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Google Claims Apple Follows Its Lead in Smartphone Innovation: 'We Take It As a Compliment'
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I’m an Apple user. I’m asking Apple to implement RCS. It’s so simple: I don’t want unencrypted SMSs, I want private encrypted RCSs. Come on Apple, don’t pretend like you need democratic consumer permission to improve cross-platform security.
Google…. I keep getting IT asking me if I have Chrome installed when I report something as broken. If it does not work in Safari or Firefox it is broken. My retort back to IT is why would I voluntarily install spyware. They have been caught red handed spying on their marketing data points product users so many times it is no longer even funny.
“Don’t be Evil” went out the window at google long before they abandoned it in 2015, much like they abandon most of their products.
The only thing people are saying about their new watch is “did you see the size of that bezel? 😀😄😂🤣”
RCS is a solution to a problem that does not exist, the telcos drove people to other messaging platforms all by themselves with text messaging fees. So the free market solved the issue, unfortunately Whatsapp got bought by Facebook (dodged that bullet by never installing Whatsapp). It looks like Signal is the only other viable E2EE product out there.
Until Apple gets the ‘always on battery drain’ under control it is off on my 14Pro, I just tap the screen occasionally if I care. Apple does not always get things right, but their average is pretty good, and they generally do fix things fairly quickly. Oh and they aren’t google…
“Don’t be Evil” went out the window at google long before they abandoned it in 2015, much like they abandon most of their products.
The only thing people are saying about their new watch is “did you see the size of that bezel? 😀😄😂🤣”
RCS is a solution to a problem that does not exist, the telcos drove people to other messaging platforms all by themselves with text messaging fees. So the free market solved the issue, unfortunately Whatsapp got bought by Facebook (dodged that bullet by never installing Whatsapp). It looks like Signal is the only other viable E2EE product out there.
Until Apple gets the ‘always on battery drain’ under control it is off on my 14Pro, I just tap the screen occasionally if I care. Apple does not always get things right, but their average is pretty good, and they generally do fix things fairly quickly. Oh and they aren’t google…
Author of the article forgot to add that Google about 4 and 5 years ago pouched more then 30 key employees that worked on these features @ Apple, so please stop with the Google s!&t here and read the original note of Google employees coming back from 2007 unveiling of the original liPhone, “ ………. we are 20 years behind their tech”... that should sum all of it.
I freely admit that it is annoying as hell sometimes to try to send a picture to by Android Using friends.
That happened in a world with no high desire for end to end encryption. At some point along the way, people got far more interested in end to end encryption, that’s what cut off interoperability.
Ask Google. There’s an iOS version of Google’s messaging app on iOS. Ask them why they haven’t added RCS to that yet.
Better get your abbreviations straight my friend. SMH is short for Shaking My Head. Have a wonderful day!
They are both designing the same product for the same user. All the user research they do will drive them to the same conclusions. The closer we get to the feature plateau the more apparent it becomes.
Competition is good, but Google forgets all they borrowed from Apple. It's a useless argument to tout who got there first. They are trying to bully RCS into existence, but it's not all that. Google pushes a lot of self-serving junk along with their good ideas. That's why they shut down so many services and projects after a few years.
Of course, Android didn’t clone iOS at all.
During Google's latest launch event, the company made multiple references to Apple and the iPhone 14, iOS 16, and Apple's reluctance to adopt support for RCS messaging.
Google yesterday held an event where it announced the Pixel Watch, Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro, and offered new details on the Pixel Tablet. During the event, some presenters couldn't help but take a few jabs at Apple and some of Cupertino's latest announcements.
"Pixel has always been a leader in smartphone innovation," said Brian Rakowski, Google's vice president of product management, speaking about Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. "We take it as a compliment when others in the industry follow our lead, like the always-on display and At a Glance, putting useful information right on your Lock Screen," Rakowski continued, alluding to Live Activities on iOS 16 and the iPhone 14 Pro's always-on capabilities.
"We introduced Car Crash Detection three years ago along with other important ways to keep you safe, like safety check and emergency sharing," Rakowski said during the event. Last month, Apple introduced Car Crash Detection with the iPhone 14, iPhone 14 Pro, and the latest Apple Watch models, and iOS 16 brings Safety Check to users for their own personal safety. "It's an amazing track record of pioneering features that were first on Pixel," Rakowski concluded.
One of the biggest points of tension between Apple and Google is Apple's refusal to adopt RCS messaging support, the latest and increasingly more common standard for messaging. Apple continues to limit messaging on its devices to only the SMS standard and iMessage, despite public calls from Google for it to adopt RCS. Apple CEO Tim Cook has responded to those calls by saying it's not something Apple users are asking the company to do.
During Google's event, it once again put pressure on Apple to change course. "RCS is the modern industry standard for messaging, and it's already been adopted by most of the industry. We hope every device maker gets the message and adopts RCS, making texting better for every smartphone user."
Article Link: Google Claims Apple Follows Its Lead in Smartphone Innovation: 'We Take It As a Compliment'
If it wasn't for Apple, we will still be using smartphones that look like old Blackberries, with physical keyboards.
Asking Apple to use RCS for messaging with Android Phones is not asking them to get rid of Messages. The iPhone already switches to SMS/MMS, so asking them to adopt the RCS standard for message fallback, which is more secure and feature-rich than SMS/MMS and gives iPhone users a better experience when communicating with friends and family members on Android, isn't asking them to abandon their platform. I understand that most US carriers got on board with RCS over the past year or so, so it would likely take some time to implement, but giving iOS users a sub-par and less secure messaging experience with Android phones doesn't really jibe with the "Privacy and Security" values Apple tends to espouse.
Apple is not "resistance" to RCS. It's more like RCS is not the horse that Apple wanted to bet on as it has been superceded by apps like whatsapp etc. Moreover, RCS relies on carrier support as well. Majority of carriers around the world don't support RCS. Google shoehorn RCS support on their messages app by circumventing the carrier and activates RCS using their own servers.
And hardly anyone around the world use RCS anyway. Like you said, most people have moved on to platform agnostic services like whatsapp that doesn't rely on the carriers. Google is basically too lazy to do the hard work in propagating RCS (aka talking to the carriers around the world to properly support it), and gaslighting Apple to basically do the hard work as Apple tend to push carriers for features that Apple want. Apple said no thanks.
Ya 10 years ago, these days is flawless when is about adding new bugs and gimmicks in beta for years.
“We had it first” isn’t a good argument for why someone should buy your phone now. Who cares if the Pixel had AOD and crash detection years ago? iPhone has it now.
Google should be highlighting what the Pixel has that iPhone doesn’t have NOW as a selling point for their phone. Nobody is going to buy a new phone and be like “I really want an iPhone, but the iPhone 14 Pro is the first iPhone with an always-on display, so I’m going to get a Pixel because they’ve had always-on display for years.”
Google should be highlighting what the Pixel has that iPhone doesn’t have NOW as a selling point for their phone. Nobody is going to buy a new phone and be like “I really want an iPhone, but the iPhone 14 Pro is the first iPhone with an always-on display, so I’m going to get a Pixel because they’ve had always-on display for years.”
If Google were REALLY concerned, they could fix this overnight by adopting RCS in their Google Messages app for iOS. However, it appears that they are not that way inclined.
What version though? The RCS as defined by the GSMA standards does not have end-to-end encryption, only client-to-server, carrier support is great in some places, spotty in others. The superior RCS version used by Google that can compete with iMessage, is proprietary and runs on Googles own servers.
It's obvious Apple sees iMessage as a selling point on iPhones and RCS might dilute that. But it doesn't help that for RCS they would have to implement the GSMA version, rollout would be shoddy and look bad - if there are problems the user always blames the phone.
You just don’t know how severe the scam problem caused by iMessage in Taiwan, and iMessage is not the only secure service.
My wife and I used to be on Google Fi, with LG and Pixel phones bought directly from Google. RCS enabled, we'd still miss messages all the time. Or they'd be delayed for over a day for no reason. It was trash.