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And your point is?
Just making a statement of fact.

There are numerous reasons why the numbers are important. The main one having to do with developers and which platform the prioritize.
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Everywhere I look, the cover flow patent only mentions media, not "files" or "windows" please link me your source to back up your claim. Also the cover flow patent is a design patent, not utility, so it protects the "look", nothing more. Look at these links where it describes the 3D animation that's particular of cover flow. Palm has nothing to do with it, there is nothing copied related to that patent.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...mation-gui-for-iphone-led-cinema-display.html

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...w-safari-snapback-universal-dock-patents.html

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...-ichat-idvd-virtual-keyboard-multi-touch.html

So copying the look of something but changing what it’s used for (files instead of media) is ok?

The lawyers would have a field day if you used that as an argument in court.
 
How we forget how Apple threw shade at Microsoft for years. (I'm a Mac and I'm a PC) what comes around goes around
I miss those commercials.
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Your funny, I have been to parties where I get asked to compare my pixel to the iPhone. The iPhone does not even come close. And before you ask they are compared to multiple versions of iPhone Xs 8 and 7s
Honest question, what kind of parties are you going to? I've never been to a party where people actually compare there phones.
 
Objectively the Snapdragon 670 is a very decent midrange ARM SOC(praised by most reviews). It's close to a Snapdragon 835 in CPU performance, it's efficient and it doesn't throttle much. In a phone running a near stock and very well optimized(by Google itself) Android version the performance will definitely be very good.
Claiming that the iphone 7 will be significantly faster is just wishful thinking. It will score some higher numbers in a few synthetic benchmarks but in day to day usage it will be hard to notice any significant performance differences. Also with that tiny little battery iphone 7 has it's not much of a power user phone anyway.

Funny how the poster you replied to has been silent after I posted links which 100% back up my claims. Reviews for the Pixel 3a also talk about performance and the lags/delays it has.

What does a battery have to do with this discussion? Oh right, nothing. Just a pathetic attempt to deflect away from Apple vastly superior processors.


I’ll say it again, there’s NOTHING that gets people more riled up than talking about Apple processors. They are so far ahead of everyone else it’s embarrassing.
 
$399 is the price point the iPhone Xr should've been introduced at but now it's dead since the Pixel 3a is smarter, has 1080+ OLED display, no-latency hi-fidelity headphone jack, better Qualcomm radio, etc. Apple will need to resort to lowering the price of the iPhone Xr to $249 to clear unwanted inventory.
 
Did google fire the head of android again?

Kind of looked as though they had nothing to show.

Yes. Not much to show for android Q. But, much like apple phone OS, it's a commodity. Not much new to do. So what do you do?

You integrate it HARD with AI. Did you see the demo of the speed, flexibility and ALL ON BOARD? How about composing an email, along with a link and sending all by voice? Search photos, of animals and send one via voice?

I was impressed. I can understand, though, if you weren't. I see your point, as well.
 
That’s cool. Given I do not use Google Maps, Gmail, Google Assistant, have ad blockers, (for my desktops I move much of the blocking to my router), use DuckDuckGo for search, Safari as my browser (with max privacy protection enabled), use HomeKit devices, they are not getting much data from me.

Is your argument that because one cannot achieve perfect blocking of Google’s tracking one should just hand them all one’s personal data?



Again, not much data going to Google from my devices. You are totally welcome to let them track and sell all your information, not something that appeals to me.

My point is not about you in particular, or myself.
It’s that Apple’s platform allows all kinds of intrusions / tracking / data leaking etc and yet they claim to be on our side, and concerned with privacy.
 
Yup, joined a lil bit ago was on MacRumors seen this post by them and figured I would jump in the conversation. So crazy how Apple heads get so riled up over #TeamGoogle . I want to jump in this circus of comments (I should be studying tho)
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Don't know about other phones, I just know Google made products got it
Google made phones are such a small part of the android users.
 
So yeah there are a few quite important and obvious differences but anyway this is not the thing that matters the most, what matters is that Project Treble actually works and Google is on the right path.
Also Google is starting to push security updates through the Play Store and I don't think they will stop here.

It’s all relative.

Yes, Project Treble is helping (makes one wonder why Google stopped reporting numbers for the last 6 months). Probably because of the slow start.

So now Pie is at 10.4% where Oreo was at 5.7% (the source article claiming 4% was wrong - there are lots of articles about this). My God, that’s incredible. In 8+ months Pie managed to do what iOS 12 did in 48 hours. It took only 23 days for iOS 12 hit 50%.

Now Google is adding Apex to further improve updates to Android. It’s a good move forward, but won’t yet give Google the ability to update the entire OS. But it’s much, much better than Google Play Services, which is useless for security or system updates.

So maybe in another 3-4 years Google might catch up with everyone else (iOS, macOS, Windows) and be able to update all of Android directly. That is if they haven’t switched to Fuchsia or another OS they’re working on that haven’t told us about yet.
 
$399 is the price point the iPhone Xr should've been introduced at but now it's dead since the Pixel 3a is smarter, has 1080+ OLED display, no-latency hi-fidelity headphone jack, better Qualcomm radio, etc. Apple will need to resort to lowering the price of the iPhone Xr to $249 to clear unwanted inventory.

Well then the pixel should sell much more than the xr
 
Yes. Not much to show for android Q. But, much like apple phone OS, it's a commodity. Not much new to do. So what do you do?.

Yes I agree it was completely underwhelming.
Almost nothing to show from android q except for dark mode and copying iPhones x gestures.

You integrate it HARD with AI. Did you see the demo of the speed, flexibility and ALL ON BOARD? How about composing an email, along with a link and sending all by voice? Search photos, of animals and send one via voice?
I was impressed. I can understand, though, if you weren't. I see your point, as well.

Another way to use the same features already on your phone.
Meh

And people complain endlessly about Animoji, at least that was something new.
 
I saw the entire keynote and, must say, lot's of impressive stuff.

The most surprising was all the effort Google has put on features to be increasingly performed on device which is by nature more private and less dependent on their cloud servers.
 
You moved the goal post.

You went from who copied who:

To who does it best:



No, it just makes them smarter than you.

You can imagine whatever you want happend.
Fact is your original post was a rant about somebody copying somebody else.
Don't get rankled because you got caught out there.

LOL I didn't move the goalpost. Nobody can answer my question though, did Google copy Palm or Apple? Is it a coincidence that gesture navigation is now popular? Let me guess Palm right? No, it doesn't make people smart by pointing out Palm "did it first." It makes them willfully ignorant. Apple nailed gesture navigation and everyone is playing catchup. As clever as it sounds to give dead company credit for something they never popularized, its still wrong.
 
LOL I didn't move the goalpost. Nobody can answer my question though, did Google copy Palm or Apple? Is it a coincidence that gesture navigation is now popular? Let me guess Palm right? No, it doesn't make people smart by pointing out Palm "did it first." It makes them willfully ignorant. Apple nailed gesture navigation and everyone is playing catchup. As clever as it sounds to give dead company credit for something they never popularized, its still wrong.

It’s pretty obvious that google copied apple with multitouch gestures, just like the notch.

Pam pre was a failure that didn’t work, that’s why it bankrupted the company.
 
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$399 is the price point the iPhone Xr should've been introduced at but now it's dead since the Pixel 3a is smarter, has 1080+ OLED display, no-latency hi-fidelity headphone jack, better Qualcomm radio, etc. Apple will need to resort to lowering the price of the iPhone Xr to $249 to clear unwanted inventory.

The pixel phone is not going to sell in any meaningful quantity that would pose a threat to the iphone. Not now, not ever.

Don’t you all ever get tired of being wrong day in and day out?
 
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So copying the look of something but changing what it’s used for (files instead of media) is ok?

If you remove that cool 3D animation/layout, it’s no longer cover flow according to the patent. People are attributing to cover flow a lot more than what it actually is.
 
If you remove that cool 3D animation/layout, it’s no longer cover flow according to the patent. People are attributing to cover flow a lot more than what it actually is.

Ok. By your logic, Apples slide to unlock patent is 100% valid.
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$399 is the price point the iPhone Xr should've been introduced at but now it's dead since the Pixel 3a is smarter, has 1080+ OLED display, no-latency hi-fidelity headphone jack, better Qualcomm radio, etc. Apple will need to resort to lowering the price of the iPhone Xr to $249 to clear unwanted inventory.

The Pixel 3a is inferior for so many reasons.

  • It’s running Android.
  • Inferior ecosystem/Apps.
  • Won’t get updates/support anywhere near as long.
  • Has a mid-range processor. It’s not future proof when it comes to running newer software with power-hungry features.
 
Is it just me or is Apple always “doomed” around this time of the year after the Google IO keynote?

Competition is healthy and welcomed, I really hope Apple is paying attention and feeling the heat and gets out of their comfort zone, if Google I/O does all of that, keep bringing on the doom scenarios ;)

Imagine if Google Assistant hadn't been so much faster, we'd still be stuck with caveman Siri for the next decade, now Apple has no choice but to step up. Right?
 
Competition is healthy and welcomed, I really hope Apple is paying attention and feeling the heat and gets out of their comfort zone, if Google I/O does all of that, keep bringing on the doom scenarios ;)

Imagine if Google Assistant hadn't been so much faster, we'd still be stuck with caveman Siri for the next decade, now Apple has no choice but to step up. Right?

I personally don’t think what google announced poses much of a threat to Apple.

For instance, it doesn’t matter how good or fast google assistant is, so long as Siri remains the preinstalled default on apple devices. Between Siri on my iphone and ipad, plus the Apple Watch putting Siri on my wrist and the airpods putting Siri right in front of my face, plus Siri generally being “good enough” for the majority of requests that users throw at it anyways, people are still going to default to Siri anyways, rather than manually launch an app on their smartphone (which again is hampered by not having system-level access to your device the same way Siri does).

In short, Google’s technological superiority here has been largely rendered moot by Apple’s tight control over their own ecosystem.

At the end of the day, what we are seeing is simply each company showcasing what they each do best. Google is able to do everything that they have unveiled because they have all your data. They are able to make their services freely available to everyone because the marginal cost of serving the next user is next to zero, so there is really zero downside to them doing so.

As the saying goes, it’s easy to do the right thing when it costs you nothing. Google’s entire business model is built around this. Apple’s isn’t.

Google announced a cheap pixel phone, but this isn’t the first year they have done so, and I don’t see this putting a dent in iphone sales. So it has a headphone jack, and so the camera is better. Big deal. It’s not going to be enough to get iphone users to switch, not least because the allure of having such an awesome camera has largely been overplayed by you tubers and reviewers, but also because the pixel brand has very little traction outside of hardcore android enthusiasts.

In the same vein, Apple is not going to do what Google has done, just as Google is not going to be able to do what Apple does best (integration of hardware, software and services, or ensure multi-year support of their hardware, or promise not to monetise your data).

Rather, Apple will compete by not competing with Google directly, but instead by doubling down on what they do best. Offer attractive hardware differentiated by the might of their unique ecosystem, superior customer support and promise of better privacy and security.

And users are just going to have to choose which one they prefer more.
 
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It’s all relative.

Yes, Project Treble is helping (makes one wonder why Google stopped reporting numbers for the last 6 months). Probably because of the slow start.

So now Pie is at 10.4% where Oreo was at 5.7% (the source article claiming 4% was wrong - there are lots of articles about this). My God, that’s incredible. In 8+ months Pie managed to do what iOS 12 did in 48 hours. It took only 23 days for iOS 12 hit 50%.

Now Google is adding Apex to further improve updates to Android. It’s a good move forward, but won’t yet give Google the ability to update the entire OS. But it’s much, much better than Google Play Services, which is useless for security or system updates.

So maybe in another 3-4 years Google might catch up with everyone else (iOS, macOS, Windows) and be able to update all of Android directly. That is if they haven’t switched to Fuchsia or another OS they’re working on that haven’t told us about yet.

That 10% translates into 260 million devices.
That’s it.

Only 260 million android devices on pie. That’s just sad.

Never realize android was this fragmented
 
Let's see what iOS 13 brings... However I feel like it may be a let down. I'd love to see some cosmetic things, such as dark mode and an evolution of the grid layout to something more customizable. I swear they better announce multiple users for HomePod. I would love to see continuous conversation with Siri as well as some of the features coming to Google Home... such as "stop" for alarms. I would love to be able to change the trigger for Siri to whatever I want. I see a very useful market for the Nest Hub... I'd love to see Apple come out with a competing product to that. I'd also love to see a competing product for the 3a around the same price point with a camera that is just as good. The camera on my X leaves a lot to be desired. Perhaps the largest ask of all is that Apple would finally allow merging old iTunes logins with iCloud accounts.
 
My point is not about you in particular, or myself.
It’s that Apple’s platform allows all kinds of intrusions / tracking / data leaking etc and yet they claim to be on our side, and concerned with privacy.

Again, it seems that you are arguing that given Apple cannot guarantee that no one leaks data into Google’s ecosystem, they should not try at all?

Over time, Apple has been working to increase users’ privacy. A simple example is creating Apple Maps rather than getting turn-by-turn directions from Google Maps prevents them from tracking everyone’s movements. Great starting point. The changes made to Safari to prevent cross site tracking, are also quite welcome.

If people still choose to use Google’s services, that is up to them.
 
Let me put this into a bit better perspective for you......

The two phones aren’t comparable hardware wise, water resistant and wireless charging etc, but it will be interesting to see performance comparisons between the two.

So two completely different phones for two different prices, Yes, I can see why you're excited (?).
 
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