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I agree 100%. Although I highly doubt that Apple would introduce a new phone at that low of a price point. I'm pretty critical of Android overall, but I hope the Pixel 3a is a hit.

I'm having trouble agreeing. My wife (long time mac user) bought the regular Pixel 3 for $399 on black friday. I've seen various sales on the Pixel 3 since then - in fact they were 599 just days ago. At that price, i think the Pixel 3 is worth it compared to the 3a. Now, if they never lower the 3's price again I can see people flocking to the 3a as I believe a camera is the main selling point of a phone.
 
$399 is the price point the iPhone Xr should've been introduced at but now it's dead since the Pixel 3a is smarter, has 1080+ OLED display, no-latency hi-fidelity headphone jack, better Qualcomm radio, etc. Apple will need to resort to lowering the price of the iPhone Xr to $249 to clear unwanted inventory.

The XR outsold the Pixel 3, what happens if the XR outsells the 3a? Still dead? The 3a is a smart move by Google, get more data from the low end, but the XR will still likely sell better, even almost a year later.
 
Have you recently looked at the world population? You ARE a tiny island.
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Tiny island that has about 25% of global economy... and the most influential country in the world.
 
yep...if it wasn't for the privacy issues I'd probably jump at that $399 Pixel since Tim & Co. absolutely refuse to update the SE.

And Google is doing it right, in this instance, following Business School 101 practices by providing an entry level phone to entice customers into their ecosystem and hook them for life and/or providing a credible low priced phone for emerging markets. How Tim & Co fail to see the value of an updated SE is simply beyond me.

looks like i'll be buying a new battery for my SE for now as I hope and pray Apple offers an updated version soon... :(
The age of the 4" screen smartphone is done. Get over it
 
I REALLY wish Siri worked as well as Google's AI does...

I mean, this is legit embarrassing for Apple.

This is technological evolution, nothing more. Wasn't Apple first to the on-device-processing scene in a big way, and now Google is catching up?

What is embarrassing is how slowly Apple addresses issues like limited Siri functionality on the HomePod. Apparently, it's an overpowered device that's barely being utilized. Just waiting for Apple's marketing clock to tick to the right month. Now, Nest Hub Max is more in line what I was hoping that Apple would have released. Now when Apple does, they'll be "copying".

The technology landscape has truly changed in the past 10 years.
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yep...if it wasn't for the privacy issues I'd probably jump at that $399 Pixel since Tim & Co. absolutely refuse to update the SE.

And Google is doing it right, in this instance, following Business School 101 practices by providing an entry level phone to entice customers into their ecosystem and hook them for life and/or providing a credible low priced phone for emerging markets. How Tim & Co fail to see the value of an updated SE is simply beyond me.

looks like i'll be buying a new battery for my SE for now as I hope and pray Apple offers an updated version soon... :(

I felt exactly the same way! And then I got a XR, and now the SE seems so tiny! While the XR is big and bulky, it's still "fits in my pocket" just fine, which was my main concern of moving away from the SE size. Try the XR. You'll be happy.
 
What is embarrassing is how slowly Apple addresses issues like limited Siri functionality on the HomePod. Apparently, it's an overpowered device that's barely being utilized. Just waiting for Apple's marketing clock to tick to the right month. Now, Nest Hub Max is more in line what I was hoping that Apple would have released. Now when Apple does, they'll be "copying".

They'll get there, i'm not worried about it. Expect them to announce homepod multi-user support at WWDC.
I did pick up a homepod on sale to test. I also have google home, google home mini, a few sonos and an amazon echo.

But keep in mind, when google home launched it was basically useless. It took quite awhile to add all the features. And I had it at launch.
 
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When will they catch up with FaceID? I can’t imagine going back to the old days when I had to perform an action to log into or authenticate apps/websites on my phone.

I have grown to hate face ID on my iPhone X. I wish it had both face and finger ID. If only one, I would take finger over face.
 
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If you look at the premium segment apples marketshare surpasses androids, it’s not even close.

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Considering your chart shows Apple's premium marketshare is 51% and Android's is 49%, I'd say yes, it is close.. far closer than you implied.
 
With the speed and sense of direction Google seems to have in AI, the 'phone' is going to be something quite different very soon.

With apple's security policy to shackle them, the race for the next gen 'phone' may already be over.
 
I have high hopes for their news, as it is I use Google News as my main aggregator to get a good idea of the common narrative as it's easily to rule out the skew from one side or the other.
 
I have grown to hate face ID on my iPhone X. I wish it had both face and finger ID. If only one, I would take finger over face.

Do you frequently use your phone while it’s laying on its back on a table? If so just rest it on a wireless charging stand, works perfectly for me. Here’s mine, $27 brand new with fast charger + cable:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BMDQ9U8/
 
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The XR outsold the Pixel 3, what happens if the XR outsells the 3a? Still dead? The 3a is a smart move by Google, get more data from the low end, but the XR will still likely sell better, even almost a year later.
If prices the iPhone 7 at $399 they'll have their Pixel 3a competitor
 
There was a time when Apple keynotes were this feature packed. Those were the days.
Even though Apple and Google do compete in certain areas, and these products and services are emphasized during the keynote speech, Google has such a diversity of products and services that their keynotes should always cover more ground than Apple’s.
 
The XR outsold the Pixel 3, what happens if the XR outsells the 3a? Still dead? The 3a is a smart move by Google, get more data from the low end, but the XR will still likely sell better, even almost a year later.
Have to agree here. Can't see the 3a outselling the xr...or coming close. At least in the usa.
 
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Hmm...For that price, this will probably tempt me to try a Pixel. Watch out for others like me, Apple!

Right now, the only thing keeping me in the Apple ecosystem is the privacy issues. At this point, my trust in Google is zero and there is no way I'm gong to jump ship from Apple now. I don't use any Google products, and to me, Google is a plague. But if, over the next few years, Google is able to demonstrate an actual respect of privacy, these products at this prices will be impossible to ignore.
 
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Even though Apple and Google do compete in certain areas, and these products and services are emphasized during the keynote speech, Google has such a diversity of products and services that their keynotes should always cover more ground than Apple’s.

No, that's not true. They have products or features out right now where they can't fully even provide a good demonstration on because they're so incomplete or talking about them will make people realize how inferior they are to other options. I'm all for the occasional vr demo, but I feel like lately, they really can't even show a demo with their products where there's even a slight 'ooooohhhh' audible in the audience.

We were given the option to use AR to measure, smarter photos (lack compared to google), Siri shortcuts were kind of half done, app usage is still greatly lacking, Group FaceTime was a failure, and more Animoji's.

I love apple, but it almost feels like their teams work in silos on specific things, never come together and don't work enough on the big picture. Or if they do, they're so ultra conservative that they don't dare to make big changes.
 
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For instance, it doesn’t matter how good or fast google assistant is, so long as Siri remains the preinstalled default on apple devices. Between Siri on my iphone and ipad, plus the Apple Watch putting Siri on my wrist and the airpods putting Siri right in front of my face, plus Siri generally being “good enough” for the majority of requests that users throw at it anyways, people are still going to default to Siri anyways, rather than manually launch an app on their smartphone (which again is hampered by not having system-level access to your device the same way Siri does).

You are right it's not direct 'competition' in the sense that there is really no choice on iPhone, it forces you to use Siri period. But what I meant is, there is a morale hit on Apple when the competition is superior, Apple can no longer make certain claims about being best in keynotes for example, investor confidence gets eroded when we start seeing reports from WSJ etc calling out Apple for stagnation. We saw plenty of this with Siri. That's where I meant it's good to have competition and where Apple one way or another is expected to react.

Google is able to do everything that they have unveiled because they have all your data.

You don't really mean this do you? There is plenty that Google unveiled that has nothing to do with getting 'all your data'. The 10x faster google assistant is due to improved server or algorithm or implementation speeds, it has nothing to do with user data. Same with Google Maps AR. And Pixel's awesome Night Sight, and there is more but you get the idea.
 
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iPhone 6s is on its last legs and have been pretty disoriented with Apple. Really tempted to go in on the 3a.
 
You are right it's not direct 'competition' in the sense that there is really no choice on iPhone, it forces you to use Siri period. But what I meant is, there is a morale hit on Apple when the competition is superior, Apple can no longer make certain claims about being best in keynotes for example, investor confidence gets eroded when we start seeing reports from WSJ etc calling out Apple for stagnation. We saw plenty of this with Siri. That's where I meant it's good to have competition and where Apple one way or another is expected to react.

We see this all the time. The competition releases a product with a feature that is presumably superior to what Apple offers, and the tech press holds it up as evidence that Apple lagging behind.

But the thing is - they speak as though there is this mythical device which amalgamates all of these Apple-beating features. There is no phone with Samsung’s display, Google’s night sight, or a minimal notch while still supporting the equivalent of Face ID, with a budget phone price, as well as the myriad of other features from an assortment of android handsets.

Meanwhile, the list of drawbacks continue to remain. Updates are slow to come (if at all). Companies like Samsung pump their hardware specs like crazy because their software and services ecosystem is next to zero and this is the only way they can compete. The pixel phone came with a whole list of drawbacks that reviewers practically ignored even as they praised its camera to the high heavens (and the phone barely sold).

The end result is that iPhones continue to sell, way over the competition, despite the multitude of criticism levelled at Apple.

To me, Apple continues to be best where it counts - offering a cohesive experience made possible by their control over hardware, software and services. And it is this user experience that I appreciate, and more importantly, value enough to keep giving Apple my money over any other companies out there.

So no, while I never say no to Apple continuing to improve their offerings, I don’t agree that Apple’s products have to be the absolute best in every aspect. They each just have to be good enough such that the combined experience is better.

That’s the elephant in the room that critics conveniently ignore or play down every time. And then they call us sheep when they continue to buy products they consider inferior.

You don't really mean this do you? There is plenty that Google unveiled that has nothing to do with getting 'all your data'. The 10x faster google assistant is due to improved server or algorithm or implementation speeds, it has nothing to do with user data. Same with Google Maps AR. And Pixel's awesome Night Sight, and there is more but you get the idea.

You mean like how Duplex uses data from practially every aspect of your device? Or how in the process of calculating a simple tip, google lens is scanning your receipt and (probably) analysing your buying habits?

Google is always going to be google, in that they cannot not suck every last bit of data from their users, even if it is in the name of supposedly beneficial services.

As they say, your actions speak so loud that I cannot hear what you are saying.
 
No, that's not true. They have products or features out right now where they can't fully even provide a good demonstration on because they're so incomplete or talking about them will make people realize how inferior they are to other options. I'm all for the occasional vr demo, but I feel like lately, they really can't even show a demo with their products where there's even a slight 'ooooohhhh' audible in the audience.

We were given the option to use AR to measure, smarter photos (lack compared to google), Siri shortcuts were kind of half done, app usage is still greatly lacking, Group FaceTime was a failure, and more Animoji's.

I love apple, but it almost feels like their teams work in silos on specific things, never come together and don't work enough on the big picture. Or if they do, they're so ultra conservative that they don't dare to make big changes.

I don't necessarily disagree with your general complaints. And I'll admit, I probably miss many of the shortfalls with Apple's services because I'm heavily invested in using third party services on my iOS devices...many from Google. But, that's why I generally stay with Apple as the superior choice for mobile. Not because they do everything the best. They don't. And they never will. I think that is an unfair expectation. But, using their mobile hardware platform, I have access to the best quality apps and services, including from Microsoft and Google.

Don't be like too many of the fanatic fans are on this site. It's not all or nothing. Enjoying what Apple does well does not mean not appreciating what their competitors also do well or better.
 
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You mean like how Duplex uses data from practially every aspect of your device? Or how in the process of calculating a simple tip, google lens is scanning your receipt and (probably) analysing your buying habits?

Google is always going to be google, in that they cannot not suck every last bit of data from their users, even if it is in the name of supposedly beneficial services.

As they say, your actions speak so loud that I cannot hear what you are saying.

Of course there are examples where Google is suspect in how they treat user data, I'm right there with you in agreement and I side with Apple on their protection of user privacy. But your statement was trying to completely downplay everything Google presented "because they have all your data" and that's way off and unfair. There is a ton of technology and advancement that has nothing to do with user data, just to repeat some significant and obvious ones: Night Shift, Maps AR, 10x faster Google Assistant processing.
 
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