit over then.

Wow, I've never seen someone be more wrong.

iCloud's uptime is bad? Huh, funny - I've never once had a problem and I've been using it since it launched.

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/2...age-services-experiencing-significant-outage/

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/16/widespread-itunes-and-icloud-apple-id-outage/

I'm not sure that demonstrates very much apart from your lack of observation.

Facetime is an open standard, no one lied about that.

Errr. Well you did. Flat lied. Just then. Facetime is not an open standard. Its specs have never been released. There is no implementation document for third parties. Indeed, Apple secures the system using a hardware based certificate that is only installed on Apple hardware.

Please, if I'm wrong, feel free to point me towards where the standard is published. I will eat crow to an amazing extent, and admit what an embarrassing failure it is for me.

I'm not expecting to have to do so, as you are wrong.

Not sure what you're saying about all those products, but they're pretty awesome actually.

I do beleive that's proving my point that there are people here who definitely do "accept sub-standard products."

Go post on Google+ if you want to mindlessly fawn and swoon over Google.

I don't. I'm not a silly fanboy. Google do lots of things *terribly*. They are crap to deal with on many levels. But Apple make huge amounts of cockups too. They are large corporations, and will inevitably screw things up. I just want the stuff I use to work well.


The only thing Android has is a terrible UI, terrible interface, and a terrible community. iOS doesn't need to catch up because they're so far beyond, they're lapping Android.

I really don't give a toss if you like Android or not. The *fact*, observable, provable, non-subjective fact, is that Android has informed users of apps accessing the information in the address book and calendar prominently during installation for several years. Meanwhile iOS is not introducing this until iOS6, and even then for far fewer APIs.

This is a fact. Android is also crap in many areas, but it does not change facts.
 
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Reading over the Engadget hands-on for the Nexus Q there was some information I missed from the live blogs during the keynote. You cannot actually push content from your Android device to the Q, instead the Q will (re)download the content from the cloud to play.

But, each Q will have to have its own way to connect to the internet, since the content isn't actually pushed from your device, it's pulled from the cloud. Say you've loaded up your new Nexus 7 with the entire Transformers series of movies, as one might be prone to do, all available offline to save your precious data cap. The Q is going to have to download them all again, which could be a problem if you're on a bad connection.

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/nexus-q-social-streaming-device-hands-on/

That's one of the things I love about the Apple TV is the ability to push content from my iPhone or iPad (AirPlay), pull content from iTunes (home sharing), or download/stream content from the internet (iTunes Store, iCloud, YouTube, Netflix, etc.). I would have expected that the Nexus 7 (or any newer Android device) would have been able to push content to the Q. Instead, it sounds as if your Android device ends up being nothing more than a remote (in relation to the Q). If your internet connection drops out or is flaky, you are SOL; whereas with the Apple TV you can still connect to media on your home network.

I just don't get it. $200 more expensive than the Apple TV with less content access. I would hope that Google can/will expand the features later with a software update since it is running ICS.

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Facetime is an open standard, no one lied about that.

Errr. Well you did. Flat lied. Just then. Facetime is not an open standard. Its specs have never been released. There is no implementation document for third parties. Indeed, Apple secures the system using a hardware based certificate that is only installed on Apple hardware.

Please, if I'm wrong, feel free to point me towards where the standard is published. I will eat crow to an amazing extent, and admit what an embarrassing failure it is for me.


Technically you are both correct (according to Wikipedia):

Standards

The FaceTime protocol is partly based on numerous open industry standards.[9]:

H.264 and AAC – video and audio codecs respectively
SIP – IETF signaling protocol for VoIP
STUN, TURN and ICE – IETF technologies for traversing firewalls and NAT
RTP and SRTP – IETF standards for delivering real-time and encrypted media streams for VoIP

Upon the launch of the iPhone 4, Jobs promised that Apple would immediately start working with standards bodies to make the FaceTime protocol an "open standard." As of June 2011, it is not yet known to have been ratified by any standards body, and the extent of work by Apple with regard to this promise is unclear as Apple has not released technical specifications for the service. FaceTime is not currently supported on any non-Apple devices.

While FaceTime is based on open standards, Apple's FaceTime service requires a client-side certificate.[10] For example, while the protocol might become an "open standard", access to Apple's FaceTime service is controlled by Apple.
 
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