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Nothing is sold by Google.

A lot of people here do not understand what Google does with the info.

None of it is sold.


Let me explain it in kid friendly terms:

Bob buys an Android phone and Bob has an obsession on bananas.

Trevor is banana tree farmer and wants to sell more bananas.

Google know that Bob loves bananas based on his browsing habits and search terms.

Trevor decides to create online ads with Google. His business information is submitted to Google.

Now Google knows that Bob loves bananas so Google begins showing Trevor's Banana farm ads to Bob.

Trevor has no idea who Bob is or if he even exists.

In all these interactions, when was Bobs info sold to third-parties? Never.

Is it so hard to understand?

They SAY that's how they use it. Of course, you are taking their word for it. In addition, they reserve the right to change the terms of service at any time.
 
They SAY that's how they use it. Of course, you are taking their word for it. In addition, they reserve the right to change the terms of service at any time.

Seriously? How can you be this insecure? I have ads with Google and I never had access to any user information.
 
I'm perfectly OK with the name Android Pay. Why? Because this is one instance that you don't want or need a differentiation that sounds radically different. Especially for business owners both large and small. You don't want to cause confusion between payment methods. The closer the process is for both types (and any other type) the easier and greater the adoption rate by vendors AND consumers. And those people behind the counter will be able to handle ALL transactions without having to learn multiple processes.
 
Nothing is sold by Google.

A lot of people here do not understand what Google does with the info.

None of it is sold.


Let me explain it in kid friendly terms:

Bob buys an Android phone and Bob has an obsession on bananas.

Trevor is banana tree farmer and wants to sell more bananas.

Google know that Bob loves bananas based on his browsing habits and search terms.

Trevor decides to create online ads with Google. His business information is submitted to Google.

Now Google knows that Bob loves bananas so Google begins showing Trevor's Banana farm ads to Bob.

Trevor has no idea who Bob is or if he even exists.

In all these interactions, when was Bobs info sold to third-parties? Never.

Is it so hard to understand?

Yes, extreme condescension is very hard to understand. But it is OK, I put my "happy" filter so it comes off not so bad...

BTW, Google's doing so "well" that almost all its mobile revenues come from IOS and are the mercy of Apple. NYT had an article yesterday saying that Android and Google's future is murky.

Future profitability is very much in doubt no matter how much data mining they attempt sell to advertisers. That's why they're seemingly all over the place, grasping at straws.

Any OEM using them for new stuff (like the Internet of thing) would be plain crazy considering 98% of Android OEM are losing money (only LG and Samsung actually made money last year). Steering clear of them is the only sane thing for an OEM; getting software from them is just not worth it.
 
Google copies Apple, Apple copies Google. Another day, another dollar.

Exactly! They all copy each other. However apart from on tap, nothing sounded that interesting to me, maybe because I already have it all on ios. It didn't entice me to pick up any android devices.

I hope WWDC is more interesting.
 
Yes, extreme condescension is very hard to understand. But it is OK, I put my "happy" filter so it comes off not so bad...

BTW, Google's doing so "well" that almost all its mobile revenues come from IOS and are the mercy of Apple. NYT had an article yesterday saying that Android and Google's future is murky.

Future profitability is very much in doubt no matter how much data mining they attempt sell to advertisers. That's why they're seemingly all over the place, grasping at straws.

Any OEM using them for new stuff (like the Internet of thing) would be plain crazy considering 98% of Android OEM are losing money (only LG and Samsung actually made money last year). Steering clear of them is the only sane thing for an OEM; getting software from them is just not worth it.

Ok so you still do not understand, got it.
 
Don't understand why they changed it to Android Pay, like literally copying Apple's naming for their service, despite Android already having the Google Wallet name?

Lots of interesting ideas though, and I like the new Google Now On Tap system.
 
It's also a shame that the carriers in the states always want a piece of the pie and probably won't enable this on most Android smartphones in the U.S. in favor of their own initiatives. Similar to Google Wallet. :-/
 
So if someone steals someone else's phone and they didn't bother to put a security feature on it then they just got that person's wallet too?

You have to put a security feature, most phones will use PIN, newer devices will give you the option.

I can't have Wallet setup without a PIN.
 
I'm perfectly OK with the name Android Pay. Why? Because this is one instance that you don't want or need a differentiation that sounds radically different. Especially for business owners both large and small. You don't want to cause confusion between payment methods. The closer the process is for both types (and any other type) the easier and greater the adoption rate by vendors AND consumers. And those people behind the counter will be able to handle ALL transactions without having to learn multiple processes.

So you would be ok with Windows Pay?
 
It's also a shame that the carriers in the states always want a piece of the pie and probably won't enable this on most Android smartphones in the U.S. in favor of their own initiatives. Similar to Google Wallet. :-/

Unlike when Wallet was first released, devices running KitKat could bypass any restrictions from the carriers because of Host Card Emulation because they addressed the 'security concerns' of the carriers.

So Wallet has been usable across all carriers since KitKat. But they're re-branding it to re-launch, just like they rebranded Google TV to Android TV. Android is a stronger brand for physical devices than Google.
 
Neither Apple nor Google were first to NFC mobile payments. So quit arguing about it, it's stupid. AT&T and Jack in The Box did with flip phones in the U.S. in 2007. Google "copied" that, Apple one upped them, now Google has done the same. (Yes, it's better than Apple Pay for now due to loyalty card support) I am a huge Apple pay fanboy, I have tons of videos on it and it's practically all I talk about on these forums, but it needs a loyalty program.
 
I had google wallet years ago. It was ****** useless.
Got apple pay when the 6 came out, I used it more often than the google wallet i had for years. :apple:

"Android Pay"... lol it looks like Samsung gave google their copy machine :D

Android pay is just Google wallet renamed though.you can go dig out your 3 year old android phone and update your expired Cards on it and it will work at the same places your new iPhone 6 is used.
 
*beeeeeeep* wrong. AT&T and Jack in The Box did in 2007.

Google wallet got the ball rolling to get where we are now.not a single merchant gave a crap until android started it and you know it.

With google behind it it took off

Ps congrats on att and one retailer that used nfc payments.I never said google invented it

It's funny because I was one of the first to ever use google wallet on my galaxy nexus and never to until this day have I ever heard of the att or jack in the box nfc crap from 2007.
 
Google wallet got the ball rolling to get where we are now.not a single merchant gave a crap until android started it and you know it.

With google behind it it took off

Ps congrats on att and one retailer that used nfc payments.I never said google invented it

I don't know what would ever give you the idea that Google got NFC payments to take off.
 
I don't know what would ever give you the idea that Google got NFC payments to take off.

Your kidding right? I'm going to pretend I never used google wallet for years before apple had it.

Oh and on a android device.

Please tell us how nfc took off?
 
Your kidding right? I'm going to pretend I never used google wallet for years before apple had it.

Oh and on a android device.

Please tell us how nfc took off?

How is this an example of NFC payments taking off due to Google? I live in Canada and NFC payments are ubiquitous here without Google and have been for the last couple of years. The ability to use NFC doesn't mean that Google had anything to do with the standard taking off.

If anything I would say Apple is currently causing a push in NFC adoption by retailers because it's easy to get behind something Apple is marketing.

This isn't about who did it first.
 
How is this an example of NFC payments taking off due to Google? I live in Canada and NFC payments are ubiquitous here without Google and have been for the last couple of years. The ability to use NFC doesn't mean that Google had anything to do with the standard taking off.

If anything I would say Apple is currently causing a push in NFC adoption by retailers because it's easy to get behind something Apple is marketing.

This isn't about who did it first.

this picture was taken from a google dev conference back 4 years ago with google working with merchants to push nfc with the galaxy nexus.

These merchants were onboard back then.you saying Google isn't a major if not the biggest factor in how we have nfc today is insane.
 

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Honestly, Googles announcements seem rather bland and expected.

But then again, it's been a while from any of the players that I've seen anything that made me go "wow". So, I think we've hit a plateau for a while and it's all going to be "tit for tat" and little tweaks to existing technologies until someone does something really game changing again.

I hope Apple comes up with something for Apple TV that makes me go "wow".
 
Nothing is sold by Google.

A lot of people here do not understand what Google does with the info.

None of it is sold.


Let me explain it in kid friendly terms:

1. Bob buys an Android phone and Bob has an obsession on bananas.

2. Trevor is banana tree farmer and wants to sell more bananas.

3. Google know that Bob loves bananas based on his browsing habits and search terms.

4. Trevor decides to create online ads with Google. His business information is submitted to Google.

5. Now Google knows that Bob loves bananas so Google begins showing Trevor's Banana farm ads to Bob.

6. Trevor has no idea who Bob is or if he even exists.

In all these interactions, when was Bobs info sold to third-parties? Never.

Is it so hard to understand?

I added the numbers to make it easier to answer your question.

When was Bobs info sold to third-parties?

It was at step 4.

See Google let Trevor know that they know who likes bananas.

The fact that Bob's information wasn't directly handed over to Trevor doesn't mean that it wasn't sold.

The only difference between how you and Google define "sell" is the number of times Trevor has to pay.
 
How is this an example of NFC payments taking off due to Google? I live in Canada and NFC payments are ubiquitous here without Google and have been for the last couple of years. The ability to use NFC doesn't mean that Google had anything to do with the standard taking off.

If anything I would say Apple is currently causing a push in NFC adoption by retailers because it's easy to get behind something Apple is marketing.

This isn't about who did it first.

Exactly. A dead on statement.
 
this picture was taken from a google dev conference back 4 years ago with google working with merchants to push nfc with the galaxy nexus.

These merchants were onboard back then.you saying Google isn't a major if not the biggest factor in how we have nfc today is insane.

You do understand that Google Wallet used Mastercard's PayPass and Visa's payWave systems for communication? These are the systems designed by the credit card companies, so in reality the credit card companies are responsible for the current state of NFC (just as is up here in Canada with debit and credit cards pushing NFC). Google didn't create a system and then get retailers on board: they just supported the existing standard.

However, I've read many of your other posts and know that once you think something there's no changing your mind, no matter how much proof is provided. So this'll be my last post on the matter.
 
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