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Google Launches 'Talk' Instant Messaging
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Bobafonte said:
I dont believe this for 1 second, more marketshare dosent mean more holes, maybe what youre trying to say is that because of more marketshare more holes are FOUND. I dont believe that either.
Windows' biggest problem is not holes as such but design flaws. For example, Windows is a very unprotected compared to operating systems like linux and osx, everyone runs with administrator privledges, every program has administrator privledges over the system this makes it very easy to screw things up with minimal effort or even through bad programming.
Reading this thread, I was at first annoyed (great, Google wants to step up to the plate with a FIFTH (yes, MSN, ICQ, AOL, Yahoo) major proprietry incompatible IM protocol, which will take off simply because it's Google 
). Then I was excited (they're using Jabber? The open source cross-platform-work-with-nearly-everthing-including-iChat protocol? Great! This could kill the others and open up the world! Go Google! ). And now I'm disappointed and frustrated (all of that work, and they bloody close it off to Google-only servers, essentially removing the "open" from Jabber. Go to the back of the class, you lot ). So now it's back to square one, and back to AdiumX running my MSN, Yahoo, ICQ and now Jabber accounts.
). Then I was excited (they're using Jabber? The open source cross-platform-work-with-nearly-everthing-including-iChat protocol? Great! This could kill the others and open up the world! Go Google! ). And now I'm disappointed and frustrated (all of that work, and they bloody close it off to Google-only servers, essentially removing the "open" from Jabber. Go to the back of the class, you lot ). So now it's back to square one, and back to AdiumX running my MSN, Yahoo, ICQ and now Jabber accounts.
Bobafonte said:
No it's FALSE! Window's has more holes in it than Swiss cheese- and I'm sick and tired of hearing that Window's has more viruses because it's more popular.
Since Mac OSX has been around there has been 0 viruses/spyware/trojans etc that have infected Macs. NONE
And it's not because Mac OSX is obscure- it's because in its very nature it is a secure system. END OF
If you were a virus writer wouldn't you prefer to be the first person to write a Virus for Mac OSX or would you rather add your name to the 65,000+ viruses for Windows??
People remember who was the 1st man on the moon; the 1st man to run a 4 minute mile, the 1st man to climb Everest- the further down that list you are the less unique your accomplishment.
So stop this nonsense please
END OF RANT!!!!
Has anyone tested this yet? How much better than an 'answering machine' it is it? Anyone record it?
Have you guys tried the speech feature in OSX, cool at first, gets F***ing annoying after a while (too mechanical). Plus speech IM-ing would be useless at 1:30am when people are trying to sleep
Have you guys tried the speech feature in OSX, cool at first, gets F***ing annoying after a while (too mechanical). Plus speech IM-ing would be useless at 1:30am when people are trying to sleep
Wow..........
Wow I am amazed at the complete lack business know how in these commits. . Let me address this one at a time. First off google doing this was no surprise at ALL if u have any connections to the business side of instant messaging services u will know that it was well known to AOL/MSN/YAHOO that google was planning this for a good 6 months at least.
Second the reason the google talk client doesn't support msn/aim/yahoo is because google like most smart people don't like getting there ass's sued by 3 other huge corporations (AOL/MSN/YAHOO). Believe me the last thing those companies wont are applications that allow u to connect to their and the their competitors messaging services at the same time. Also i doubt google wants to piss AOL off to much because the search engine that AOL push's to you when u search for something in the AOL client is google. That deal which actually happen a long time ago was really gave google the push that caused it to be as insanely successful search engine it is. As AOL was streaming to it over 20 million people and still do. Course thats not to say that they would not have been successful anyways because no doubt they would have but it more then likely would not as happened nearly as fast, there success.
Thirdly googles successes with there other products has if u think about it mostly do to the fact that they took things out there that desperately needed improving and o approached it from a new unique angle like gmail for example (first to offer massive amounts of space for free and is dam fast and simple.) There search engine obviously because it was vastly superior to any other kind engine out there. Google maps I think is debatable and granted its still beta but it is perfect in almost every imo except 2 things it doesn't make any money and the actual driving directions it gives u sucks compared to say mapquest. Anyways im kind of getting off my point which is that the instant messaging business is driven in a very different way then most other business. Think of it this way you choose your email client such as gmail more then likely because that was the email u liked and it offered features that others didn't (2 gigs of space, fastness) right. Well what made u choose the messaging service you did? I doubt it was features, no u chose the one u did because that is the one all your friends use and you want to be able to talk to your friends. This is how it was for me and this is what all the focus group results say. So google coming this late in the game makes me very much doubt they will be very successful with this.
And also there is a reason apple chose AIM for ichat it was because apple be a real company who can get sued could really only use one service because they would have to get the "ok" from that service. So they chose AIM most likely in my mind because it wasn't MSN who they compete with and AIM has the most active users by far with 40 million. Yahoo comes in 2nd with 30 million and MSN with a tiny 14 million. So why not make the most possible users happy.
Breathes breathes. That was a long post lol but i feel like people so often over look the business side of things on macrumors.
Wow I am amazed at the complete lack business know how in these commits.
. Let me address this one at a time. First off google doing this was no surprise at ALL if u have any connections to the business side of instant messaging services u will know that it was well known to AOL/MSN/YAHOO that google was planning this for a good 6 months at least. Second the reason the google talk client doesn't support msn/aim/yahoo is because google like most smart people don't like getting there ass's sued by 3 other huge corporations (AOL/MSN/YAHOO). Believe me the last thing those companies wont are applications that allow u to connect to their and the their competitors messaging services at the same time. Also i doubt google wants to piss AOL off to much because the search engine that AOL push's to you when u search for something in the AOL client is google. That deal which actually happen a long time ago was really gave google the push that caused it to be as insanely successful search engine it is. As AOL was streaming to it over 20 million people and still do. Course thats not to say that they would not have been successful anyways because no doubt they would have but it more then likely would not as happened nearly as fast, there success.
Thirdly googles successes with there other products has if u think about it mostly do to the fact that they took things out there that desperately needed improving and o approached it from a new unique angle like gmail for example (first to offer massive amounts of space for free and is dam fast and simple.) There search engine obviously because it was vastly superior to any other kind engine out there. Google maps I think is debatable and granted its still beta but it is perfect in almost every imo except 2 things it doesn't make any money and the actual driving directions it gives u sucks compared to say mapquest. Anyways im kind of getting off my point which is that the instant messaging business is driven in a very different way then most other business. Think of it this way you choose your email client such as gmail more then likely because that was the email u liked and it offered features that others didn't (2 gigs of space, fastness) right. Well what made u choose the messaging service you did? I doubt it was features, no u chose the one u did because that is the one all your friends use and you want to be able to talk to your friends. This is how it was for me and this is what all the focus group results say. So google coming this late in the game makes me very much doubt they will be very successful with this.
And also there is a reason apple chose AIM for ichat it was because apple be a real company who can get sued could really only use one service because they would have to get the "ok" from that service. So they chose AIM most likely in my mind because it wasn't MSN who they compete with and AIM has the most active users by far with 40 million. Yahoo comes in 2nd with 30 million and MSN with a tiny 14 million. So why not make the most possible users happy.
Breathes breathes. That was a long post lol but i feel like people so often over look the business side of things on macrumors.
NicP said:
You don't have to run with administrator priveleges, and neither do your programs. In fact, MS recommends AGAINST it and most companies don't give their users administrator priveleges. I've worked at companies where hundreds of thousands of users didn't have administrator priveleges on their computers, even the laptop users.
Any intelligent Windows admin is going to look at statements from people like you and believe you don't know a thing about computers. Not trying to flame, but FUD goes both ways.
With Google Talk in iChat, whenever I log in it tells me about a non-secure Jabber connection, is there anyway to turn the message off to not warn me whenever logging in? It gets quite annoying.
The client itself is pretty bare bones, but the big news isn't really the client (or lack for client for OS X/Linux). It's that Google is putting some weight behind Jabber.
I'll just stick to Trillian/Adium for the moment.
Oh, and maybe it's time to add a Jabber field for the MacRumors user profiles?
I'll just stick to Trillian/Adium for the moment.
Oh, and maybe it's time to add a Jabber field for the MacRumors user profiles?
Vonnie said:
Nonsense !!! Adium is the best out there, just no audio/video but that doesn't work too well for me anyway. But if you need something that supports more than one network (AOL MSN Jabber Yahoo) Adium is the way to go. And I love it. (http://www.adiumx.com/)
Ahasver
greenmonsterman said:
This is EXACTLY what we need. It's based on Jabber, an open standard. It's already used around the world.
Currently IM sucks. Yes it really, really sucks. We have several incompatible proprietary standards. What if email worked like IM does? Suppose you want to send email to your friend. You fire up mail.app for example, and write email using john.doe@somewhere.com-address. Then you decide to send email to another friend. But in order to send him mail, you have to use Thunderbird which uses email address john.doe@overhere.com. No, that is madness.
Same thing with IM. It sucks. What we need is an open standard that anyone can use. And Jabber is it. Unfortunately it hasn't been that widely used. Until now. Google is going to make it mainstream. And I hope that they will crush MSN, AIM and ICQ. The sooner we rid ourselves from that crap, the better off we will be.
nsjoker said:we want the app. google neglects mac users like it's their friggin' job... what's the deal with them?? you'd think with all their resources they'd port things like google earth, gmail notifier, desktop search (not that i'd want it), and google talk to OS X
I would guess that there are lots of Jabber-client for Mac. use one of them! They should work with thise service just fine, you do not need official Google-client!
biohazard_6969 said:
you just don't "get it". AIM/MSN/yahoo/ICQ and the like are closed protocols. Google uses an open standard. If they supported those closed standards, they would merely support the status quo. And status quo sucks. We have several incompatible proprietary systems that do not talk to each other. Google is attempting to fix that by using an open standard. Web is universal, email is universal. IM is not. Google/jabber could fix that.
microsoft, up until very recently took security seriously in consumer based Windows... Don't believe me, do a search, microsoft actually stated this - it was to put the point across that microsoft were now serious about security.
Windows IS less secure than OSX, in its design. Of course the more popular an OS gets, more holes will be found, but it doesn't mean to say that OSX is less or equal to microsoft when it comes to security. When I say security i mean how tight the code against hacks etc.
Apple do not have to fix all the security holes in its OS, remember a lot of it is opensource ( Apache, ssh, ftp et al ), and open source on the whole, gets bugs fixed faster than an organisation, such as microsoft. This gives Apple an edge, they get such fixes for free, they just repackage back into osx.
OSX has been evaluated many times and found to be quite secure, mainly thanks to its BSD roots. This is a good guide, or perfect because its not the real world.
Applescript for one, i bet, is really insecure.
Windows IS less secure than OSX, in its design. Of course the more popular an OS gets, more holes will be found, but it doesn't mean to say that OSX is less or equal to microsoft when it comes to security. When I say security i mean how tight the code against hacks etc.
Apple do not have to fix all the security holes in its OS, remember a lot of it is opensource ( Apache, ssh, ftp et al ), and open source on the whole, gets bugs fixed faster than an organisation, such as microsoft. This gives Apple an edge, they get such fixes for free, they just repackage back into osx.
OSX has been evaluated many times and found to be quite secure, mainly thanks to its BSD roots. This is a good guide, or perfect because its not the real world.
Applescript for one, i bet, is really insecure.
Bobafonte said:
switchr92 said:
Its Beta, what do people not understand about that?!!!!!! Its rough around the edges etc. Actually, its a waste land, as some one else described it. This may be detrimental for Google by releasing such a feature incomplete messenger. People do not understand the word 'BETA'.... ( as can be seen from these boards, firstly ).
Google would have to pay license fees if they piggybacked on AIM, yahoo and MSN... do YOU think they would want to do that? Why would google want to? Initial higher uptake but they'd be limited to how they can expand in the future.
Google have taken a really good step forward, using open protocol - Jabber. Its just a shame they limit it to their servers. Perhaps this will change.
Oh, for the other poster, Google doesn't need a Mac version for Google Talk to be successful.... as evident by AIM, Yahoo, MSN.
Voice chat on iChat
Ok,
I have read like 5 different methods on how to enable voice chat on iChat and talk to someone who is running Gtalk on a PC.... NONE of them worked. In fact some of the instructions steps were not even doable cause the features aren't even there!
Does anyone have any clue as to how to make it work? Please send me a private message or something
Ok,
I have read like 5 different methods on how to enable voice chat on iChat and talk to someone who is running Gtalk on a PC.... NONE of them worked. In fact some of the instructions steps were not even doable cause the features aren't even there!
Does anyone have any clue as to how to make it work? Please send me a private message or something
It's probably been said a million times already, but do we really need another messaging client, especially one that isn't compatible with other clients? Plus, there doesn't appear to be a Mac version anyway... Not excited about this in the least...