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You are correct with your iOS vs Android comparison, but it is still to simplified.

In order to truly determine the success of either company you need to take a look at what segments they play in. I would be interested how iPhone sales compare to sales of the Samsung Galaxy, HTC One, Google Nexus etc lines, because these phones play in the same category.

We all know that many Android phones are garbageware with low specs, and probably the majority of phones sold is in that segment. A segment where Apple doesn't play.

So, in order to determine the success of Apple from their point of view it is indeed necessary to look at individual sales of competing smartphones of the same class, filtering out the lower end of the smartphone segment. So probably something like Apple iPhone vc Samsung Galaxy, HTC one etc in one bucket. I think the picture will look much different from that perspective.

That would be the best comparison. I can't find the data anywhere, though.
 
You miss his point.

Android pushes specs. Apple pushes experience.

The best example of this was the original iPod vs MP3 players..

MP3 players: the device has 256 Mb of space.
iPOD: 1000 songs in your pocket.

Today:
Google: quadcore snapdragon.
Apple: fastest and most fluid iPhone ever.


Ask your mother or another layperson what resonates most to them.

Doesn’t matter. You’ll get none of the experience with out the specs. Also Apple does push specs, they just like you to think they don’t.
Have a look at the Mac Pro product page on the store and then come back and modify your post thus; Android pushes specs. Apple pushes specs and experience.
You people can be so blind when it suits.
 
There are over 500 million iOS devices out in the world right now... and more are being sold every day.

That's more than enough to sustain an ecosystem.

Sure... there will always be more devices running Android... but that doesn't mean iOS is some obscure platform.

There are PLENTY of garbage Android devices being sold today... so don't get too wrapped up in the market share numbers either. A good portion of Android's 85% market share is made up of terrible phones sold in developing nations that barely have 3G

Look... I get it... Android has a bigger number than iOS. It reminds me of Windows vs OSX.

But you can still buy a Macintosh today... and Apple is one of the more healthy computer manufacturers despite not having the volume of a Dell or HP

Anyway... it's weird to compare a single company/platform like Apple/iOS to a multi-manufacturer platform like Android.

But you knew that ;)

Almost as weird as comparing Macs to Windows PCs. :rolleyes:
 
493 ppi in pentile.. Well, its barely equivalent of 400 ppi in a lcd.

Specs are brutally useless in real life (not even beating A8's single core performance), not to mention throttling which seemingly no one in the Android space want to ackowledge because they'd get creamed otherwise. So, hey!

3GB of ram because Android needs it to equal IOS on 1G. That's fact Jack.

So, basically, you got a bigger screen. Bravo for that. Otherwise, no so fantastic.

Good points about the throttling and pixel density comparison. I don't quite get the RAM thing, though. If we assume 1GB of RAM in iOS is equivalent to 3GB RAM in Android, then why would Apple want only 1 GB RAM? Are you saying Apple should carefully adjust their specs so they're never too far ahead of Android devices? Why not spec 3GB RAM in iOS devices so they can blow away Android devices?
 
Is it though, it's you that mix up two different models, it's clear in your first sentence. iOS is inseparable from the device, Android is not. Apple makes both the OS and device, so why should you add up all other device companies and compare them agains one. iOS does not, and is not intended to, run on any other device so of course in terms of OS market share it's smaller, that's why it makes more sense to compare devices, because that is actually what Apple offers, it also happens to run their own OS.

Why would we aggregate other device companies? Ummm...ok.. You see, Android runs on many different devices, unlike iOS which runs only on Apple devices. So for example if we compare Apple to Samsung, then we're leaving out a lot of other devices that run Android.

You seem to be holding devices in too great of importance. iPhones don't "just happen" to run a different OS - they are defined by iOS. Same with Android devices - their capabilities are determined by the OS for the most part.
 
Gold phones existed before Apple.

I agree. It's pure coincidence that while certain people were laughing when the golden iPhone 5S as standard option was mentioned, shortly after pretty much every flagship phone by competitors was offered in gold too.
 
I noticed lag on the iPhone 6 before I returned it. It's not all the time but it does pop up. So I can't say it's 100% lag free. Sorry; just not the case. Now I did not notice lag in iOS; just in a game or 2.
Some people just play with their phones harder than others. It's also the reason why I noticed many bugs and a complete system crash for the week I had it. That's why I ultimately returned the phone. Could not pay such a premium price ($849 for the 128GB model) for a less than stellar experience. The 32GB Nexus 6 is a full $200 cheaper and the 32GB Note 4 with SD card is $150 cheaper. And lots not compare it to the $949 iPhone 6 plus.

I'll be dammed, someone talking from their own experience!:cool:

Sounds like your experience was not bad, if I understand correctly, it was just a game issue? However, you did not say much about your experience with the Nexus and Android?
:cool:
 
I agree. It's pure coincidence that while certain people were laughing when the golden iPhone 5S as standard option was mentioned, shortly after pretty much every flagship phone by competitors was offered in gold too.

As it turns out, the first Samsung Galaxy S4 in gold was announced for the UAE on August 27th, and was sold on September 8th. That means that the gold version of Samsung's Android flagship was being sold two days before the gold Apple iPhone 5s was even introduced.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-copied-us-with-gold-Apple-iPhone-5s-hints-Samsung_id47816

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=28658
 
Yeah, looks like the Nexus 6 is ~1mm wider and ~6mm wider with a much larger display.... Not bad.

I love my iPhone 6+ and would welcome a bigger screen if Apple would shrink the d*mn bezels.

Yea, and maybe if apple incorporated that ultra fast charging tech from nexus 6 and note 4, because my iphone 6 plus charges painfully slow(great battery life though). Curious how much a 2amp adapter will help vs. the stock provided.

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Good thing iOS updates always rolling quickly, hey :cool:

If only those updates would fix the 5ghz wifi issues.
 
Yea, and maybe if apple incorporated that ultra fast charging tech from nexus 6 and note 4, because my iphone 6 plus charges painfully slow(great battery life though). Curious how much a 2amp adapter will help vs. the stock provided.

2amp does wonders for my iP6 (I have the amazon charger)...However, I do not have much problem with battery life. My nexus 5 was horrible at battery life and it seems I won't be going in for a new Android device this year (perhaps the next HTC phone will change my mind :) ).
 
I seriously don't understand why EVERY tablet does not come with front-facing speakers. Extra points to the tablets that do.

It's so ridiculous to have to cup my hand under my (fill in the blank) tablet to get the sound coming toward me instead of the floor or table or other people.
It took Apple how many iterations to put in two speakers now you want them on the front where they'll sound better !!!!! That absurd and "You don't need it and you're holding it wrong";)
 
specs do matter...oh wait...they don't.

iphones do not have bloatware....or lag.

there boot loaders don't need to be unlocked either.


a little research could help you out.
Their is no lag because everything running freezes once you touch the screen and the lack of true multitasking.
 
Agreed. Although it improved with the iPad Air, my 2nd iPad was the most difficult to hear. 'Suppose this is once instance "thin" can improve functionality.

I couldn't justify stereo speak's for mobile phones. They're too small to deliver stereo sound, they blend together. It's a criticism MS slings at Apple with the horrible auto-tuned "Siri" voice that performs those "missing features" now in iOS 8 (and does "Cortana" really sound like a voiceover actress? 'Cause, no so much).
Hmmmm... see I feel different because I'm always cupping the speaker to hear in most situations without HP. I obviously don't think it's a deal killer as I've owned every iPhone from i1 but think it'd be nice.
 
I agree. It's pure coincidence that while certain people were laughing when the golden iPhone 5S as standard option was mentioned, shortly after pretty much every flagship phone by competitors was offered in gold too.

Lol, my first smartphone in 2003 was gold. Just a bit darker than the 5S. I think I still have it in a box somewhere.
 
I wish they updated the Nexus 7. I own everything Apple including an iPad Air and I think the Nexus 7 was the best mini tablet ever. IMHO, Android doesn't have the app quality of iOS and it's certainly not the greatest music/video player but for reading books, email, that kind of stuff I loved that tablet.

I have a Nexus 7 2013 and am dismayed at Apple's failure to design an iPad Mini to rival it. It's great in all the ways you mention, with a wonderful display that remains a few years ahead of the rMini. The problem is Android. I'm sure you've experienced the random reboot bug - happens on mine every few hours.

What I find most troubling about the iPad Mini debacle is that Apple has addressed slumping sales by adding more Mini models with the same problem! It suggests to me that the leadership is timid, confused, and even panicked in the face of slumping rMini sales. Steve Jobs understood the obvious: the display is the most important hardware on a tablet. Skimp on RAM, go cheap on NAND, slap an old SoC in it, make it thick and run it hot, and people will tolerate those faults if the display is gorgeous. Nail everything but the display, and it's an epic FAIL.

Apple need two current generation tablets:

iPad
iPad Mini

Drop the "Retina" distinction. All tablets should be retina by now.
Use the exact same LCD technology on both tablets; they are both premium tablets. There is no hierarchy of size, because some people want or need a smaller and lighter tablet. For those people, the smaller size is a feature, not something for which they settle because they can't afford the Air.
 
Doesn’t matter. You’ll get none of the experience with out the specs. Also Apple does push specs, they just like you to think they don’t.
Have a look at the Mac Pro product page on the store and then come back and modify your post thus; Android pushes specs. Apple pushes specs and experience.
You people can be so blind when it suits.

You people? :rolleyes:

I was talking about mobile products. The Mac pro is targeted at an entirely different audience. Of course it will be sold on specs.
 
You people? :rolleyes:

I was talking about mobile products. The Mac pro is targeted at an entirely different audience. Of course it will be sold on specs.

You must be joking, you didn’t see the Keynote last night? I’ve not seen people reel off specs with that level of contrivances in a long, looooong time.
Look at the product page for the iPhone.
So you get things that affect your experience and that the average person needs to know like a, (useless), 16GB capacity. Overall device dimensions…..
Then you get IPS, WTH hell knows/cares what that is of the average user base?
Contrast ratio. Higher is better but nobody knows what’s a good level.
Brightness. Nobody knows what cd per square metre is.
Dual domain pixels…..Eh?
A8 with 64Bit and M8 chips…..I mean like, so. WTH hell knows/cares what 64 bit means from the average user base? If it wasn’t about specs the description ‘New A8 processor’ would do.

Apple love to spout specs just the same as the others. I repeat, You people……..sheesh.
 
I had the Nexus 7 and it was a brilliant tablet. It established the small form.

But I think Google might shoot themselves in the foot by increasing the prices. If they are close on price, the average punter with pick an ipad over an android.

This plays more into the hands of the like of Amazon, or even retailers like Tesco and their fantastic (for the price) Hudl.

Part of the charm of cheap android tablets when comparing to a ipad was 'same spec, half the price'. Take the price element away and what is the USP?
 
I bought the 2013 Nexus 7 and have (and still) love it. It's a great tablet at a great price. I chose it over the iPad Mini because I already have an iPad. I wanted to try something different and the Nexus 7 delivered with a great screen and any app/feature I would want.

I will freely admit - price was a big barrier. As I didn't NEED a new 7" tablet, I didn't WANT to spend $399. I think I got the 32gb Nexus 7 for around $199. That's significant.

Does the Nexus 9 appeal to me. Maybe a little. but I like the form factor of the 7 and it's still a great device for my needs. So I won't be getting the 9. And definitely not for $399.
 
Android already dominates Apple in mobile device marketshare. You're comparing individual Android device companies but the real comparison is iOS v Android.

I was using Samsung because they sell the most Android phones and were making a profit.

Check out the aggregate sales of all Android smartphones versus iPhones and the trend is clear: Apple are in decline. The trend is hidden for now because the entire smartphone market is growing, so Apple's sales grow despite taking a smaller slice of the growing pie.

If I were a company I sure would take a smaller market share to make more money on each item versus selling more at a lower price and making less. As long as Apple sales continue to grow is what really counts, not total domiance of the smart phone market making razor thin margains or no margins at all.

And why is that not a single Android phone manufacturer is not making any money or razor think margins on the sell of there smart phones. Even the ones that are selling at the high end are having a hard time.

I really hope Android Lollipop finally nails it, because Apple need boot in the arse so they up their game. Unfortunately Android lets all the OEMs alter the OS so even if Lollipop rocks, the devices from Samsung for example will still feature an ugly home screen filled with dubious alterations and "features".

Your story is the same story I read every year when Apple releases a new iPhone. Apple is very aware of what is going on in the market place.

If it were more of a Windows model in which every Android phone could run the stock Android OS, then Apple's position would be worse.

Or the Apple model where every iPhone runs stock iOS. Oh wait...

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Good points about the throttling and pixel density comparison. I don't quite get the RAM thing, though. If we assume 1GB of RAM in iOS is equivalent to 3GB RAM in Android, then why would Apple want only 1 GB RAM? Are you saying Apple should carefully adjust their specs so they're never too far ahead of Android devices? Why not spec 3GB RAM in iOS devices so they can blow away Android devices?

The more RAM you have the more power it takes to power it.
 
I was using Samsung because they sell the most Android phones and were making a profit.

So Apple sells more laptops than Toshiba, thus Macs beat Windows! Yay!



The more RAM you have the more power it takes to power it.

RAM is only a part of mobile device power consumption. The SoC uses a greater proportion of power than RAM, and SoC efficiency is Apple's forte. They could at least match Android RAM amounts while beating them at the thin game.
 
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