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Better than you having been proved wrong with every comment in this particular thread. Your fail rate is outstanding.
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Better than you having been proved wrong with every comment in this particular thread. Your fail rate is outstanding.
^^ almost out of nowhere, folks on this thread are somehow now patent experts.
asking if he thinks Google would sue if someone infringes their patents, suggests i'm a patent expert? its a yes/no question.
don't be upset if i dont answer right away, i'm going to the bank to apply for a credit card cuz i really just wanna play some mp3s through iTunes...
i wasn't proven wrong at all. the fact that the Apple herd mentality overwhelms you all is fun to see.
iOS5 is just playing catchup to Android OS.
iPhone may make pretty devices, but their software is lagging far behind that of Android platform.
No native navigation application
No in-depth mapping application
No Street View
No widget support (keep tapping those grid of icons on iOS, fellas!)
No LED notification support (goes a long way for enterprise users)
As of now, still no decent notification system in place. iOS5's version looks like Android's retarded version of it.
No SD Card support (still relying on Apple's overpriced scheme of 16/32/64GB. Samsung going that route is ridiculous just as well, btw)
No replaceable battery support. No extended battery available. Many Android phones have this option.
iPhone screen small as heck now compared to its competitors. No wonder why Apple is increasing the size of it
Fully integrated voice search/voice action system in Android OS.
Rooted devices can undervolt/underclock/overclock. Rooting available normally within couple days of phone's release. Its great that the option is there for Android phones.
Unique App Stores coexisting under one platform (Amazon App Store + Android Marketplace). Innovative and ingenious on Amazon's part.
LOL seriously? Here's a refresher from my earlier post on some of the things you were wrong about in this thread, there's far more but we'd be here all day...what a joke you are
1) claimed iTunes can not just play music, that you have to purchase music
2) claimed a credit card is required to even use iTunes at all
3) claimed iTunes requires an iDevice
4) claimed that no other device has EVER had two app stores, and when presented with the Apple appstore and cydia he claimed "nuh uh that doesn't count!"
5) claimed that lowering prices is an innovation, but when asked if a whole new notification system in ios5 is an innovation he said "we'll see"
6) he said without an iDevice, the only thing you can do is play 30 second clips and movie trailers on iTunes
7) when asked if non-Android devices can sync with the Android market, he expanded the question to mean "can non-android devices sync with a duplicate android marketplace that a third party creates"
8) thought Android 1.6 was released 3-4 years before iPhone introduced multitasking in ios4
but you haven't been "proven wrong at all", right?
LOL seriously? Here's a refresher from my earlier post on some of the things you were wrong about in this thread, there's far more but we'd be here all day...what a joke you are
1) claimed iTunes can not just play music, that you have to purchase music
2) claimed a credit card is required to even use iTunes at all
3) claimed iTunes requires an iDevice
4) claimed that no other device has EVER had two app stores, and when presented with the Apple appstore and cydia he claimed "nuh uh that doesn't count!"
5) claimed that lowering prices is an innovation, but when asked if a whole new notification system in ios5 is an innovation he said "we'll see"
6) he said without an iDevice, the only thing you can do is play 30 second clips and movie trailers on iTunes
7) when asked if non-Android devices can sync with the Android market, he expanded the question to mean "can non-android devices sync with a duplicate android marketplace that a third party creates"
8) thought Android 1.6 was released 3-4 years before iPhone introduced multitasking in ios4
but you haven't been "proven wrong at all", right?
1) it plays music, but what, 30 second clips? ok, if thats what you call music. Platforms like Spotify allows playing music in its entirety without having to purchase. Learn to go outside the walled garden of Apple ecosystem please. You'll learn a thing or two kiddo.
2) iTunes DID require a credit card at one point, even when you wanted to purchase free apps. The ToS changed, hence why I added that clarification. BTW, if you want to activate iPhone, you still need a PC to activate it. POST PC world my butt. I'd consider the iPhone itself a PC anywho, but we'll talk semantics later.
3) Never did i say it 'required' an iDevice. I stated that in order to get full functionality of iTunes, you would need an iDevice. Big difference. Again, you lack nuance. Quick to judge tsk tsk
4) Theres a difference between legitimate applications, and homebrew apps a la cydia. In that case, WinMo was the first, if you want to see it that way. Android OS is still the first mobile OS to allow multiple app stores coexisting under one platform in a lawful, legal manner. So far I've dispelled all of your statements thus far. I'll continue.
5) A new, legitimate, Google sanctioned App Store from Amazon that offers cheaper prices than original App Store is without a doubt, ingenious, and innovative. No other legitimate company has done this, outside of carriers. You're talking about illegitimate, non-sanctioned applications. Sorry, not the same, at all. And anywho, WinMo beats out Android/iOS as they had their own homebrew apps years before
6) you're essentially limited to your desktop using iTunes. Not being able to sync to your iTunes, you're missing out on a good chuck of the functionality of iTunes
7) what gives if it syncs to the actual market place or not. the point is that so far, the blackberry playbook, a non-android device, can sync and download android apps, even if its not an android device itself.
8) yeah, my mistake, as Android 1.0 had multitasking in place, which was reelased, what, 2008? when did iPhone get multitasking? 2010? Thats 3 years. So yeah, my mistake i said 1.6, when it was really 1.0. Thanks for clarifying.
have fun with a non-innovative OS. all iOS is doing is playing catch up, and have resorted to lawsuits to get a piece of the Android pie. Sorry that iOS doesn't do 550k activations a day like Android OS.
iPhone hardware might look pretty, but their OS is very limited in scope, which is my main gripe.
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1) it plays music, but what, 30 second clips? ok, if thats what you call music. Platforms like Spotify allows playing music in its entirety without having to purchase. Learn to go outside the walled garden of Apple ecosystem please. You'll learn a thing or two kiddo.
2) iTunes DID require a credit card at one point, even when you wanted to purchase free apps. The ToS changed, hence why I added that clarification. BTW, if you want to activate iPhone, you still need a PC to activate it. POST PC world my butt. I'd consider the iPhone itself a PC anywho, but we'll talk semantics later.
3) Never did i say it 'required' an iDevice. I stated that in order to get full functionality of iTunes, you would need an iDevice. Big difference. Again, you lack nuance. Quick to judge tsk tsk
4) Theres a difference between legitimate applications, and homebrew apps a la cydia. In that case, WinMo was the first, if you want to see it that way. Android OS is still the first mobile OS to allow multiple app stores coexisting under one platform in a lawful, legal manner. So far I've dispelled all of your statements thus far. I'll continue.
5) A new, legitimate, Google sanctioned App Store from Amazon that offers cheaper prices than original App Store is without a doubt, ingenious, and innovative. No other legitimate company has done this, outside of carriers. You're talking about illegitimate, non-sanctioned applications. Sorry, not the same, at all. And anywho, WinMo beats out Android/iOS as they had their own homebrew apps years before
6) you're essentially limited to your desktop using iTunes. Not being able to sync to your iTunes, you're missing out on a good chuck of the functionality of iTunes
7) what gives if it syncs to the actual market place or not. the point is that so far, the blackberry playbook, a non-android device, can sync and download android apps, even if its not an android device itself.
8) yeah, my mistake, as Android 1.0 had multitasking in place, which was reelased, what, 2008? when did iPhone get multitasking? 2010? Thats 3 years. So yeah, my mistake i said 1.6, when it was really 1.0. Thanks for clarifying.
have fun with a non-innovative OS. all iOS is doing is playing catch up, and have resorted to lawsuits to get a piece of the Android pie. Sorry that iOS doesn't do 550k activations a day like Android OS.
iPhone hardware might look pretty, but their OS is very limited in scope, which is my main gripe.
its becoming increasingly evident that you're reaching...
1) For the what is it 400th time? you can play full mp3s on iTunes....what part of this can't you comprehend? it's a media player. just like windows media player. you can import your media files and play them in itunes. i have no clue where you're getting this "30 second clip" crap from but then again I shouldn't be surprised because you've made it quite clear you have no idea what you're talking about...second, you act as if spotify is an android only innovation. there's a spotify app for iphone waiting to be approved, and it will be approved. So...what is your point? Great, you have spotify...iphone will have it too...
2) Thanks for admitting you were wrong
3) And to get the full functionality of the Android Market you need an android device...what's your point? To get full functionality of my PC I need a monitor too
4) Let's look at the progression of your silly argument here. First, it was "NAME ONE DEVICE THAT HAD MULTIPLE APP STORES!!!!", when people pointed out cydia and the apple app store it become "NAME ONE DEVICE THAT HAS MULTIPLE OFFICIAL APP STORES!!!!!!", when people stated that the amazon app store is hardly official since it's not endorsed by google, the apk is not created by google, and it's not available on the Android market, it became "NAME ONE DEVICE THAT HAD LEGITIMATE, LEGAL MULTIPLE APP STORES!!!!!!!" What you're next argument gonna be?
5) What makes the Amazon appstore "official"? How is it Google sanctioned? Can you show me where Google has endorsed the Amazon appstore?
6) You won't be limited when ios5 comes out. Innovation, right?
7) So you're admitting that no non-android device can sync with Google's Android Market, right? cool.
8) Thank you for admitting you were wrong...again.
Oh and you can vote this down now...LOL, silly fandroids.
calm down broski. lets not resort to caps lock. thats internet etiquette 101.
1) and from whence did you get those 'mp3's' ? probably in an illegal manner? You're not able to download every song on iTunes for free. Theres a cost to it, which was my point, whereas Spotify, you don't have to purchase said music to listen to it on your desktop. You'll never get what i'm saying, as you seem too dense to comprehend.
2) I was never wrong, as much as you try to go for the win/lose debate, as I stated initially that the ToS may have changed. You seemed to have dismissed that important qualifier in my statement. At one point, iTunes did require a credit card to purchase free apps. Heck, iPhone requires a PC to activate it. Some Post PC world we live in eh?
3) Terrible analogy. There isn't just 'one' Android Marketplace. There doesn't need to be. I love the fact that Android plays nice with Amazon, a 3rd party entity that is selling Android apps for a cheaper price, and giving away premium apps for free. That is innovation, son.
4) Caps lock fail? I think so. Sorry to bust your bubbles, but cydia/apple app store wasn't the first simultaneous app store in existence it was WinMo. Secondly, WinMo ecosystem had underground app markets way before iOS was even born. Whats apple fankids' obsession over 'whose first.' Such a naive, elementary, and trivial way of thought.
1) So now you're suggesting that Google has some way to obtain full mp3s legally without purchase? If you're downloading, saving and playing full mp3s through the Android market without paying, you do realize that that would be illegal, too right? Also, nice job of ignoring the fact that spotify is going to go to the iPhone...your point is moot: "We have this"..."ok, we have it too"..."oh yeah?? Well we have it!!"
2) Your initial argument was "iTunes requires a credit card" correct? Did you qualify your initial argument? Were you wrong?
3) There is only one official Google endorsed Android Market. If you're now trying to suggest that every third party market is officially endorsed and released by Google, your a bigger fool then I ever could have comprehended.
4) Who's talking about first? Oh that's right you were...guess it's not just "apple fankids" who obsess over who's first, huh? Fandroids like yourself seem to be doing that too. But thanks for changing your argument again...now it's "NAME THE FIRST DEVICE THAT HAD MULTIPLE, LEGAL, LEGITIMATE APP STORES"...care to try a fifth time?
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Again, please stop with the caps lock.
Why are you comparing iTunes to Google? I sure haven't. My original claim was that iTunes, although its a free application, the full functionality of it requires an iDevice, namely the syncing feature, therefore, not entirely free.
Thing is, you're the one comparing iTunes to Google Music. I never have. That was never my point. This is what happens when folks jump on threads they haven't fully read, or read from the beginning.
No, not even close to wrong, as I stated that in the past, the ToS was that iTunes did require a credit card, and that is a fact. It doesn't know, but it did in the past. You fail at reading comprehension.
Android Marketplace is not the only official marketplace. Amazon is another officially endorsed app. Why? Because they're allowing it on their platform. Android/Google can easily take it down, as they have with certain applications in the past, like emulators for instance. But they aren't. They're playing nice with Amazon, which I commend them for. Innovation/collaboration at its finest.
Get a grip kid. Don't be upset at the fact that Amazon offers free premium apps every day to Android users. Don't be jealy at the fact that multiple marketplaces can co-exist along side Android platform, a 'first' since you're so obsessed with being first.
I'm not comparing iTunes to Google Music at all...not sure where you got that from, but it's most probably reaching like you constantly do. I didn't mention Google Music ever in any of my posts. My point is you're saying iTunes is not really free because you need an iDevice to get the "full functionailty" of it, and the same goes for the Android Market. You need an Android phone to use the Android market. You haven't done anything to disprove that except to say stupid things like "son" and "kiddo" and "jealy" and "broski" (what are you, 12?)
So, your initial argument that itunes requires a cc, without a qualifier, was nowhere close to wrong? ...sigh...fandroids...
LOL...maybe you missed my question. Show me where Google endorses the Amazon Marketplace? Allowing Amazon to have a marketplace on their platform means they're endorsing it? Hmmm, wow Google must also endorse thousands of farting apps, and Sexy Japanese screaming women apps. Hey, buddy can you tell me which one you think is the best sexy screaming woman app? Umm...I only want the official Google sanctioned ones if you don't mind, thanks! Methinks you're not aware of the definition for official. You seem to be good at looking definitions up though, so feel free to look that one up.
Oh and here's the third time I'm mentioning that Spotify is not an android innovation. You can ignore it this time too...
What are you talking about? You cannot download it from the Android Market, you have to go through a series of steps to install the Amazon App Store. This involves allowing applications to be installed from "unknown sources" (aka not the Android Market). The only way for Google to block this is to not allow the user the option at all (ala Apple) but that definitely isn't any sort of endorsing it.
a series of steps meaning, checking 'unknown source' then going to URL: https://www.amazon.com/app-email
Google can without a doubt, block their app from being installed on their platform. Thats no question. Google has already blocked apps at the behest of Sony, namely emulators. Theres no reason as to why they wouldn't block it if they had the choice.
Additionally, Amazon App Store is a big hit with consumers. Premium paid apps for free. Now that, is a compelling feature. Innovative too.
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emulators were on the official android market and infringed on commercial products. The only way Google would/could block the app store is removing "unknown sources" from the android source, or the carrier themselves disallowing it like ATT used to do. Again...you have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean you can stop all this back and forth simply by showing an example of where Google endorsed the Amazon App Store right? You seem to be a good internet researcher so why don't you find that?
Hilarious that something existing is akin to an endorsement or being official. I guess google choice to release Gmail, Gtalk, Maps, Voice and all their other products with their official company name in the official Android Market, but decided to play a little joke and put their other official, endorsed Amazon Market apk outside of the official source, huh?
LOL @ the two fandroids who keep voting down posts...it's like they think they've achieved some sort of victory when they do that...
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yeah, i'd have to get on Apple's App Store to get those apps you're referring to. Did you know the creator of the Farting app on iPhone is currently head of the app approval process? I find that to be a joke.
Never said that it was an Android innovation. I merely mentioned it to provide an instance where songs can be heard free in its entirety. Seems like you don't know how Spotify works. You search for a song, and instead of getting a 30 second sound byte of it, you hear the entire song. Can't do this with iTunes, just previews. Not talking about your own personal mp3 collection being heard on iTunes.
Its hilarious that you keep trying to correct me, only to find yourself running around in circles. I'm lovin this haha
120% wrong. Google banned those apps from within the Android Marketplace. And you're a proud owner of all the Android devices you listed and don't even know that? It has nothing to do with 'unknown sources' as it was within the confines of Android Marketplace that the apps were banned. Yes, unknown sources exist within Android Marketplace, and they banned those apps, at the behest of other 3rd parties.
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Just did a search for fart on the Android market...https://market.android.com/search?q=fart almost 1,000 results...since they all seem to be official and endorsed by Google, can you give me some feedback on which you think is best? Thanks, pal!
And you seem to not understand that Spotify is going to be on the iPhone when it's approved. So, I'll ask again what is your point? If it's not an android innovation, and iPhone is going to have it too, what's the point of bringing spotify up? It's just a question, "broski".
You're getting too excited. Read what I wrote again....slowly. The emulators were banned from the marketplace...which is what I said. If Google wanted to ban Amazon's App Store, which is not available on the Android Market, they would have to remove "unknown sources" or the carriers would have to disallow it. You are...wrong...again.
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Traditionally, the only people that block the installation of thirt party apps is the carriers/networks. Google have never blocked the installation of applications from outside the Android Market in their Nexus phones, nor in the core OS but this does not mean that they endorse the Amazon AppStore.
The Kongregete Flash games application was pulled from the Android Market originally as it downloaded the flash applets to the phone itself (which meant it was acting like an app store as such) which was against the terms of Android Market. This was modified to work within the boundaries of the Market and is now allowed.
If Google themselves went out of their way to block things like SlideMe, GetJar and Amazon AppStore then I would think the backlash would be severe.
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Traditionally, the only people that block the installation of thirt party apps is the carriers/networks. Google have never blocked the installation of applications from outside the Android Market in their Nexus phones, nor in the core OS but this does not mean that they endorse the Amazon AppStore.
The Kongregete Flash games application was pulled from the Android Market originally as it downloaded the flash applets to the phone itself (which meant it was acting like an app store as such) which was against the terms of Android Market. This was modified to work within the boundaries of the Market and is now allowed.
If Google themselves went out of their way to block things like SlideMe, GetJar and Amazon AppStore then I would think the backlash would be severe.
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hey kiddo, do a search on whose running the app approval process on the App Store. its the same author as the Farting app. Awesome! You keep failing at the original reason as to why I am even discussing iTunes. Someone made a claim that iTunes was all free. I simply made a clarification that, although the software is free, some features of the iTunes app requires an iDevice, therefore, the entire program isn't entirely free as some features require a tethered iDevice.
Or they could just ban the app, whether its from an unknown source or not. Now this kid thinks he knows the entire process of how apps will run on Android platform or not. Even I don't go that far. Bravo kid, bravo. Not only are you a patent expert, but you also seem to know exactly how apps are approved/banned on Android.
Yes, let's all remember our Internet etiquette. Oh wait:
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Internet etiquette is about debating points without resorting to personal insult. The point of not typing in caps lock is that it gives the impression of anger. Meanwhile you yourself are belittling and personally attacking someone over nothing more than a stupid Internet argument. I hope the irony is apparent here.
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it goes both ways. just sayin. not even close to angry. i enjoy tech related discussions. otherwise i wouldn't be in here.
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Why are you saying this? Google have zero control of non marketplace apps. No killswitch, no banning, no ability to deny the installation of a third party apk file.
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Why are you saying this? Google have zero control of non marketplace apps. No killswitch, no banning, no ability to deny the installation of a third party apk file.
Why are you deflecting the subject and bringing up the fart app and ios approval process? Are you just randomly saying things?
Ok, iTunes is not all free. What's your point? Did you just feel like stating another random fact? Ok...we get it.
Here's another internet research assignment for you (which we all know you won't do). Find me one example of an app that wasn't available on the official Android Market that Google has blocked? You are now suggesting that if Google wanted to block the Amazon App Store, they can somehow block everyone who owns an android device from installing an apk, without disabling the unknown sources dialog?
Now...just to remind you, since you forget easily:
1) Find me where Google has officially endorsed the Amazon App Market
2) Find me where Google has blocked an app that was never available on the Official Android Market
I'll wait.
That's the first step. If you say this about 20 more times, you'll start looking less like a fandroid.
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It's one of the joys (and pains) of the open platform. Android and iOS are completely different beasts when it comes to application distribution.
Google do have control over Market apps (remote wipe/uninstallation/DRM/authentication) but anything you create yourself or install externally is beyond their control (unless it was ripped from the Market and does feature Google authentication/DRM).
The lack of central control is the reason why the malware situations are different for each platform and if Google could remote kill third party apps, the malware situation would be completely within Google's control.
I'm capable and honest enough to support developers so the risk of me coming across anything bad is minimised and paradoxically, it's Googles lack of total control that makes me prefer the platform
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It's one of the joys (and pains) of the open platform. Android and iOS are completely different beasts when it comes to application distribution.
Google do have control over Market apps (remote wipe/uninstallation/DRM/authentication) but anything you create yourself or install externally is beyond their control (unless it was ripped from the Market and does feature Google authentication/DRM).
The lack of central control is the reason why the malware situations are different for each platform and if Google could remote kill third party apps, the malware situation would be completely within Google's control.
I'm capable and honest enough to support developers so the risk of me coming across anything bad is minimised and paradoxically, it's Googles lack of total control that makes me prefer the platform