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Google created RCS because Apple wasn’t going to give away the keys to the kingdom with iMessage. Google can skim data out of RCS, but iMessage is 2-way encrypted. WhatsApp is owned by Facebook, who is also skimming data. Signal is the only third party platform I know with guaranteed 2-way encryption.

Apple doesn’t want to hand over its customer base as another thing for Google to monetize and Google is foaming at the mouth about it. These publicity stunts are them trying to generate public outcry for a problem that only exists for Google’s portfolio.
It is called end-to-end encryption (E2EE), and Signal is not the only one with E2EE. WhatsApp technically uses E2EE with the Signal Protocol, but everyone knows it still leaks.
 
Isn't it true that sales of Pixel phones have been lower with every succeeding generation? I thought I read that somewhere.
No?
Not that these numbers are overly impressive.
 
Apple rarely-to-never mentions Google/Samsung yet the latter mention Apple all the time.

Sad. Just sad. I don't know what MBA thought this was a strategy but damn.
 
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Apple isn’t always first, but their implementation is usually best. The didn’t have first MP3 player, didn’t have the first smartphone, didn’t have the first smartwatch, didn’t have the first wireless earbuds. But when they did have them, they were best in class and then the first movers all pivoted to follow Apple.
There are two sides to that coin.

Quite often I'd rather have the ability to do something that isn't too polished, (MMS), than not at all.
Late to the game can sometimes be as bad as not turning up at all.
 
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Both Apple and Google have reached the technological height their mobile OS’s can muster at the time. There is no more innovation until either of them announced the next step…

I often wonder if we will have another moment like Steve had when he introduced the iPhone, from either company.
It’s going to take significant advancements in material science, or some alternate shift away from smartphones altogether to be as game-changing as when the original iPhone was announced. I think it’s possible that AR based glasses could be the thing that takes us to the next level, but there will be pushback on suggesting you need to wear glasses, while also carrying your phone and likely having to wear some sort of headset as well.
 
Apple isn’t always first, but their implementation is usually sometimes best. The didn’t have first MP3 player, didn’t have the first smartphone, didn’t have the first smartwatch, didn’t have the first wireless earbuds. But when they did have them, they were best in class and then the first movers all pivoted to follow Apple.
Fixed for you. It's hit or miss for Apple, and that goes for other companies as well. Then again, 'best' is subjective.. I can argue Apple wasn't the best at things you listed above. But Apple was really good at marketing.
 
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Can someone explain Apple’s resistance to RCS messaging protocol? What are Apple getting from not adopting it? More people switching to iPhones because of iMessage? If so, iMessage is underused here in Europe as most people continue using WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, etc. instead, all of which are cross-platform.
You know, at this point, it is an interesting question. The "understood" reason is that Apple thinks iMessage draws and keeps users on iPhone, but I don't think that is really valid for the most part (people come to iPhone and stay here for other reasons most of the time).

What is valid though is Google's flavor of RCS (every provider had their own incompatible version of RCS for many, many years as its very old) is not universal and their E2E encryption is not part of their RCS standard but something their app layers on top - the point here, can you see this would probably be a PITA to implement and have it work all the time in iMessage for Apple?

And if people weren't getting it to work at the moment it would just be a headache for Apple to have to deal with with a bunch of possible causes for whatever the problem might be. On top of the fact this all happened because Google execs dropped their most popular messaging app (Hangouts - which mixed SMS with their chat, like iMessage does) out of Android back in the mid 2010's - because their execs don't hold the company to strategic long term paths beyond search / sales $$$ and promotions there are based on getting new products up and running (not keeping them or continuing them).
 
Which is why you find in some tech circles Apple is referred to as a 'copier' of tech rather than an 'innovator' of tech.

Edit: I see with the downvotes there are a lot of grumpy Apple fans. Truth hurts doesn't it and yes I am a long time Apple user.
Downvotes? There ain't no downvotes on MacRumors.

Oh wait, I guess it a Like-Disagree. I didn't even know that was there. :p
 
I am always wary of companies talking down their competitors.

It's almost as if they have to take a 'pop' at their competitors to make their own product sound better. Feels they are trying to justify themselves.

Competition is good to push boundaries of innovation, talking about competitors is not so good..
Totally agree.
Mentioning your competition smells a bit of desperatation. If a company truly believes in their offering, they’ll speak only of their offering. Anything different sows subconscious seeds of doubt. Fracturing the foundation. Eventually leading to more serious issues.
 
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It is called end-to-end encryption (E2EE), and Signal is not the only one with E2EE. WhatsApp technically uses E2EE with the Signal Protocol, but everyone knows it still leaks.
I am glad you also know what it is called, I post in layman here. This is something everyone needs to know about in whatever verbiage is necessary to get it disseminated. I’ll make sure to leave an untranslated version for people like you.😏
 
Don't rush to defend Apple. Can't deny that Google has a point.

And our beloved Apple is turning into a marketing company under our watch.
Google's point is to throw out red herrings like this so that people ignore the truth that their phone is not the product. YOU are the product. Every interaction you have with their devices will be tracked, analyzed, stored (indefinitely) and commoditized to maximize Google's profit. They could make Google handsets hover weightlessly in the air in front of me and it still would pale in comparison to the value proposition of an iPhone.
 
Google created RCS because Apple wasn’t going to give away the keys to the kingdom with iMessage. Google can skim data out of RCS, but iMessage is 2-way encrypted. WhatsApp is owned by Facebook, who is also skimming data. Signal is the only third party platform I know with guaranteed 2-way encryption.

Apple doesn’t want to hand over its customer base as another thing for Google to monetize and Google is foaming at the mouth about it. These publicity stunts are them trying to generate public outcry for a problem that only exists for Google’s portfolio.

Thank you, much clearer now.
 
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I am always wary of companies talking down their competitors.

It's almost as if they have to take a 'pop' at their competitors to make their own product sound better. Feels they are trying to justify themselves.

Competition is good to push boundaries of innovation, talking about competitors is not so good..

It sure does show a lack in confidence in their own products.
 
It’s so easy to claim you’re “innovating” when you’ve sold fewer Pixel devices to date than the iPhone sells in a week.
I don't think it'd take close to a week of iPhone sales to beat Pixel's all time sales. Maybe a few days, at most.
 
Siri used to be a lot worse until Apple hired away some of Google's talent. Noticed Apple recent events have included a lot of 'AI' and 'machine learning' buzzwords like Google's.

 
One of the biggest points of tension between Apple and Google is Apple's refusal to adopt RCS messaging support, the latest and increasingly more common standard for messaging.
It’s increasingly more common for Android messaging. Just like WhatsApp is increasingly more common for WhatsApp messaging. :) Anyway, Google has an app for iOS, but it doesn’t support RCS. Bound to be another Boongoogle!
 
Mentioning competitors by name — even in an attempt to dress them down — is always free advertising. I'd love it if I were Apple.
 
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lol this back and forth is all but useless at this point......smartphone adoption/saturation has reached something of a peak and pretty much everyone who has one is well ensconced into either camp (Google or Android). People do switch yes, but the overall numbers are inconsequential and if one has already been a user of one or the other for a while, the chances of them switching platforms is also inconsequential.
 
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