Go google. They are basing the idea on the three most important things about an OS. Hopefully it comes out and kicks butt. Then Apple makes theirs better to compete. Competition is awesome for everyone. Make all the OSs good and we all win.
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Nice, but I think Job's vision of a combination of local and cloud computing is the right one.
Google is too much about the cloud.
I wish Google maps was stored locally on your iPhone and not streamed everytime you want to get a map. It would be much faster and more responsive that way. They could combine that with some updates and ads from the cloud.
Google is too much about the cloud.
I wish Google maps was stored locally on your iPhone and not streamed everytime you want to get a map. It would be much faster and more responsive that way. They could combine that with some updates and ads from the cloud.
Apple sells on margin (not volume) at the Premium end of the market. Apple's products are priced like any other premium product.
Market share overall will naturally be less. But Apple's market share at the Premium end of the market is quite high. The average consumer in a higher-income bracket and/or more money to spend on tech will be looking at an Apple product.
I was in an Apple Store two days ago looking for a new iPhone case and trying out the new Macbooks. The place was absolutely packed to the rafters. These people have money to spend. And a lot of them were families trying out the iMacs. Mom goes to the iMacs with the kids while Dad tries out the Macbooks.
People tend to think of the "market" as one, single entity. It isn't. There are levels to it - a hierarchy. Picture it like a pyramid.
On a diifferent note:
(LOL, if I hear "competition is good" one more time I'll fkn leap out the window. We KNOW competition is good. Is it really necessary to mention it every time something new comes along???)
so what you want is a map which can basically show you EVERY spot on earth, every street, (tbc) stored on you iphone? that won't work the way google-maps works...sorry
Well, Google should support PowerPC Macs -- why? Because Apple is abandoning them with 10.6, and Google could breathe new life into them... Ah well, missed opportunity -- what ever happened to FAT Universal Binaries anyhow?!
I'll second that. Google is not exactly king of fit and finish. Even MS has had to step up their game in the slickness department to compete with Apple.
not to pick on you, many people have talked about this killing off linux distros I just quoted you because you just backup my point so well. This will kill NOTHING I'd venture to say a majority of linux users are paranoid. Further more (I admitadly know nothing about their plans) with all their recent concern about open source and android platform I can guess this will be no more than a linux derrivative.
I've always been interested in netbooks and this sounds like it could be great! I never bought one because they all run Windows or Linux, so maybe this OS could be great. However, I'm going to wait and see what Apple develops as far as netbooks go before buying anything.
I also have three Macs in my house (iMac 24", Mini, MBP 17") and they all display similar issues, and my retired Mini G4 did as well. Every time some of this crap occurs I go on the web to look for a solution and find plenty of users reporting the same problems, so obviously I'm not alone.
The runaway CPU usage, for example, is a known issue. If you auto-mount SMB shares on startup by adding them to the Startup Items pane, every time you boot up the fans start spinning like crazy and Activity Monitor reports 90-100% CPU usage for coreservicesd for 10-15 minutes. There are threads about it on Apple's forums (just google for "runaway coreservicesd").
Another fun issue is when the machine refuses to shut down because application X (usually Safari) is running, but when you go to the Force Quit pane it's not there, and not in Activity Monitor either. A few minutes ago I left Leopard and booted into Win7, and all the apps I quit were still shown as active in the Dock (the "glowing balls" were still there under the icons), but again, nothing in the Force Quit pane, nothing in Activity Monitor. I relaunched Finder but the dock still showed Photoshop, Messenger and Safari running even though they weren't. As for the spinning beachball, it seems to happen whenever I'm running Safari and QuickTime simultaneously. The ball will appear and nothing will work for about a minute (no force quit, no nothing except the ability to move the beachball around with the mouse). It happens every 5 minutes or so until I reboot.
I'll try to isolate the problem when I find the time, but it's probably some third party thing... Logitech Control Center, DivX, my external audio device driver... this useless princess-and-the-pea system is easy to wreck with any innocent 3rd party extension -- it was the cause of all those perpetual bluescreens reported back when Leopard was released. I suppose you need all-Apple peripherals and all-Apple software or you're on your own.
Luckily I have Boot Camp so I can use Win7 for stable computing. It's ugly to look at and the computer runs pretty hot, but I'll rather put up with that than random weirdness.
Too bad Navteq says no to that idea... At least not without paying them more money...
I think you're right about too much emphasis on the cloud, though every year that probably becomes less true as web access at high speeds becomes more and more available to more users...
My biggest concern with a Google OS, and uploading data to a cloud maintained by Google, is that I don't trust Google when it comes to privacy. In the past few years it has seemed (to me) that google has consistently caved on user privacy in the face of government (US, China, etc) pressure.
Why would Google want to support technology that was phased out over three years ago?
PowerPC is a dead-end in terms of Apple's business. It's been superseded, discontinued. There aren't enough PowerPC users out there to make it worthwhile for Google (especially in light of the crazy demand for current Macbooks.) If Apple dumped PowerPC, which is not only a small and ever-shrinking niche of Apple's business, why would Google choose go to the extra work and trouble to support them in light of the much wider PC market?
Lethal summed it up nicely
Yeah, and Chrome will take away as much share from the Mac OS as Android did from the iPhone. Essentially: Zero.
Android is such a raging success that Google decided to expand their OS dominance.
Lethal
Yeah, and Chrome will take away as much share from the Mac OS as Android did from the iPhone. Essentially: Zero.
too late
The problem for google is that by the time googleOS is consumer-ready, Apple will have already released a $500-$600 netbook/tablet/ebook reader with Mobile OSX. Not to mention that the overall netbook market will be saturated by then. It seems that every week one or two new netbooks are coming out.
The problem for google is that by the time googleOS is consumer-ready, Apple will have already released a $500-$600 netbook/tablet/ebook reader with Mobile OSX. Not to mention that the overall netbook market will be saturated by then. It seems that every week one or two new netbooks are coming out.
But from the beginning they only did search, yet you're saying they're also good at photo management, maps and mail, so how can you tell if this will be one of their hits or one of their misses? Every company has a bit of both. The Newton and Apple TV aren't exactly smash hits either, but it didn't deter Apple from trying other things.BongoBanger said:
Oh my goodness!This could be the biggest tech announcement this year!! Go Google!
Actually, Apple had a road map for doing something very similar to this about 10 years ago and it was abandoned. Probably because there wasn't any money in it.
It makes more sense at this time as the Netbook market has proven, there is a growing segment of users that only need a limited computer with a limited OS. Also, the cost of an MS OEM OS shouldn't be a significant portion of the price of a netbook.
Long gone are the days when a person would buy a PC and then go take some courses on how to operate it, update drivers, dll files, and copy data to floppy disks.
But...
Isn't it peripheral interoperability and plug-and-play-ness tha makes OSs really take off??!
I can't imagine anyones mom, no matter how simple her computing needs, jumping at the opportunity to a) learn a new OS b) hope that her iPod or zine for that matter will work with it. Will HP/Canon etc be quick with making drivers for it? Will apple make iTunes for it (I have a hard time seeing why they would... Hello, linux iTunes anyone??!?).
I like google just as much as the next guy, but I don't see this really truly competing for quite some time in the future, if ever. Most people will not want to learn something new. Those who don't mind trying will (and should) be hesitant to the idea that support will be limited for a while and they might not ever get to use their shiny iPod/iPhone/etc with it.
Color me skeptical.
Isn't it peripheral interoperability and plug-and-play-ness tha makes OSs really take off??!
I can't imagine anyones mom, no matter how simple her computing needs, jumping at the opportunity to a) learn a new OS b) hope that her iPod or zine for that matter will work with it. Will HP/Canon etc be quick with making drivers for it? Will apple make iTunes for it (I have a hard time seeing why they would... Hello, linux iTunes anyone??!?).
I like google just as much as the next guy, but I don't see this really truly competing for quite some time in the future, if ever. Most people will not want to learn something new. Those who don't mind trying will (and should) be hesitant to the idea that support will be limited for a while and they might not ever get to use their shiny iPod/iPhone/etc with it.
Color me skeptical.
Goody, Linux is aimed at a very special breed of people, (usually have long beards), who know next to nothing about aestethics or the needs or grievances of ordinary computer users. Therefore that community have systematically failed to put money where its mouth is in following up on its boistrous challenges to the established wintel norm.
Unlike them this could, and I cautiously say could, actually be the first legitimate step in ending Uncle Billy's curropting dominance of the worlds computers. The timing certainly seems to be right, people who just want something for the web are certainly open to using other OS's as long as they do what they want, like all the different handsets around. The netbook is a half breed between the two. Google could trojan horse their way into the OS field via that route until web apps are actually mature enough to challenge desktop ones, which they currently are years away from.
The suite of web apps google offers, docs, spreadsheat, gtalk, gmail all start to make more sense now, they are aiming to provide users with a full suite of things at the ready. Unfortunatly gtalk has not taken off, and docs and spreadsheat are a far cry from full fledged desktop versions. They need to lear from the losses of the Linux guys and pay attention to aestetics, looking and functioning like they do they are not going to win anyone over.
Unlike them this could, and I cautiously say could, actually be the first legitimate step in ending Uncle Billy's curropting dominance of the worlds computers. The timing certainly seems to be right, people who just want something for the web are certainly open to using other OS's as long as they do what they want, like all the different handsets around. The netbook is a half breed between the two. Google could trojan horse their way into the OS field via that route until web apps are actually mature enough to challenge desktop ones, which they currently are years away from.
The suite of web apps google offers, docs, spreadsheat, gtalk, gmail all start to make more sense now, they are aiming to provide users with a full suite of things at the ready. Unfortunatly gtalk has not taken off, and docs and spreadsheat are a far cry from full fledged desktop versions. They need to lear from the losses of the Linux guys and pay attention to aestetics, looking and functioning like they do they are not going to win anyone over.
Funny how, given the dearth of actual information about what this OS can or can't do, you get people saying "Apple needs competition"
You guys don't even know what Chome OS can do ..how are you going to compare it with OS X?
For Chrome OS to be a success it has to do about 5 major things that simply cannot be done with a full OS and web browser and I've got my doubts that ANY web technology from Google cannot be easily replicated by everyone else.
You guys don't even know what Chome OS can do ..how are you going to compare it with OS X?
For Chrome OS to be a success it has to do about 5 major things that simply cannot be done with a full OS and web browser and I've got my doubts that ANY web technology from Google cannot be easily replicated by everyone else.
When you look at a company, it is not what the company does, more importantly, it is what the company choose not to do.
A well-run company is focused and refuse to be distracted. It stick to its course. Apple under Steve Jobs is a prime example.
A well-run company often turns to a bloated company, when it takes on every project in sight. It is like throwing mud onto the wall to see what sticks. Microsoft under Steve Ballmer is the example.
A lot of successful companies go through the stages from well-run to bloated, and eventually go out of business (or close to it). Borland is the example.
Unfortunately, I think Google is following the path of Microsoft and Borland. It has way too many projects after search engine, and to make it worse, other than the search engine, the only thing it does extremely well is YouTube. All other Google offerings are me-to services with no clear advantage for the users.
Google should FOCUS on some key areas (like Android, Google Apps, Picasso) instead of shooting everywhere.
A well-run company is focused and refuse to be distracted. It stick to its course. Apple under Steve Jobs is a prime example.
A well-run company often turns to a bloated company, when it takes on every project in sight. It is like throwing mud onto the wall to see what sticks. Microsoft under Steve Ballmer is the example.
A lot of successful companies go through the stages from well-run to bloated, and eventually go out of business (or close to it). Borland is the example.
Unfortunately, I think Google is following the path of Microsoft and Borland. It has way too many projects after search engine, and to make it worse, other than the search engine, the only thing it does extremely well is YouTube. All other Google offerings are me-to services with no clear advantage for the users.
Google should FOCUS on some key areas (like Android, Google Apps, Picasso) instead of shooting everywhere.
What version of Leopard are you running? I've had these issues a few times with a Macbook but haven't since 10.5.6/10.5.7...
(I also own Hackint0sh and iMac... Hackint0sh dual-booting with XP because Vista sucked/Explorer.exe crashes and XP's just for gaming/not for surfing because of viruses... )
LOL, I wonder what's going through Ballmer's mind right about now.
First Apple grabs the top end of the market and makes Windows look like a bargain-bin clearout item, and now Google's making a run for the lower end (and maybe more.) Also, this Chrome OS seems to be aimed at entperprise/IT, too.
I don't think there are any chairs left in Seattle.
First Apple grabs the top end of the market and makes Windows look like a bargain-bin clearout item, and now Google's making a run for the lower end (and maybe more.) Also, this Chrome OS seems to be aimed at entperprise/IT, too.
I don't think there are any chairs left in Seattle.