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When Google says that something is "ineffective," what they mean is, "Waaaah!!! We don't control something."

Google is currently one of the most invasive, user-abusing companies on the planet. Google is worse than Microsoft was when Bill Gates was running it.
They all(Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.) abuse, and needs to be pulled back to reality by laws and regulations.
Sadly the laws and order are a bit slow at that.

Microsoft got what they deserved, now it's Apple, Google, Facebook at focus of the Justitia, and maybe in 5-10 years it's Microsoft again.
 
When I stopped using all of Google's services, switching from gmail to my own domain, Google to Duck Duck Go, and Chrome to Firefox, privacy stopped being an issue for me.

I still use Facebook all the time, but the ads that I find across the internet look the same as ads from any other media now. Advertisers have no idea who I am - they just know which website the ad is being served on, and that's fine with me.

I don't believe a word from Google OR APPLE on this matter. Apple is in Google's pocket.

Google pays Apple billions of dollars to:
1 - Make Google the default search provider in Safari.
2 - Leave tracking and ads untouched within Safari.
3 - Cripple all browsers that aren't Safari.
4 - Attack Facebook, Google's biggest competitor.
5 - Promote the idea that our privacy problems stem from Facebook, not Google.

This is slander, and I hope Apple takes note of it.
 
I’m seriously considering starting a business and creating a social media platform that costs £1/$1 a year and has no tracking, advertising, snooping etc of any kind and making it impossible to do so. Have spoken to a few people that code for a living and they have assured me it can be done. Have quite a bit of money set aside to start it. Bit of a poll for you all…
If everyone on the planet subscribed, you would earn about $7 billion dollars a year. I would suggest that would not be enough to cover costs. $1 a month may not even cover costs. Infrastructure (Data Centers, Networks, Servers) are very expensive. Not to mention the people required to operate them.
 
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If everyone on the planet subscribed, you would earn about $7 billion dollars a year. I would suggest that would not be enough to cover costs. $1 a month may not even cover costs. Infrastructure (Data Centers, Networks, Servers) are very expensive. Not to mention the people required to operate them.
Well, he could still optionally misuse your data later ;), just like Apple, Google and Facebook did and still does.
Cheers!
 
Well, when I fill up my car, they don't know my name.
They might log my license plate, but has no access to the license plate owner infos.

Through the AppleID and ServerLogs they track you from the top down to the toes.

Just to quickly sum up a bit...

AppleID(Full name incl. Address)
|- Apple Music (usage and listening preferences)
|- Apple Store (usage and App preferences)
|- Apple Store Ads (interests)
|- Apple Apps usage (stats and interests)
|- Browser usage (all kind of stuff)
|- Third-Party App usage (kill competiton, explore new market, probably more)
|- Apple *OS usage (stats, obsolete features, probably more)
|- Apple Hardware usage (stats, sales, probably more)
|- Photos (CSAM, Face detection, locations)
|- Find My (includes all your locations)
|- App Logs(includes all kind of stuff)
|- Private Relay (Internet IPs with optional gatekeeping in the future)
|- Apple Watch (Your Activity)
|- Health App (Your Health Infos)
|- Contacts (All the people you communicate with)
|- iCloud (Your Documents and unencrypted iCloud Backups for scraping infos)
|- and much more...

Looks like Apple cross App track better than Third-Party Apps.
Simply join these Infos and you get the perfect transparent loyal customer, Apple really is not in a better light than Google.

Use both with care!
Agreed. Apple “protects” your data and habits by not sharing them with third party apps, but has no problem mining that data for their own purposes.

It’s always the same 15-20 people spouting the same anti-Google nonsense every time there is one of these reveals.

Google sucks
Google creates nothing
Google is just an ad company

Funny, I distinctly remember web search engines pretty lousy before Google came on the scene. I also seem to see a lot of non-IOS devices out there running something called Android. Didn’t Google CREATE Android? And while early Android was a an obvious rip-off in appearance from iOS, it’s functionality was FAR superior to iOS. So much so that you had jailbreak your device to customize it to the level that Android could customized out of the box.

These arguments are old and tired. Get new facts that fit today, not 15-20 years ago. You are irrelevant and so is your opinion.

Neither company, Google or Apple, have your best interests in mind. They serve one master: the bottom line. There is no such thing as a moral, publicly traded company.
 
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Inspired by Casablanca:

"I am shocked, shocked and appalled that privacy data gathering is going on in here."

"Last quarters earnings from all the privacy data Google hovered up."

"Oh, thank you very much."
 
So what they’re saying is they won’t collect data from Android users, but will continue to do so with iOS devices, which research shows has the most valuable data. Oh.. ok.

It seems weird you have to buy into their ecosystem for privacy, or pay with your data. Either way you’ll pay.
 
I’m seriously considering starting a business and creating a social media platform that costs £1/$1 a year and has no tracking, advertising, snooping etc of any kind and making it impossible to do so. Have spoken to a few people that code for a living and they have assured me it can be done. Have quite a bit of money set aside to start it. Bit of a poll for you all…

Would you pay £1/$1 a year for a social media platform with no ads, no tracking of any kind if it was really well coded and offered similar features to Facebook ?

Already have a brilliant brand name, design and list of features that I think would be better than the competition as it is now, never mind what more I could add at a later date.

To add it would be totally platform independent and not reliant on AWS, Google or anybody. Own servers, own rules, own cast iron guarantee of absolutely bo tracking or adverts and I’d encourage professionals to come and visit and check whenever they would want. Basically a good, honest company.
Private social media is a bit of an oxymoron. People on social media don’t REALLY want privacy. If they wanted privacy, they wouldn’t be on social media. :) They want an engine that will go through their pictures, posts, etc. determine what other users might be interested in seeing their posts and to be connected with those users in an effort to increase their influence, grow their “friends” list, etc.

I’m MOST certain that it can be built. I’m also sure that there are folks willing to take your money to build it for you. :) But, $1 a year won’t even come close to providing the funds required to continuously maintain the security of the site as new exploits are discovered. And, since you’re not on AWS or Google, you’re going to have to pay for a team capable of keeping a the systems up, hardware firmware patched, routers protected, (plus multiple replicated sites to avoid outages) and available for potentially millions of customers. And, that’s even before you get into the effort of your teams that would be required to moderate the service. And, with ZERO tracking, it would be very difficult to have functional groups (as, on the back end, you’d need to track what groups they belong to).

If the idea is that it runs at a loss because you’ve got enough personal money to keep it going, then it could be a good service for a lot of folks that ONLY want to share with a known group of people. As others have mentioned, though, they’re already doing that for free elsewhere, so they would need an incentive to migrate. The cost I don’t think would be a big problem as the “money haver’s” in the folks that want to share likely wouldn’t mind paying $20 for spots for themselves and 19 others.
 
I prefer Apple's approach so I don't have to read the fine print.

I wish we had more choices of phone OS. The duopoly means we consumers are going to get screwed no matter what.
 
Agreed. Apple “protects” your data and habits by not sharing them with third party apps, but has no problem mining that data for their own purposes.

It’s always the same 15-20 people spouting the same anti-Google nonsense every time there is one of these reveals.

Google sucks
Google creates nothing
Google is just an ad company

Funny, I distinctly remember web search engines pretty lousy before Google came on the scene. I also seem to see a lot of non-IOS devices out there running something called Android. Didn’t Google CREATE Android? And while early Android was a an obvious rip-off in appearance from iOS, it’s functionality was FAR superior to iOS. So much so that you had jailbreak your device to customize it to the level that Android could customized out of the box.

These arguments are old and tired. Get new facts that fit today, not 15-20 years ago. You are irrelevant and so is your opinion.

Neither company, Google or Apple, have your best interests in mind. They serve one master: the bottom line. There is no such thing as a moral, publicly traded company.
Google bought android, they did NOT create Android.
 
Announcing Privacy Sandbox today, Google seemingly took aim at Apple's ATT framework, saying "blunt approaches are proving ineffective" and that "other platforms have taken a different approach to ads privacy, bluntly restricting existing technologies used by developers and advertisers." The goal with Privacy Sandbox is for "users [to] know their information is protected, and developers and businesses have the tools to succeed on mobile," according to Google.
What a spin, the creators of ad tracking, now want to be the good guys.
Any site that uses google ads will add dozens of trackers right now for google and their partners.
 
More "private" advertising solutions?

How about just respect people's privacy and not track anything?
 
I don't trust Apple and I dont trust Google.

Sadly I dont think Apple is any better than Google anymore either when it comes to privacy...
 
Google Launching Privacy Sandbox to Limit Ad Tracking on Android.

“Fish are Friends, Not food”

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Google has announced plans to strengthen user privacy on Android with a new initiative that will put an end to cross-app tracking on Android over the next two years, making it more difficult for advertisers to track users across other apps.

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In a blog post, Google announced a multi-year project named "Privacy Sandbox" that introduces "more private advertising solutions" for mobile apps. The cornerstone of Privacy Sandbox will limit data shared with other third-party apps, making it more difficult for advertisers to build a profile of users for targeted advertising purposes.

The new initiative will draw similarities with Apple's App Tracking Transparency framework (ATT) that launched with iOS 14.5 last year. Unlike Apple's ATT, which requires all apps to ask for user consent before tracking them across other apps and websites, however, Google's Privacy Sandbox will limit app ability as default while also looking for new privacy-preserving ways to enable mobile advertising.

Announcing Privacy Sandbox today, Google seemingly took aim at Apple's ATT framework, saying "blunt approaches are proving ineffective" and that "other platforms have taken a different approach to ads privacy, bluntly restricting existing technologies used by developers and advertisers." The goal with Privacy Sandbox is for "users [to] know their information is protected, and developers and businesses have the tools to succeed on mobile," according to Google.

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Apple's ATT prompt shown to all users when an app is first opened on iOS 14.5 and later

Soon after Apple previewed ATT and following its launch with iOS 14.5 last year, Facebook, now renamed to Meta, became vocal about its displeasure with the new requirement amid fears it would significantly impact its advertising business. Its fears seemingly became true, with the social media giant saying ATT will cost it $10 billion in lost revenue this year.

Google's approach is striking a different tone, with Snapchat, who had previously said ATT presented a "risk" to its business, saying in a statement that it is "excited to collaborate with Google to develop new privacy-preserving standards for Android." Google said it would receive input across the industry as it builds Privacy Sandbox over the next two years.

Article Link: Google Launching Privacy Sandbox to Limit Ad Tracking on Android, Calls 'Blunt Approaches' Like Apple's 'Ineffective'
Ineffective.....hahahaha, yea it hits them in their data scraping pocket book!
 
Apple doesn't seem to have a problem with Google's apprach. After all, they make Google the default search engine. if Apple really had an issue with Google or wanted to take a strong "privacy advocate" stand for its users, they wouldn't have been making Google the default search for years now.
 
Or just don't connect it to the internet and use as dumb tv. That's a simple workaround.
Some, don't work without the "Smart" part, even disconnected from the internet, it's a point of failure, if the Smart chip fails, so does the whole TV. I recently had an Insignia TV were the remote only worked via the WIFI chip, and if failed, I could only turn the volume up and down. Couldn't access the menu, or change inputs.
 
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