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What is it the iPhone can't do to suit "business?" (Whatever "business" means?)
The only thing the iPhone can't do that may or may not be a problem depending on the business is be used without iTunes ever being needed. (Even then I am not entirely sure this is true, but no one has ever said otherwise).
 

Heh, now you're pimping Android ("Anything but Apple!") not considering the fact that Google is suffocating your beloved Windows Mobile with a pillow while it sleeps. So many fighters in the ring right now that you're not sure who to root for, although you certainly know who you want to root against. (FYI: Microsoft left the ring a while back, headed to the snack bar for a churro).

When worlds collide!
 
But judging by the horrifically-bungled messages I receive from my manager's Blackberry, that physical keyboard isn't doing much for accuracy anyway...

or it could just be your manager being lazy :p

I type pretty fast too on the iPhone but tactile feedback means you don't need to 1) rely on an autocorrect as much and 2) have to regularly correct the autocorrect. I'm hoping that this technology actually gets integrated into the Tablet, and possibly a later revision of the iPhone. Up to now, the closest to touchscreen tactile feedback we've had is the Storm, which just had the whole screen click when you pushed it, which was stupid and pointless.
 
Heh, now you're pimping Android...

Perhaps you're surprised that I can look at something open-minded, like the Iphone user who did that review.

If I had to buy a new phone today, the Nexus One would be on the short list. My big concern about it would be privacy - if I could be sure that it never talks to Google servers, it would make the very short list.

But I don't need a new phone, my current one is fine.
 
I type pretty fast too on the iPhone but tactile feedback means you don't need to 1) rely on an autocorrect as much and 2) have to regularly correct the autocorrect.

I keep hearing about the importance of tactile feedback, but I don't really get it. At first it's disconcerting to type on a flat piece of glass, but after awhile it's not. I can see the argument for "raised keys" or "bigger keys" or "more space between keys," but I don't see why my finger needs some sort of click/buzz/snap/vibration/whatever just to tell it it's doing something - once it gets used to the lack of such sensation. Isn't the finger/brain combo smart enough to figure this out with a little conditioning? In my experience, yes.

My biggest goofs with the iPhone keyboard are when my fingers aren't properly oriented over the correct keys (which sometimes happens even on my computer keyboard, so tactile feedback doesn't necessarily cure that problem) or when the autocorrect gets a little over-insistent.
 
Perhaps you're surprised that I can look at something open-minded, like the Iphone user who did that review.

Odd, I've never seen you post any review (or comment) favorable to Apple. Sounds like your "open-mindedness" has its limits.

Of course the term "open-minded," when used in debate, typically just means "anything that agrees with my opinion in opposition to yours."

Perhaps there is an Android forum somewhere where, in addition to singing the praises of Windows Mobile (obviously), you also post pro-iPhone anti-Android reviews. Sure, it may leave a bad taste in your mouth, but anything to advance the Redmond United Order.
 
I keep hearing about the importance of tactile feedback, but I don't really get it. At first it's disconcerting to type on a flat piece of glass, but after awhile it's not. I can see the argument for "raised keys" or "bigger keys" or "more space between keys," but I don't see why my finger needs some sort of click/buzz/snap/vibration/whatever just to tell it it's doing something - once it gets used to the lack of such sensation. Isn't the finger/brain combo smart enough to figure this out with a little conditioning? In my experience, yes.

My biggest goofs with the iPhone keyboard are when my fingers aren't properly oriented over the correct keys (which sometimes happens even on my computer keyboard, so tactile feedback doesn't necessarily cure that problem) or when the autocorrect gets a little over-insistent.

Without tactile feedback you don't have a real reference to gauge where you should be hitting. No f-j bumps, no boundaries between the keys because there are no keys period. You eyes tend to do double work - they have to pay attention to where you're placing your fingers in addition to watching the message appear on the screen. It's like playing a violin without frets. It's doable and there's an art to it, but in business, you just want song played as quickly and painlessly as possible.
 
Odd, I'm seeing the "super robot phone" ads on primetime TV, and I'm hearing the "Droid is a kick-arse 4x4 of a phone, YEEEEEAAARRGH!!!" ads on the radio.

Well, that's the Droid, and Verizon/Motorola, not the HTC Google phone, right? What Motorola does isn't necessarily relevant to the HTC/TMobile/Google partnered device.

Either way, that was my point...they're advertising (aka marketing) the phone to everyone, including Susie Homemaker. You can tell by what venues you see the ads on and what you don't.


The only thing the iPhone can't do that may or may not be a problem depending on the business is be used without iTunes ever being needed. (Even then I am not entirely sure this is true, but no one has ever said otherwise).

It's possible to use an iPhone that never touches iTunes beyond the initial purchasing point/activation at either AT&T or Apple Store. Not sure how that's handled on bulk purchases for corporations. Personally, I don't see large corporations beyond Google-like techy companies going to anything other than Crackberries for quite some time.

If I had to buy a new phone today, the Nexus One would be on the short list. My big concern about it would be privacy - if I could be sure that it never talks to Google servers, it would make the very short list.

But I don't need a new phone, my current one is fine.

I am VERY tempted to test drive a Nexus for a month, but like you, I just can't seem to get past that paranoia of wondering just how much more of my personal/private life's information I'd be giving up to Google by doing it.

Sharp phone, nice hardware, strong OS, but that damned Google profiling comes with it all. :-(
 
Seems like some of the "Android Army" has been active not only here, but on David Pogue's blog: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/technology/personaltech/07pogue-email.html?8cir&emc=cira1

I'm actually really intrigued by the Nexus One, but I am very susceptible to the hype of a fresh new product. I actually loaded up Google checkout with all the information, but couldn't quite pull the trigger. If it worked on AT&T (3G), I definitely would have done the 30 day trial California law allows for.
 
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distortedloop said:
Seems like some of the "Android Army" has been active not only here, but on David Pogue's blog: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/technology/personaltech/07pogue-email.html?8cir&emc=cira1

I'm actually really intrigued by the Nexus One, but I am very susceptible to the hype of a fresh new product. I actually loaded up Google checkout with all the information, but couldn't quite pull the trigger. If it worked on AT&T (3G), I definitely would have done the 30 day trial California law allows for.

That was a brilliant read, thanks for sharing. It's scary how some people take things too far.

I think you're right not getting the Nexus One. Not having 3g when availble would hinder it imo.
 
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That was a brilliant read, thanks for sharing. It's scary how some people take things too far.

I think you're right not getting the Nexus One. Not having 3g when availble would hinder it imo.

Another source of the Android Army: Google shareholders. Google IPOed less than six years ago. It has made 22 billion dollars. This is almost the smae money Apple made in its more than 30 years history.
 
Can anyone explain me why the US versions of the N1 and the Droid don't have multi touch enabled by default, but the EU versions do?

A couple obvious possibilities:

1) Google believes there is some intellectual property reason not to enable it (Apple patents)
2) Google has some sort of agreement with Apple re: multitouch in the U.S., perhaps in exchange for featuring google apps on the iPhone (youtube, maps, etc.)
 
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cumanzor said:

Can anyone explain me why the US versions of the N1 and the Droid don't have multi touch enabled by default, but the EU versions do?

I have absolutely no idea but would be interested to know.

The fact that it's still available for applications is even more confusing.
 
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cmaier said:
Can anyone explain me why the US versions of the N1 and the Droid don't have multi touch enabled by default, but the EU versions do?

A couple obvious possibilities:

1) Google believes there is some intellectual property reason not to enable it (Apple patents)
2) Google has some sort of agreement with Apple re: multitouch in the U.S., perhaps in exchange for featuring google apps on the iPhone (youtube, maps, etc.)

If the Apple patent thing is the case, are they immune ithe EU?

2 good theories imo.
 
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If the Apple patent thing is the case, are they immune ithe EU?

2 good theories imo.

Patents are a country-by-country thing (though the EU has a patent regime - let's ignore that for the moment). It could be that something in a U.S. patent scares google but there is no equivalent European patent. However, I don't know of anything in any actually issued U.S. patent that would prevent multitouch - it's true that apple has many patent applications that could derail anyone else's multitouch, but these have not yet issued (and they may or may not ever issue).

It could be that there is some other patent holder that scares google (but doesn't scare Apple). It could also be that Google is afraid of some of those patent applications, however there is no such thing as "infringing" a patent application.

Based on all that, I lean to theory number two - there is some sort of agrement between these two companies (perhaps an informal one).
 
Patents are a country-by-country thing (though the EU has a patent regime - let's ignore that for the moment). It could be that something in a U.S. patent scares google but there is no equivalent European patent. However, I don't know of anything in any actually issued U.S. patent that would prevent multitouch - it's true that apple has many patent applications that could derail anyone else's multitouch, but these have not yet issued (and they may or may not ever issue).

It could be that there is some other patent holder that scares google (but doesn't scare Apple). It could also be that Google is afraid of some of those patent applications, however there is no such thing as "infringing" a patent application.

Based on all that, I lean to theory number two - there is some sort of agrement between these two companies (perhaps an informal one).

Macrumors has reported this Apple multi-touch patent before. Google it.
 
Macrumors has reported this Apple multi-touch patent before. Google it.

I am familiar with that patent, but it deals with (that is to say, it's only claims relate to) rubber banding and certain scroll behavior, and it certainly would not prevent google from introducing a multitouch device.
 
Macrumors has reported this Apple multi-touch patent before. Google it.

Windows 7 has multi-touch, so Apple's patent must be pretty specific to a particular use of multi-touch. It doesn't cover multi-touch in general.

Multi-touch was first shown in 1982, so there's a lot of prior art.
 
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