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Remember that the reasoning for it is much different. Google analyzes all your photos, uses location data, and more to build a better profile about you, which they can sell to advertisers.

Hate to break it to you, but Apple also analyzes all you photos, uses location data, and more. This is how Photos can do face recognition and automatically organize your photos and videos by when and where they were taken.
 
I like how people said apple was falling behind because they decided not to use a bigger screen size and home screen widgets. Then google announces these features that are totally original.

Android will always be behind apple because they don't understand real need.
 
So they announced iOS 8?

Just kidding, Android M looks great, but uh, choosing your app permissions, native fingerprint and flashlight APIs, Ap-Google Pay, it all sounds VERY iOS 8 like.

I like it though! Google Now On Tap seems like a big privacy concern however.
 
This bloke who's on stage has just proudly stated "... and this year we are going to focus especially on quality and polish... "

Erm yes... well why wouldn't you have ANYWAY? Isn't that a PRIORITY from day one?
 
I like how people said apple was falling behind because they decided not to use a bigger screen size and home screen widgets. Then google announces these features that are totally original.

Android will always be behind apple because they don't understand real need.

How so?
 
"It seems that Google promises better battery life and efficiency with every new version of Android"

This is the sort of thing where Android tends to crush iOS. With every major iOS update, devices generally run noticeably slower. With major Android updates, my phone generally has run at least as well as previous versions if not better.

I wish Apple would make this a goal, for both iOS and even OS X.

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This bloke who's on stage has just proudly stated "... and this year we are going to focus especially on quality and polish... "

Erm yes... well why wouldn't you have ANYWAY? Isn't that a PRIORITY from day one?

No, sometimes new features are the priority and sometimes there are fewer new features and a major update is more about optimization under the hood.

Did you totally miss Snow Leopard? Frankly I'd love to see Apple do more optimization centric releases on both iOS and OSX.
 
Nice attempt to side-step the point I made, but you've failed. My point was that Google and Apple sell advertising space, not as you claimed, selling "Bob to Trevor" in the example given. Both companies use similar methods to learn about the users and their preferences, so that they can sell advertising space a competitive rates to companies. They don't give out information about a User to a company wanting to advertise.

They sell targeted advertising space.

Never gave iAd an exception.

There is big difference between saying 100,000 people drive past this sign per week, or we have 50,000 subscribers to our magazine which is what advertisers do, and say we know what people read, watch, talk about, and save for personal use. Depending upon how much you pay will depend how closely we target them.

Google uses specific information about a person to sell access to them. They are pimps not advertisers.
 
Never gave iAd an exception.

There is big difference between saying 100,000 people drive past this sign per week, or we have 50,000 subscribers to our magazine which is what advertisers do, and say we know what people read, watch, talk about, and save for personal use. Depending upon how much you pay will depend how closely we target them.

Google uses specific information about a person to sell access to them. They are pimps not advertisers.

They don't sell any access. If you don't agrees, put just one link supporting your claims or stop posting FUD
 
Trevor doesn't have access to Bob, if you disagree, please link to any source stating that Trevor has access to Bob.



Very funny bending of fact, Google is not selling Bob.



Yes, it means exactly that



No, they don't sell any information. If you don't agree, please link us to any source sating that any type of information is sold




Google don't sell any mail list, if you disagree you can link to any source stating that they sell that



Yes, this is exactly what Google does, they sell AD SPACE, nothing more, nothing les. And they can sell again and again because they don't sell, give or share any information to the ad companies

As long as Bob never provides revenue to Trevor then your claim remains valid, but if he does and it was influenced in any way due behavior by Google, then Google sold Bob to Trevor.

But sell is the wrong word, we established that. Bob was pimped. See Bob was still treated as a product, Google retains ownership, Trevor gets what he paid for, and Bob ends up slightly worse off then when he started.

The problem with Google isn't that they sell ad space, but how they go about it. If they made products that delivered ads, that would be one thing, but they collect user data under the pretense of providing Bob a service only to turn around and use the information to charge Bob to target him.

Twist it as much as you want, but this what they do, and this is why people dislike Google.
 
You obviously don't understand how the online advertising market works. I am one of those customers of Google ads and the FUD you're spreading here is just total nonsense.

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Google uses specific information about a person to sell access to them. They are pimps not advertisers.
 
They don't sell any access. If you don't agrees, put just one link supporting your claims or stop posting FUD

How hard is this to understand? Google is between Bob and Trevor. Trevor pays Google. Trevor's message reaches Bob. It's the very definition of selling access.
 
As long as Bob never provides revenue to Trevor then your claim remains valid, but if he does and it was influenced in any way due behavior by Google, then Google sold Bob to Trevor.

But sell is the wrong word, we established that. Bob was pimped. See Bob was still treated as a product, Google retains ownership, Trevor gets what he paid for, and Bob ends up slightly worse off then when he started.

The problem with Google isn't that they sell ad space, but how they go about it. If they made products that delivered ads, that would be one thing, but they collect user data under the pretense of providing Bob a service only to turn around and use the information to charge Bob to target him.

Twist it as much as you want, but this what they do, and this is why people dislike Google.

The one twisting and not providing any proof is you, not me. And yes, we know that some people dislike Google and when they dislike them because wrong facts and not wanting to know the right facts like you're do, that has a name
 
You obviously don't understand how the online advertising market works. I am one of those customers of Google ads and the FUD you're spreading here is just total nonsense.

I clearly do understand, and I don't like it.
 
Ok. Do explain how the customer of Google (ie the one purchasing the ads) see your data. No BS please because I purchase on Adwords every month so I know EXACTLY what "data" is available.

So please tell me how much data of yours that I get.

I clearly do understand, and I don't like it.
 
The one twisting and not providing any proof is you, not me. And yes, we know that some people dislike Google and when they dislike them because wrong facts and not wanting to know the right facts like you're do, that has a name

You keep saying to provide proof. It's their business model. Ok, um, how about any quarterly statement? The make money by building products that collect and mine user information and then use that information to sell ads. These are all facts Google admits to. They want the people using their software to feel like customers when they are actually the product. They are treating people as a product. Like what a pimp does. It's becoming less of an analogy the more we use the term.
 
You keep saying to provide proof. It's their business model. Ok, um, how about any quarterly statement? The make money by building products that collect and mine user information and then use that information to sell ads. These are all facts Google admits to. They want the people using their software to feel like customers when they are actually the product. They are treating people as a product. Like what a pimp does. It's becoming less of an analogy the more we use the term.

It's about the same way network TV has worked for years and years now. There's nothing particularly sinister or underhanded about it in concept. The only difference is that Google has access to a much more refined and specific set of data.
 
Ok. Do explain how the customer of Google (ie the one purchasing the ads) see your data. No BS please because I purchase on Adwords every month so I know EXACTLY what "data" is available.

So please tell me how much data of yours that I get.

Just because you don't get the data doesn't mean it wasn't sold to you. You get the baked version of the recipe. The compiled software instead of the source code. You get the search result instead of the contact list.

Seriously you must be screwing with me. I feel so foolish for thing you could be so ignorant. Jokes on me.

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It's about the same way network TV has worked for years and years now. There's nothing particularly sinister or underhanded about it in concept. The only difference is that Google has access to a much more refined and specific set of data.

It's how they get the refined data - under the false pretense that they are providing "free email" or a "free OS". TV networks work under anonymity. Once you can identify and target a specific user it's no longer the same thing.
 
Google understands how to come up with daydreams and ideologies that won't necessarily come to fruition, but which sound appealing, and which they hope people will believe whilst they're talking about them on stage @ I/O. Apple understand HUMANS, understand product design and manufacturing, and understand how HUMANS use and need things, and design and produce accordingly.

Remember "project butter"? What on earth was all that crap about? Back-pedalling, releasing some "project" to fix what any good company would have designed to avoid IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Daydreams ain't no good if your products are a confused mess, and your next I/O is always the next empty promise-fest.
 
Just because you don't get the data doesn't mean it wasn't sold to you. You get the baked version of the recipe. The compiled software instead of the source code. You get the search result instead of the contact list.

Seriously you must be screwing with me. I feel so foolish for thing you could be so ignorant. Jokes on me.

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It's how they get the refined data - under the false pretense that they are providing "free email" or a "free OS". TV networks work under anonymity. Once you can identify and target a specific user it's no longer the same thing.

^ THIS.

I just heard the guy say, AGAIN, "Android is an open OS... blah blah"


NO IT IS NOT. Lies are bad enough, but lying to VERY intelligent people, is moronic.

When are Google going to face facts? They're building a house [Android] upon the sand [Java]. Wake up Google, you phones are "good enough" to string people along, but your stage shows are laughable, and the following through on your high hopes of things to come, are a proven JOKE.
 
You keep saying to provide proof. It's their business model. Ok, um, how about any quarterly statement? The make money by building products that collect and mine user information and then use that information to sell ads. These are all facts Google admits to. They want the people using their software to feel like customers when they are actually the product. They are treating people as a product. Like what a pimp does. It's becoming less of an analogy the more we use the term.

Yes, this is the ****ing model, selling ad space. They don't sell information, they don't sell access to information, they don't pimp users and they don't sell any user.

It is not hard to understand, but one has to have want to understand and not just want to spread FUD

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Just because you don't get the data doesn't mean it wasn't sold to you.

The ****ing fact t that they don't get the data or any information of the users means that the data is not sold


Seriously you must be screwing with me. I feel so foolish for thing you could be so ignorant. Jokes on me.


This is sarcasm, isn't? Seriously, are you just laughing at us?

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Define "selling access" so we identify the disconnect.

I'm starting to think that you're also not an English native speaker if you can't grasp those simple definitions.
 
Ah. Ok. Lack of serious content in the answer leads me to suspect you don't really understand the process - or is it that you don't want to understand the process?

Here's how it works. I, the customer, pick a location ( a county), I then choose different areas of interest and then keywords , like software and task list, or sports/soccer boots and so on. Each country(Geo) , sector and keyword has a price (a bid price). The more you bid, the higher up the page my ad is placed when someone (ie you) searches for sports/soccer boots!

The bid price is determined by popularity of the keywords (how many times you and friends have used that search term) and the number of customers chasing that keyword.

That's it. Nothing sinister, nothing that invades privacy, nothing underhand. I don't see who put the data in or anything like that. And you know what - this is the way ALL search and advertising companies work, including Apple.

If you don't want to be part of this business then don't use a search engine. End of.


Just because you don't get the data doesn't mean it wasn't sold to you. You get the baked version of the recipe. The compiled software instead of the source code. You get the search result instead of the contact list.

Seriously you must be screwing with me. I feel so foolish for thing you could be so ignorant. Jokes on me.

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It's how they get the refined data - under the false pretense that they are providing "free email" or a "free OS". TV networks work under anonymity. Once you can identify and target a specific user it's no longer the same thing.
 
Yes, this is the ****ing model, selling ad space. They don't sell information, they don't sell access to information, they don't pimp users and they don't sell any user.

It is not hard to understand, but one has to have want to understand and not just want to spread FUD

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The ****ing fact t that they don't get the data or any information of the users means that the data is not sold




This is sarcasm, isn't? Seriously, are you just laughing at us?

What is target advertising if not information? Of course they sell access to their information. That's not even being questioned.
 
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