Google Developing More Secure Face ID-Style Facial Recognition System for Android Devices

[GuruZac]

there are already Android phones that do 3D Facial recognition, like the Xiaomi Mi 8 for example. They have been doing it since mid 2018.

Being that is was implemented on a Chinese iPhone clone device, it is more than likely a rip off of Face ID.

 

[Shanghaichica]

First of all, this quote makes it seem like no one is capable of engineering something like the pitiful and ugly TrueDepth camera. I mean, maybe, just maybe Samsung/Google/whatever aren't interested in gimmicks like Apple is. That's what FaceID is. It's a gimmick. Fingerprint is way more secure and easier and companies like Samsung are investing in under-glass fingerprint readers—something Apple FAILED to do because they can't engineer their way out of a paper bag.

I do have to agree with this. People forget that Apple bought Face ID. Samsung and Google have the money to purchase a robust Facial recognition system if they want to. However the fact remains most of the android OEMs have chosen to pursue in screen FPS rather than advancing facial recognition technology.

Huwawei actually have a facial recognition set up on their mate 20 pro which is similar to face ID. Being a Chinese company will make it difficult for them to get the support of the banks in the US and Europe for authenticating payments.
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Why is the phone spraying her with water? The poor girl is soaked! Can this be disabled in the Android Settings?

This is from Apple's promotional material for face ID.
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Hope it's way improved an can actually work in the dark at bed.

Face ID works in bed in the dark.
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Interesting considering Face ID uses infrared so in theory it should work in the dark. As for in bed, gravity is probably making your face different enough for Face ID to fail to recognize you. That's why it's better to have several options since each have their pros and cons and work better for different situations.

Face ID works for me in bed at night time, but I agree it's far better to have several options than to rely on one.
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Yeah I have to agree that while using gloves Face ID can be more convenient, but since I don't wear them it doesn't make a different to me, Touch ID was also a mess most of the times it wouldn't recognize my finger and I would end up entering the code, now it seems to be more stable with iOS 12.

But you still have to swipe up for face ID to unlock so it doesn't work with gloves.

 

[Suttree]

Finger print is not more secure. Maybe check the facts before making comment.

Here's a realistic scenario. Someone grabs your iPhone, points it at your face, then runs off with your $1,500 phone unlocked. Thus less secure than having just a fingerprint reader.

 

[CIA]

What's best about this article is the photo showing FaceID scanning the face of a woman to unlock, from an angle where FaceID would NEVER work to unlock.

My 2nd biggest gripe about FaceID is how it won't unlock when sitting on a desk next to me. I really wish TouchID in the panel was a thing.

 

[KPOM]

But you still have to swipe up for face ID to unlock so it doesn't work with gloves.

There are lots of touchscreen-compatible gloves on the market.
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What's best about this article is the photo showing FaceID scanning the face of a woman to unlock, from an angle where FaceID would NEVER work to unlock.

My 2nd biggest gripe about FaceID is how it won't unlock when sitting on a desk next to me. I really wish TouchID in the panel was a thing.

My guess is Apple doesn’t want to add to the thickness or weight of the phones. They seem to be all-in on Face ID. I expect it will continue to evolve and improve with future generations.

 

[1050792]

There are lots of touchscreen-compatible gloves on the market.
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My guess is Apple doesn’t want to add to the thickness or weight of the phones. They seem to be all-in on Face ID. I expect it will continue to evolve and improve with future generations.

Then the same argument can be used against yours, there are many touchscreen gloves available on the market to use a fingerprint.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Here's a realistic scenario. Someone grabs your iPhone, points it at your face, then runs off with your $1,500 phone unlocked. Thus less secure than having just a fingerprint reader.

If it truly is a realistic scenario, you should have no problem providing links to actual cases of this occurring. I'd like to see those please.

 

[KPOM]

Then the same argument can be used against yours, there are many touchscreen gloves available on the market to use a fingerprint.

Except that they don’t work well with Touch ID (or any fingerprint scanner). They either are too easy to fool (meaning anyone with the same glove can unlock your phone) or Touch ID can’t identify a unique pattern.

 

[Shanghaichica]

If it truly is a realistic scenario, you should have no problem providing links to actual cases of this occurring. I'd like to see those please.

Reminds me of the all the shouting about people getting their fingers chopped off by thieves when touch ID launched.

 

[koruki]

First of all, this quote makes it seem like no one is capable of engineering something like the pitiful and ugly TrueDepth camera. I mean, maybe, just maybe Samsung/Google/whatever aren't interested in gimmicks like Apple is. That's what FaceID is. It's a gimmick. Fingerprint is way more secure and easier and companies like Samsung are investing in under-glass fingerprint readers—something Apple FAILED to do because they can't engineer their way out of a paper bag.

more secure how, its way harder to make a fake face than to lift a finger print as been proven many times before. The only way people have bypassed faceID so far is to never set it up properly on purpose with a twin brother cover half his face lol. Have you seen the reviews on the underscreen finger print scan? its got a 50% miss rate sometimes just does nothing

 

[MultiMan]

Right now, there are Android devices that are using 2D facial recognition techniques to replace a passcode, but none of those systems are based on 3D face scans like Face ID. Facial recognition used by Android right now is more rudimentary and easily fooled, which is why Android devices continue to use fingerprint sensors for operations that need more security like payments.

That's incorrect as Huawei Mate 20 Pro uses the same type of 3D-system as FaceID, with dot projector and so on.

 

[torana355]

I much prefer less sensors and cameras on the front of the phone with a in-screen fingerprint sensor. I don't even really want the Cutout on the new Samsung S10, give me just all screen thanks. Face-Id solves and issue that never existed.

 

[I7guy]

more secure how, its way harder to make a fake face than to lift a finger print as been proven many times before. The only way people have bypassed faceID so far is to never set it up properly on purpose with a twin brother cover half his face lol. Have you seen the reviews on the underscreen finger print scan? its got a 50% miss rate sometimes just does nothing

Not to mention I read with the s10, no screen protector due to in-screen fingerprint reader.

 

[Apache1]

False. Touch ID is more secure since it has much lower false positives than Face ID. Glove is only at most a seasonal issue that can be supplemented with more secure iris scanner.

Apple don't like these videos so it will probably disappear like the boyfriend/girlfriend one but there are still many of these on YouTube under ''Face ID fail".

Not buying it. Their noses are two different sizes and the mapping requires almost identical twins in order for the mapping recognition to work. These iPhones may be Chinese reproductions.

 

[ealeks]

all claims about Apple being "years ahead" of Android in this regards are bogus.

Huawei Mate 20 Pro uses the same type of 3D-system as FaceID, with dot projector and so on.

Maybe they actually tried to copy technology, but failed and still delivered untested important security feature:
https://www.androidpit.com/huawei-mate-20-pro-face-unlock-inaccurate

Competition is good, but it's not here yet.

So yeah, Apple is light years ahead of Android in this field.

 

[Xico]

Maybe they actually tried to copy technology, but failed and still delivered untested important security feature:
https://www.androidpit.com/huawei-mate-20-pro-face-unlock-inaccurate

Competition is good, but it's not here yet.

So yeah, Apple is light years ahead of Android in this field.

That has been fixed already:

https://www.xda-developers.com/huaw...optimize-face-unlock-camera-december-patches/

It's all about software...

 

[ealeks]

That has been fixed already

It says something about their attention to testing it. Imagine Internet reaction if similar vulnerability found in Apple Face ID.

And amount of attempted "tests" (hacks) on Huawei is magnitudes lower than on iPhone X. I remember reading about complex pricy 3d head sculpting for tricking Face ID, no one will do it for Huawei 🙂

But I'm all hands up for competition, the more advanced Android makers technology become - the more Apple will have to keep up.

 

[Xico]

It says something about their attention to testing it. Imagine Internet reaction if similar vulnerability found in Apple Face ID.

And amount of attempted "tests" (hacks) on Huawei is magnitudes lower than on iPhone X. I remember reading about complex pricy 3d head sculpting for tricking Face ID, no one will do it for Huawei 🙂

But I'm all hands up for competition, the more advanced Android makers technology become - the more Apple will have to keep up.

I would never use "Face ID" for payments or bank logins (Apple or Android), use it to unlock the phone and that's it, it's very convenient... As we see more and more brands developing the "Face ID" system, software will be more and more precise. But still, Fingerprint is the number 1 secure login for me, whether it's a home button or under the screen.
My opinion is that Google will develop Face ID for Android as well as Apple will go back to developing Touch ID again, since they had the best hardware/software combination.

 

[Shanghaichica]

more secure how, its way harder to make a fake face than to lift a finger print as been proven many times before. The only way people have bypassed faceID so far is to never set it up properly on purpose with a twin brother cover half his face lol. Have you seen the reviews on the underscreen finger print scan? its got a 50% miss rate sometimes just does nothing

Or unrelated people of Asian origin. Anyhow whilst I don’t believe it’s we infallible as people are claiming I do believe it’s more secure than the FPS. Yet having said that that the FPS is secure enough and that’s what matters.

 

[Michael Goff]

I have many issues with Face ID recognizing me in the dark even less while I'm in bed. Another hilarious situation is that I haven't touched my iPhone X for a week and it totally forgot my face and had to reset Face ID. Crazy.
I'll stick with a fingerprint scanner, especially now that's coming to the screen it's way more convenient, fast and secure.

Are you sure you're not putting the phone closer to your face in the dark?

 

[Shanghaichica]

Not to mention I read with the s10, no screen protector due to in-screen fingerprint reader.

You could barely get a decent screen protector on previous Samsung phones because of the curved display so you’re not really loosing anything with the in screen FPS.
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Maybe they actually tried to copy technology, but failed and still delivered untested important security feature:
https://www.androidpit.com/huawei-mate-20-pro-face-unlock-inaccurate

Competition is good, but it's not here yet.

So yeah, Apple is light years ahead of Android in this field.

Yep they must have copied the technology that Apple BOUGHT. There is no way that another company could have bought a similar technology or innovated themselves. If they had copied Face ID they would be getting sued. Apple have sued Samsung for much less.

 

[0388631]

You could barely get a decent screen protector on previous Samsung phones because of the curved display so you’re not really loosing anything with the in screen FPS.

Hmm, I always preferred a case with a large ribbed edge to protect from side impacts. I never thought about it falling face flat. Though in the case with fingerprint readers, I'd still attach a protector since I prefer other methods of unlocking over fingerprints.

 

[Shanghaichica]

It says something about their attention to testing it. Imagine Internet reaction if similar vulnerability found in Apple Face ID.

And amount of attempted "tests" (hacks) on Huawei is magnitudes lower than on iPhone X. I remember reading about complex pricy 3d head sculpting for tricking Face ID, no one will do it for Huawei 🙂

But I'm all hands up for competition, the more advanced Android makers technology become - the more Apple will have to keep up.

Maybe Face ID is more secure but it is not fool proof. It has been cracked by relatives and even unrelated people of Asian origin.

 

[0388631]

Not buying it. Their noses are two different sizes and the mapping requires almost identical twins in order for the mapping recognition to work. These iPhones may be Chinese reproductions.

I recall someone stating on the forum their twins while identical had some very different features that could still unlock their iPhone or rather each other's phones. They were in the US.
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Maybe Face ID is more secure but it is not fool proof. It has been cracked by relatives and even unrelated people of Asian origin.

I've been reading more and more of similar reports. Thanks for the input. I thought I was the only person who'd read such things here and elsewhere.

 

[dzankizakon]

This is simply untrue. Some Huawei phones (P20 Pro) have the same face recognition system as iPhone. It was released soon after iPhone X (March 2018) so all claims about Apple being "years ahead" of Android in this regards are bogus.