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Of course there are examples where Google is suspect in how they treat user data, I'm right there with you in agreement and I side with Apple on their protection of user privacy. But your statement was trying to completely downplay everything Google presented "because they have all your data" and that's way off and unfair. There is a ton of technology and advancement that has nothing to do with user data, just to repeat some significant and obvious ones: Night Shift, Maps AR, 10x faster Google Assistant processing.

Of course credit will be given where credit is due.

However, I don’t see why Apple is considered not innovating simply because they are not doing what Google has done (or is doing), just as there will be things that Apple is doing (well) that Google isn’t doing either.

People seem to have this weird notion that Apple somehow has to have their own proprietary version of every single product or software out there, or it’s falling behind.

I just don’t understand this mentality. Apple is losing if it can’t match the combined offerings of every tech company in existence?
 
Of course credit will be given where credit is due.

However, I don’t see why Apple is considered not innovating simply because they are not doing what Google has done (or is doing), just as there will be things that Apple is doing (well) that Google isn’t doing either.

People seem to have this weird notion that Apple somehow has to have their own proprietary version of every single product or software out there, or it’s falling behind.

I just don’t understand this mentality. Apple is losing if it can’t match the combined offerings of every tech company in existence?

I think it's more like... Apple has spent so much time in so many keynotes bragging about how they are the very best there is that we're now we're expecting them to be at all times. And if they start falling behind in any category, they're subject to increased criticism and scorn.

They kind of dug their own hole. Maybe if they were more humble this wouldn't be, but Steve Jobs set the tone for Apple's level of hubris. One could also easily argue that if Apple weren't so aggressive and overconfident, they wouldn't have reached the level of success that they have.

It's kind of a dual-edged sword.
 
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I think it's more like... Apple has spent so much time in so many keynotes bragging about how they were the very best there is that we're now we're expecting them to be at all times. And if they start falling behind in any category, they're subject to increased criticism and scorn.

They kind of dug their own hole. Maybe if they were more humble this wouldn't be, but Steve Jobs set the tone for Apple's level of hubris. One could also easily argue that if Apple weren't so aggressive and overconfident, they wouldn't have reached the level of success that they have.

It's kind of a dual-edged sword.

Sounds like you don’t like apple very much.
 
I think it's more like... Apple has spent so much time in so many keynotes bragging about how they are the very best there is that we're now we're expecting them to be at all times. And if they start falling behind in any category, they're subject to increased criticism and scorn.

They kind of dug their own hole. Maybe if they were more humble this wouldn't be, but Steve Jobs set the tone for Apple's level of hubris. One could also easily argue that if Apple weren't so aggressive and overconfident, they wouldn't have reached the level of success that they have.

It's kind of a dual-edged sword.
Which tech company is humble? They all show off at their press events.
 
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That's just the cheaper Pixel 3a. Apple's phones start at $449, or $249 with trade-in.

The new Pixel 3 starts at $799, and the Pixel 3 XL starts at $899. With 128gb of memory, it's $999.

Not much different from Apple.

What you're losing with a Pixel 3a:
* Not water resistant
* Only 1 configuration - 64gb.
* Front camera worse
* Phone is polycarbonate, not metal and glass.

Pixel 3a has the same back camera as Pixel 3. That is really, really appealing.
 
Pixel 3a has the same back camera as Pixel 3. That is really, really appealing.
Yes, but not the same front camera, missing the wide angle. And it loses water/dust resistance. And not the same DAC. Plastic body. Display isn't as bright, much weaker processor, speakers aren't as good, no wireless charging, bigger battery on the XL though. Obvious sacrifices to make a cheaper phone. But I still appreciate that they are making a cheaper phone.
 
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The iPhone 7 would be significantly faster than a Pixel with the 670 Snapdragon. While the multi-core results for the 670 are close to the A10 in the iPhone 7, the single core score is only about 50% as fast. So the majority of tasks you do the iPhone 7 will be significantly faster. In the best-case scenario with a highly optimized App that can utilize all cores at once, the 670 could ALMOST catch up to the A10.

The XR isn't a fair comparison as it would absolutely mop the floor with the Pixel. It's also a lot more money.
Not so sure as Google engineers are pretty good at optimising their software for “google” branded hardware like my old Moto G5 which I guess is using a humble snapdragon 430. I also have a iPad 6 which has iPhone 7 guts.
In ui speed, moto G is not that bad. It also has on-device google assistant (don’t need internet).But in games, it’s a huge win for the iPad though.

The 670 is much much faster than 430.
So, don’t discount the Pixel 3a like that.
 
i think siri is just making sure that you don't forget to call your mother. it's kind of sweet.

kind of wish the forum had the Facebook Emoji "reply" instead of a "thumbs up", I would have chose the "laugh" one, nonetheless, this comment made me chuckle so I had to type a a verbal thumbs up to you for it. lol

nice.
 
kind of wish the forum had the Facebook Emoji "reply" instead of a "thumbs up", I would have chose the "laugh" one, nonetheless, this comment made me chuckle so I had to type a a verbal thumbs up to you for it. lol

nice.

ha ha, thanks! i agree, i think they need to implement some new "reactions" here, or at least allow a one-word responses for "lol"s :))) but i appreciate you taking the time! :)
 
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Which tech company is humble? They all show off at their press events.

Showing off an invention's abilities and potential (Google) is one thing. Boasting about your popularity and sales achievements (Apple) is another. One rings shallow. Guess which one.
 
Isn't this supposed to be a Apple news website?
If there was something interesting to report about Apple, sure. But unfortunately there hasn’t been coming out much from the infinite pipeline since 2012. Unless you’ll find broken keyboards and new emojis news :rolleyes:
 
If that's true, then it is a sad example to copy from Apple. What was the number referencing?
Global active users. But the point is, all companies talk about their sales/user numbers. Google always shares that or similar data at their keynotes. This is in no way unique to apple. My own company did the same thing earlier this week.
 
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In the past I have been THE largest Apple Fanboy. I basically own one of every one of their products: iPhone, Apple Watch, Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, 3x 4k Apple TVs, etc., etc. My whole home is kitted out with Homekit...

BUT: even I am starting to get tempted away from Apple.

For me, it's on two fronts:

1. Mac Pro is terrible compared to modern workstations. If there isn't a good refresh of the Mac Pro this summer... I'm going to go back to Linux and get a 64 core AMD workstation for like $8k.

2. HomePod is terrible (and expensive). Google Home has invaded my house. It's in every room... and I use a Home Hub for my alarm clock.

I'm now starting to get tempted by even more Google stuff. A Nest doorbell would go well with all of my Google Home stuff... even the Pixel phones are starting to look like real alternatives to iPhones. I'm getting tired of paying $1k for a phone...

I honestly can't believe I'm writing this post right now. But Google has out Apple'd Apple. The reason I am with Apple is because of the ecosystem. I like it when all of my things work together seamlessly. In the past Apple was great at that. But now.... it's looking like Google is even better at it than Apple...

Since 2012 innovation has been dead at Apple, prices were skyrocketing and upgrades were mediocre at best for hard- and software. Apple has been totally relying on it’s brandname for the hard work they did in the period before.

They’ve lost the graphic pro market, they’ve lost education, they’ve lost the video production market and they also seem to have lost the laptop market. All areas they were king before. They have slowly transformed into an expansive fashion brand with their über luxury stores. Unfortunately they neglected their products for too long and other companies worked really hard with innovating and developing new stuff.

Almost every keynote has become a snooze fest and they’re desperately trying half baked services like Apple TV, Apple News, etc. to keep milking the customers. Too little effort, too late.

I hear year after year Siri will be better, this year iOS is getting a stability update and same for MacOS. When did iOS or MacOS got a “wow” update?

Where has that Apple gone that was eager to develop/innovate and upgrade to justify their higher prices?

For me Apple has lost its cool and year after year disappoints. I don’t see any focus nor direction they’re heading and surely won’t ever again invest in a Mac Pro if it ever sees the light of day. Apple hasn’t been a reliable business partner for me and the alternatives have never been better.

I’m slowly moving away from Apple and am very satisfied with the better and cheaper alternatives I’ve bought.
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The comments in this thread along with the Jony Ive post today - this site should be called "MacHatersRumors.com"
Whose to blame for that? How come so many people are getting annoyed with Apple these days? Ever wondered why?
 
Global active users. But the point is, all companies talk about their sales/user numbers. Google always shares that or similar data at their keynotes. This is in no way unique to apple. My own company did the same thing earlier this week.

Were you here in the early 2000's? Windows users would occassionally pop in to remind us of Microsoft's greater presence (>90 percent market share). We were never impressed or influenced by business metrics. We knew that most Windows users struggled with their platform while we enjoyed the elegance and sophistication of ours. Even though the tides have turned and Apple has more mind share among casual users, we still aren't impressed with business metrics. Unfortunately, when Windows users embraced the iPod and later traded their home PCs for iPhones, they brought their "pride in numbers" mentality to the club.
 
So you never use Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc?

I hear this privacy argument a lot, but billions of people then voluntarily publish the most intimate parts of their lives for all to see.

I've been an Android/Samsung user since 2010 and I can't say I've noticed how my privacy has been stolen. Unlike the people who have posted their holiday photos online and then been robbed. Or posted a photo of their credit card online and been scammed. Or seen a photo of their dog from Instagram being used for a billboard ad.

We're all just a number and there's a lot of information about all of us out there. Simply using an iPhone isn't going to change that.

You might not notice your private information being "stolen" because your freely providing it so you probably wouldn't notice it in the same way as someone who just blatantly stole it from you. But the examples you provide are some extremes that can happen, otherwise it's just a ton of your data residing on their servers but the point is that it is then up to THEM (or whoever steals it from them, or that they give it to) to decide how they want to use it, not you.

I do not use Facebook or Instagram or Whatsapp or any of those other services. The lone exception is Twitter which I do have but It's just a generic account with none of my personal information on it and I don't post to it and I don't advertise it on any other websites, forums or otherwise. I only use it to follow news updates from certain accounts.

Even at its most basic use of "serving you more relevant advertising" why do I want to assist a company in helping me spend more of my money by constantly showing me things that they have determined I am most likely to want or buy???? I'd rather see random ads for which I don't want 99% of the stuff and hold on to my cash as much as possible. In most cases when I encounter a web form or something I do have to enter my information into I falsify virtually all of it to help prevent targeted advertising.

Privacy wise (not necessarily data wise) I have also personally seen several situations where people got themselves in trouble with Facebook especially. I'll never use that garbage. People using Facebook typically have bosses and co-workers and tons of other people who aren't your "friends" and something ends up getting posted that either causes job loss, issues with co-workers at a job or issues with neighbors or other people who happen to be on Facebook as a friend. I have also seen people who posted about being on vacation that had things stolen from their property.

Aside from that, look at how many privacy issues Facebook has had in the past few years. So many unsavory people now have massive amounts of data provided to them by Facebook and can do whatever they want with that. It can aid in phishing attacks, spam calls and other scams. Using that data they could find people older than a certain age that are more likely to fall for phone scams or people within certain age groups and ethnicity that they can target for something that applies to them... Personal data can be used against you in many ways, perhaps in ways nobody is really even exploiting yet but once it's out there then you can't get it back and it might eventually come back to bite you so I'd rather just keep my information to myself and I don't mind avoiding "social media" or most certainly anything Facebook owns in order to do that.

TLDR: There are many privacy issues I have seen by using services that gather mass amounts of data on people so I avoid them as much as possible. Using only an iPhone will not stop privacy issues but using an iPhone in combination with limiting use of those other services and websites as much as possible absolutely will help to keep as much of your private information to yourself as you can.
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Rather than make excuses for its lack of data services (ala Apple), Google is making your data work for you.

Quick analogy... what is easier...?

1. Doing an extremely complex math problem yourself and coming up with the answer?
2. Have someone else just give you the answer?

Obviously #2, and when massive amounts of people pour their personal data into google services then Google will take every single bit of it they can get and then they have the information to come up with their answers (as software/technical improvements/innovations) at a very fast pace.

Apple on the other hand is trying to solve the same problems without the troves of users personal data to get the answers and instead come up with it on their own using the more complex method of anonymous and limited data collection from users. This is obviously more difficult and they will certainly lag behind. However, going forward if they continue with this method, I will trust their services far more and I am willing to pay more for it.
 
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Remember how last year, people were praising duplex to the high heavens and claiming how it would oh so innovative?

Seems it hardly gets used today and when it does, gets dismissed as spam.

Another example of how great technology doesn’t always result in a great experience, which is what ultimately matters.

It's way too early to judge the impact of Google Duplex.

As much as I, on the consumer level, can't wait to test it out, the real worth of this tech is on the business side. It has the potential of replacing entire call centers and also providing call center capabilities via the cloud. Bundle this up in their G Suite for Business and it's a big hit. Especially with the translation abilities Google is showing off.

This is why I don't necessarily like comparing Google and Apple. They have overlap, but they are playing in two different fields. Apple is primarily frontend (hardware) and consumers, Google backend (business services).
 
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It's way too early to judge the impact of Google Duplex.

As much as I, on the consumer level, can't wait to test it out, the real worth of this tech is on the business side. It has the potential of replacing entire call centers and also providing call center capabilities via the cloud. Bundle this up in their G Suite for Business and it's a big hit. Especially with the translation abilities Google is showing off.

Call me old fashioned, but I wouldn’t use this service on someone else, and I would hate to be on the receiving end of such a service.
 
Call me old fashioned, but I wouldn’t use this service on someone else, and I would hate to be on the receiving end of such a service.

And that's cool, but automated customer support services have been active for a few decades now. This is just the evolution of that technology for businesses, and it now gives the ability to consumers to, for instance, screen unknown callers, allow deaf people to allow their assistants to make and receive calls, etc.
 
Google shrunk 100GB of voice samples and language modeling into half a gigabyte and can now store them locally on devices. That's a huge WOW!!! It'll even work offline.

That’s beauty of AI. You can let it learn that 100GB worth of information and it’ll came up with some sort of very small (but as powerful) trained model which “understand” concept of that data.

I think Apple is doing the same thing on their labs. Currently you can use Siri offline with commands like play or skip. But it’d better if it can do the same.

I’d say Apple already laid out the hardware for that feature AKA Neural Engine, but they’re trying to figure out how to do the same.
 
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