Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Seriously, it's as plain as day...

If Google really thought about this, why didn't they come first to the table ?

If Google was first, then well done, if there is a pattern, wouldn't u get suspicious too ? if so, then its ok by you that a company can copy another.
 
So true, I've been enjoying Songza for quite some time. When the topic comes up in conversation one thinks music.

When Beats comes up one thinks rap/hip hop/elicit sex and drugs. It's the gangsta culture Apples sure to be proud of... Oh wait!

I think Cook was had by a slickster.
 
Seriously, it's as plain as day...

If Google really thought about this, why didn't they come first to the table ?

If Google was first, then well done, if there is a pattern, wouldn't u get suspicious too ? if so, then its ok by you that a company can copy another.

dont forget about gmail copying apples mail service mac.com about 10 years ago. perhaps google docs is a copy of appleworks as well. its obviously been going on for much longer than suspected

but seriously there is an outcry by those extra sensitive when google or samsung release something apple has been rumored to do so its a no win situation
 
Last edited:
Beats: $3B for 250K subscribers, poorly rated (but high margin) headphones and 2 leaders
Songza: $15M for 5M subscribers, no headphones and non-famous talent

Beats 250K are paying subscribers while Songza's 5M are free (ad supported). Looking forward, does the subscription for sale trump the free* subscription?

Hmmm

Google already has a paid model so it does not make sense for them to get another paid one.. Bit of pain to integrate. Since Apple's music service as well as Beats are minuscule, their integration is not a big problem. Also, since google got Nest for hardware chops, they do not need another one so they would not have got beats even if Apple had not got it. Not in US so not sure who wins in this Beats vs Nest comparison. As far as the streaming service is concerned, I think Songza is better though I have not used both.

----------

I'm seeing a patten. and hate it...

Apple purchases Beats, Google follow

All of this very well relates to Lemming... Apple's the 'kin pin' leader, and all the other bastards jump of the cliff..

Just like the real world :)
(maybe that's why i like playing it so much)

Just once, i'd like to see Google/Microsoft do something that doesn't first involve Apple doing it first.

From services, to products..... Its all the same.

What's actually new out there?

When Apple bought Beats, EVERY blog's first reaction was disbelief since nobody thought it was a fit. Had Apple bought this for say 1.5 bn, perhaps there would not have been so much incredulity. Google showed Apple how it is done. Nowadays, Google is better at executing than Apple.. I guess where as earlier it was the reverse..
 
Google already has a paid model so it does not make sense for them to get another paid one.. Bit of pain to integrate. Since Apple's music service as well as Beats are minuscule, their integration is not a big problem. Also, since google got Nest for hardware chops, they do not need another one so they would not have got beats even if Apple had not got it. Not in US so not sure who wins in this Beats vs Nest comparison. As far as the streaming service is concerned, I think Songza is better though I have not used both.

----------



When Apple bought Beats, EVERY blog's first reaction was disbelief since nobody thought it was a fit. Had Apple bought this for say 1.5 bn, perhaps there would not have been so much incredulity. Google showed Apple how it is done. Nowadays, Google is better at executing than Apple.. I guess where as earlier it was the reverse..

It's funny how armchair CEOs think they know what's best for each company and what was the smarter purchase. Apparently you feel that Tim Cook and folks that have high level education and run one of the most profitable companies in the world are dumb when it comes to purchasing decisions? There are many variables that come in to play here that we are unaware of because at the end of the day we are just consumers.

If I were to take a guess, I would say Apple saw an opportunity and some advantages and jumped on this versus other purchases like Pandora and such. Google as usual is just trying to keep up with Apple by following its every move. It won't do anything with Songza until they see what Apple decided to do with Beats. They will then mimic Apple again. I expect Microsoft to follow suit with a purchase soon too.
 
I wish Apple would buy a search company. DuckDuckGo - :apple:Go

Yes please!!!! IMO DDG is starting to gain traction and having it available as an option in iOS will significantly boost the userbase.

It reminds me of Google back in ~1997 when they were a cool no frills search engine that gave us the best results with no BS. I remember talk back in the day that Apple considered buying Google.

DDG and Apple could be really good partners so long as they remained separate. For example when Google bought out YouTube they canned 'youtube' logins and forced submitters to be 'googlers'. I wouldn't want a DDG that's linked with my Apple account, prioritises iTunes/Apple in search results and recommends music based on my tastes.

To me iTunes is fine for that (Apple track our music usage if we choose to use iTunes). DDG does have partnerships with companies like Amazon... it will be interesting to see how this partnership model develops as they start making more serious cash.
 
It's funny how armchair CEOs think they know what's best for each company and what was the smarter purchase. Apparently you feel that Tim Cook and folks that have high level education and run one of the most profitable companies in the world are dumb when it comes to purchasing decisions? There are many variables that come in to play here that we are unaware of because at the end of the day we are just consumers.

If I were to take a guess, I would say Apple saw an opportunity and some advantages and jumped on this versus other purchases like Pandora and such. Google as usual is just trying to keep up with Apple by following its every move. It won't do anything with Songza until they see what Apple decided to do with Beats. They will then mimic Apple again. I expect Microsoft to follow suit with a purchase soon too.


Oh I fear for whatever company MS purchases, they typically leave behind smoking ruins, stunned former employees, and no one, not even Microsoft knows what happened or why!
 
It's funny how armchair CEOs think they know what's best for each company and what was the smarter purchase. Apparently you feel that Tim Cook and folks that have high level education and run one of the most profitable companies in the world are dumb when it comes to purchasing decisions? There are many variables that come in to play here that we are unaware of because at the end of the day we are just consumers.

If I were to take a guess, I would say Apple saw an opportunity and some advantages and jumped on this versus other purchases like Pandora and such. Google as usual is just trying to keep up with Apple by following its every move. It won't do anything with Songza until they see what Apple decided to do with Beats. They will then mimic Apple again. I expect Microsoft to follow suit with a purchase soon too.

Like Apple fans tell others that Apple might be late and copying others but it gets it right, it does not matter if Google follows Apple - It just did it better. about 3bn better. Lol! Still think Tim Cook is not dumb?
 
Like Apple fans tell others that Apple might be late and copying others but it gets it right, it does not matter if Google follows Apple - It just did it better. about 3bn better. Lol! Still think Tim Cook is not dumb?

No but I think you are dumb! :) If you actually read up on why they didn't select some of the other music streaming services, you would know that the music license fees played a role. Also, have you actually payed attention to the profits Beats are making? How much profits is Songza making? Exactly. Once again, there is a reason why you aren't in a boardroom calling shots. :D
 
And you call others armchair CEO after doing exactly the same you accuse them?

Pot, kettle??

You can look at it that way if you like. I just think it's funny that someone that maybe makes $1000 every two weeks will come on here and call a billionaire CEO of a Fortune 100 company dumb.
 
Why? Just curious. I love last.fm but don't see what good Apple buying them would do.

I think my personal fascination with the idea is because it's what I thought apple was trying to do with ping when that was announced. That whole venture was a huge let down because I really hoped for a community/platform similar to that of last.fm.

I think something like last.fm would be a sweet integration into iTunes. I love the idea of seeing what songs my friends are into at the moment, or checking out an artist and seeing what their most listened to songs are and how my favourites stack up.

I know I can do all of this with last.fm in it's current iteration but I think I just enjoy the idea of seeing it on a larger scale. The community aspect of it has so much potential. I'm waiting for the day I can tag my music.

I've never really been too much into radio services though, I'd rather see a streaming/netflix type deal eventually emerge.
 
No but I think you are dumb! :) If you actually read up on why they didn't select some of the other music streaming services, you would know that the music license fees played a role. Also, have you actually payed attention to the profits Beats are making? How much profits is Songza making? Exactly. Once again, there is a reason why you aren't in a boardroom calling shots. :D

You are calling me dumb? That is really rich.. Do you know that Music licenses are not tranferrable? Also -

I fail to see where this does anything at all for Apple that it can't/doesn't already do for itself:

#1: The brand. Sure, Beats is popular, but it's almost entirely a branding play. Their headphones are competent at best, and wildly overpriced, so it's aprofitable venture, but that's all. Why would Apple risk diluting its own sterling brand by fronting another? That's a more appropriate ting for Microsoft or HP to do in this space.

#2: The hardware. No contest here. Apple could produce and ship a high-end line of headphones almost immediately, if it wants to. Or, for that matter, Apple could buy any number or high-end audiophile (i.e., much better regarded than Beats) headphone brands for a fraction of the Beats deal, and leverage Apple's own brand that way.

#3: Streaming music. Huh? Apple already has fantastic distribution deals with everyone for the iTunes store. It would be clean and easy for them to negotiate streaming terms that are as good or better than anyone else's, precisely because of it's iTunes stature.

Net-net, I think Tim Cook is suffering from a bit of Zuckerberg syndrom: way too much money burning a hole in his pocket, and thinking it's OK to blow a few billion $ on a lark without thinking it through. People kept telling him that he is doing nothing with all the billions in his pocket so he had to do something and this is the knee jerk reaction..
 
Yeah you're right its not like google isn't being investigated for anti-trust as we speak

Which antitrust enforcer is investigating google "as we speak?" The EU inquiry was closed months ago, and it was brought under either Article 81 or 82 of the EU treaty -- Sherman is American law.
 
It's funny how armchair CEOs think they know what's best for each company and what was the smarter purchase. Apparently you feel that Tim Cook and folks that have high level education and run one of the most profitable companies in the world are dumb when it comes to purchasing decisions? There are many variables that come in to play here that we are unaware of because at the end of the day we are just consumers.

If I were to take a guess, I would say Apple saw an opportunity and some advantages and jumped on this versus other purchases like Pandora and such. Google as usual is just trying to keep up with Apple by following its every move. It won't do anything with Songza until they see what Apple decided to do with Beats. They will then mimic Apple again. I expect Microsoft to follow suit with a purchase soon too.

You mean STEVE JOBS made the company billions, just like Bill Gates made Microsoft billions. Steve Ballmer was also buying up companies for no good reason, why don't we see if Cook actually does a good job before crowning him?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.