Google Claims a 'Hostile, Organized Campaign Against Android'

[macUser2007]

Apple has become a major Patent Troll

Yep, Apple has become a major Patent Troll.

Apple basically throws everything at the Patent Office, to see if anything sticks. Then goes on to threaten anyone who tries to compete with its products.

Google can withstand such an assault, but smaller companies cannot.

At the end, innovation and competition will suffer, and the end users are the losers.

 

[hayhay]

wahhh

wahhh wahhh wahhh...big babies...we didn't win the bid and that's not fair...wahhh wahhh...they are picking on us...wahhh wahhh. You bid, you lost, get over it.

 

[Frobozz]

I'll list just three that Google offered to the end user that was free
- Gmail (the first to offer large storage space for email accounts. If it weren't for Google, you'd be paying monthly fees on crappy hotmail/yahoo mail)
- Google Maps (it made MapQuest look like childs play. Oh, and free Navigation application, along with traffic intelligence. Thanks Google! Didn't have to pay a dime for that! On iOS you have to pay for a 3rd party app that kills your battery life!)
- Google Music (Apple is making you pay for your storage, Google offers free storage)

None of that is free. Your usage and personal information is mined and sold as a way to sell ads. That's the trade-off. Google's entire business model is based on that premise.

 

[aohus]

Those apps are NOT free. Who I talk to, who emails me, where I go, what I listen to, that is MY business and is not for sale. THAT is the price you pay for using Google's services and in my opinion is more valuable than the miniscule price Apple charges for their LOCAL stored applications.

that made no sense whatsoever. those apps are all free. there is no physical currency you're dishing out to Google for this. You're paying them through the ads that are shown on Gmail (which you probably hardly see, because they're so small anyways)

anybody else willing to see what Apple offers to its consumers for free that is actually productivity driven?

None of that is free. Your usage and personal information is mined and sold as a way to sell ads. That's the trade-off. Google's entire business model is based on that premise.

thats still free. you're not dishing out physical currency (dollars) to use those services, unlike email services of the past where you had to pay based on how much email storage you wanted, for example.

 

[fertilized-egg]

Let's see. You release a platform that free (or least close to it) because is aimed to commoditize the whole mobile OS market for the benefit of your ad business and (realistically speaking) have all the mobile devices under a strong influence of Google.

And you expected guys like Apple and, especially, Microsoft would welcome you?

that made no sense whatsoever. those apps are all free. there is no physical currency you're dishing out to Google for this. You're paying them through the ads that are shown on Gmail (which you probably hardly see, because they're so small anyways)

It's free because Google's #1 goal is to make you use it and sell your information to the advertisers while data mining the efficiency of the ads in relation to your profile.

 

[inkswamp]

Google's new theme song.

http://youtu.be/ZD6bQ3DQSLA

"Paranoia, they destroy ya!"

 

[aohus]

i find it truly amazing how ignorant Apple fanboys are.

I differentiate between an Apple enthusiast, and Apple fanboy, btw.

all of this patent trolling done by companies, including Apple/Google is only stifling innovation.

Its sad to see that Apple has turned this route, as I respected them dearly with their early innovations with the iPhone. Now its just Apple patent trolling...

 

[Frobozz]

Yep, Apple has become a major Patent Troll.

Apple basically throws everything at the Patent Office, to see if anything sticks. Then goes on to threaten anyone who tries to compete with its products.

Google can withstand such an assault, but smaller companies cannot.

At the end, innovation and competition will suffer, and the end users are the losers.

Apple is acting like an Alpha. They're trying to exploit the current system as well as any company can. It's the way the world works right now, no matter how sad that is.

I agree that the consortium should have spent that $4.5B on lobbying and speech to solve patent reform at the government level. It would be a rare reason why the Citizen's United decision could actually be used for good instead of pure ef'ing evil. But, alas, Corporations will actually only look after themselves. If it improves market share or profits, which are their only reason to exist, they will do that. Apple and Google are exactly the same in this regard.

 

[PatrickCocoa]

Translation

Buying patents to incorporate the technology into your own products sounds legitimate. Buying patents to use to litigate against your competitors and try to squeeze them out is idiotic (that its legal, not that companies try to do it). If the original owner did not pursue infringement claims, the buyers should not be able to either.

Translation: I don't know what a secondary market is.

 

[nwcs]

When a company is 'patent trolling,' its an admittance of defeat, fear, and anti-innovative. The entire tech blogosphere LOATHES the patent system here in the U.S.

Just because people on tech blogs "loathe" the patent system it does NOT follow that the patent system is wrong. In fact, it probably points out a severe deficiency in understanding what the patent system is all about.

 

[glossywhite]

Anyone for a quick round of 'OS vs OS' wars? It'll pass some time!

Moronic, this OS world.

 

[DefiantSoul]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/9A5274d)

I think it's funny that they claim other companies use litigation instead of improvement and innovation. Not only is Andriod just awful to use, but iOS 5 destroys any small advantage it had. Not to mention that Apple invented the markets their competing in.

 

[Kevlar]

i find it truly amazing how ignorant Apple fanboys are.

I differentiate between an Apple enthusiast, and Apple fanboy, btw.

all of this patent trolling done by companies, including Apple/Google is only stifling innovation.

Its sad to see that Apple has turned this route, as I respected them dearly with their early innovations with the iPhone. Now its just Apple patent trolling...

It's a problem with the system. If you don't get control of the patents first, then someone will be targeting you in the near future.

Most of what has come out of these patent suits are cross licensing and limited $$ transferred from one company to another. Really the biggest winners out of this is lawyers and who sells the patents.

With apple they control both hardware and software, so they focus on both ends and use one set of patents to cross licence the other end. With someone like google they only care about software but don't want their hardware suppliers to have increased costs and move away from their platforms. It's the system that is in place, and if you aren't the first to get control or have more control then your competitors, you are going to be screwed (which is what google is mad at).

 

[PlipPlop]

Google are right, all the other phone companies are scared about the massive sales of Android devices. Over 550k new phones a day is insane.

 

[Frobozz]

thats still free. you're not dishing out physical currency (dollars) to use those services, unlike email services of the past where you had to pay based on how much email storage you wanted, for example.

Correct. "Free," as in you don't have to pay money. You pay by giving them access to your behavior to sell advertising and other services. Their balance books reflect this value.

 

[Zaim2]

Say what you like about Google, but they do have a history of lobbying against patent reform: http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2008/12/polaris-v-google-discovery-spat.html

 

[Pink∆Floyd]

Google needs to suck it up

They lost and it's time to move ahead, simple as that

 

[Frobozz]

Translation: I don't know what a secondary market is.

Translation: Consumers pay more money for products because nobody should ever have to understand the secondary market for patents. ;-)

 

[BaldiMac]

i find it truly amazing how ignorant Apple fanboys are.

I differentiate between an Apple enthusiast, and Apple fanboy, btw.

all of this patent trolling done by companies, including Apple/Google is only stifling innovation.

Its sad to see that Apple has turned this route, as I respected them dearly with their early innovations with the iPhone. Now its just Apple patent trolling...

It's also amazing that you would accuse others of ignorance and then make over generalized statements about the patent system that show an ignorance of the benefits of the system.

 

[MacMan67]

I whole-heartedly agree with this statement. Somethings gotta give.

Hmm do you not remember when Microsoft sunk 150 million on Apple back in the 80's.... Gates and Jobs competed , they never hated each other.... and well I think RIM just needed to belong....

 

[a.gomez]

Let's assume for a minute that you're a professional artist. You create a very nice painting. I take a picture of it and start selling postcards with your painting on the back.

Would you show me some "consideration" and not sue me?

no, I disagree with the assumption...

It would be I create a painting and you see it and makes one in the same style (the idea that I created that style 100% is a myth I come to believe) but you sell it so anyone can use it or anyone can interpret it on their own and sell their version (that all those versions are trash is yet another myth I wish to believe) I try to say that I own the brush stroke on the left hand corner (yes - true - unique to me) so the entire painting is invalid (total nonsense in my part)

to make sure I have a back up plan - I try t buy the guy who did the nail to the frame on your painting so that I can go after you and any other painter for using my now owned nail design.

in the end I wont win - the frame guy will use "liquid Nail" (great product) and the stroke on the left had corner will change to a square by yet another painter... and a circle by a designer... and a toilet by some crazy kid in Union Square... and so on.

I wont be able to control that - in the end that is a good thing.

 

[a.gomez]

I differentiate between an Apple enthusiast, and Apple fanboy, btw.

agree 100%

 

[MacMan67]

um, last I checked, Android OS has a lot more innovation going on than iOS by a clear margin. iOS is just starting to get notification implementation. LOL

they're also just starting to make LED notifications on the new iPhone. Thats like 3-4 years too late there Apple.

And btw, the Google Labs were shut down because it was hardly used, and Google is focusing on their core products. You make it seem as though Google Labs were an actual scientific research facility working on top secret skunkworks projects. LOL


Google offers a LOT of productivity driven products, for FREE.

Let me ask all you Apple fankids out there, what did you get from Apple that was 'productivity driven' that was 'free.'

I'll list just three that Google offered to the end user that was free
- Gmail (the first to offer large storage space for email accounts. If it weren't for Google, you'd be paying monthly fees on crappy hotmail/yahoo mail)
- Google Maps (it made MapQuest look like childs play. Oh, and free Navigation application, along with traffic intelligence. Thanks Google! Didn't have to pay a dime for that! On iOS you have to pay for a 3rd party app that kills your battery life!)
- Google Music (Apple is making you pay for your storage, Google offers free storage)

That the heck are you talking about, yes they are free of cost, but you give up your privacy as a trade off. If you don't believe me, go check out the little AdMob flash cookie stored in your computer, that deleting cookies don't erase. I am sorry, I don't want google knowing what I click and when I click it. You are paying a price my friend, just not with your wallet.

 

[ivladster]

Lately

Something is weird happening at Google lately, it's like you want to love them and hate them at the same time. I saw a commercial on TV where Google CEO was talking about Mercedes cars and how they have the software to stop themselves. Then he called it "magical," I loled a little.

 

[glossywhite]

More to life than computers, and certainly more to life than arguing and mass debate over mobile OS'. Time to do something else, instead?

Really, who gives a ####?