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Google Looks to Distance Android from Apple vs. Samsung Ruling

twosee said:
No, I think he's just nitpicking at my generalization and totally missed MY point.
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I'm not nitpicking. The original point of contention was that Google had sniped at "Apple" with their "Building on the shoulders of giants", I explained to the poster how that is wrong, that even Google does it and its just a general attitude in the technology industry because it is good.

I pointed out how Apple's OS X acquisition was equivalent to Google's Android acquisition.

Then you started nitpicking because of your silly point that Steve founded both companies...

My last reply to you, I've wasted enough time. Keep ignoring history.
 
twosee said:
No, I think he's just nitpicking at my generalization and totally missed MY point.

All I am asking, is that if it generated from a Steve Jobs product... isn't it basically all "in-house" anyway? Meaning... assume Steve was never ousted in the first place, and given the liberty he had after his return... is it possible that OSX would have arrived at the same point it is now without any acquisitions?
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You can play the what if game all day long. It's irrelevant.
 
Sellewiet said:
Oh please, if Apple can't design a real new body for their iPhone after 5 years, you know that there's something lacking. The "if it ain't broke don't fix" approach doesn't cut it in a fast changing industry. Even cars get a new look after 5 years when the new generation is released. There wasn't anything wrong with how it looked before, but innovation is about going forward. Standing still is going backwards. Same thing applies to the OS.

Maybe Apple's getting afraid to change things, after Antennagate...
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If you look at cars like the Porsche 911, Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari etc, their design changes are also minimal. It's part of what keeps the resale value so high.
 
samcraig said:
You can play the what if game all day long. It's irrelevant.
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What if what ? Steve himself said that he would never have grown had he remained at Apple. For all intent and purposes, Steve himself said OS X and NeXT's work would never have been accomplished had he not left Apple.

So there is no "What if", the answer is no. But people want to live in a world where Apple does everything "in-house" and never "build on the shoulder of giants", let them be. They are in a happy place and are ignorant of the realities of the world. They picked their pill.
 
KnightWRX said:
I'm not nitpicking. The original point of contention was that Google had sniped at "Apple" with their "Building on the shoulders of giants", I explained to the poster how that is wrong, that even Google does it and its just a general attitude in the technology industry because it is good.

I pointed out how Apple's OS X acquisition was equivalent to Google's Android acquisition.

Then you started nitpicking because of your silly point that Steve founded both companies...

My last reply to you, I've wasted enough time. Keep ignoring history.
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You seriously are annoying and impossible to communicate with on this thread. If it's not your point, you have nothing to say. You come across as an angry, bitter person.

I never disagreed with you that both companies acquire other companies. All I mentioned was that those two acquisitions are not all that similar. my "Silly" comment, as you put it, is valid. There is an obvious "common" between Apple, Steve Jobs, and NeXT. There wasn't one similar between Google and Android. (And I'm not taking a swipe at Google, BTW).

But I'm done with you, man. A poster can't have a friendly, honest discussion with you, without you taking offense, insulting and belittling them as if they were children. You take posts on here too seriously.
 
KnightWRX said:
What if what ? Steve himself said that he would never have grown had he remained at Apple. For all intent and purposes, Steve himself said OS X and NeXT's work would never have been accomplished had he not left Apple.

So there is no "What if", the answer is no. But people want to live in a world where Apple does everything "in-house" and never "build on the shoulder of giants", let them be. They are in a happy place and are ignorant of the realities of the world. They picked their pill.
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Yes. But by that logic - Steve himself wouldn't know what he could or could not accomplish. The course of events is the course of events and this is where we are. Any discussion outside the current timeline is irrelevant. That's my point.
 
Dr McKay said:
Source, weird it was the link to Doctor Cox in Scrubs singing "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!"
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Except your source doesn't support your claim. It's from November 2007. 10 months after the iPhone was first demonstrated.

eezing said:
iChrist said:
Question now is will Apple innovate again? iOS has been same for 5 years. Boring.
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Has it?

iOS Version History
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In my experience "iOS is boring" and "iOS hasn't changed since it was announced" and "iOS needs a UI overhaul" are all code for "I want widgets." :D
 
samcraig said:
Millions of people are buying Android phones, because they know, like iOS, their phones work for their real-world situations.

By your own admittance though - you don't expect Apple to be all that innovative in the future. "If you have something that works, you don't radically change it."

And while there is similarities among the OSes - in no way is it a clone. At all.
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I never said that. Apple doesn't have to change the layout that many people association with iOS; it doesn't mean they don't innovate or change how things work under the hood though.
 
twosee said:
I doubt Apple will go after Google. Both are HUGE companies with HUGE patent portfolios. It's like two superpower nations with an arsenal of nukes. Apple will sue google for pinch and zoom, google will sue apple for Notification, Apple sues for OS-Wide search, google will sue for voice... or whatever (don't know who has what patent). I think they will both just agree to cross license patents as Apple has done with Microsoft. I think the Samsung touched apple too closely because of the obvious copy on MANY aspects, not just "rounded rectangles" or "green call button" as I've seen people allude to on these forums.
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I agree, your scenario sounds like the best way to get on with life and creating useful things.

However, we are all well aware of Steve's stubbornness when it came to grudges. And so far, Tim Cook seems to be executing his last wishes to the letter.
 
Oletros said:
Their design has changed a lot.
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yes, but not as drastic as you would think. It's changed slowly over years.

Here's a 2000 911 carrera and a 2010. ten years apart.

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Sellewiet said:
Oh please, if Apple can't design a real new body for their iPhone after 5 years, you know that there's something lacking. The "if it ain't broke don't fix" approach doesn't cut it in a fast changing industry. Even cars get a new look after 5 years when the new generation is released. There wasn't anything wrong with how it looked before, but innovation is about going forward. Standing still is going backwards. Same thing applies to the OS.

Maybe Apple's getting afraid to change things, after Antennagate...
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Why change something that is working? Huh? I know the Android-bots on the forum will cry about it but majority of people don't care about stupid things like a minor increase to screen size. A phone is a phone - if they wanted a tablet, they'd get a tablet.

Tech nerds might care about a slightly bigger body but that doesn't mean that everyone needs to change the design every year.

It's part of the reason why Google's Android will be forever a hobby while iOS will be a consumer device that people want. You don't change a brand just because.

Apple gets it. Samsung and Google don't.
 
twosee said:
Did Apple claim to have invented Pinch to Zoom, or did they just patent it on their phone? And whether or not the patents become invalid in the future, they are valid now which allows Apple, or any company holding patents, to protect them. Just because YOU or Samsung or anyone else think the law is dumb, doesn't give you the right to ignore it.
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I can ignore what ever the heck i like because i dont live in America.

Thank god.
 
pandamonia said:
I can ignore what ever the heck i like because i dont live in America.

Thank god.
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Hahaha! touché.

But regardless, I'm sure in your country there are a few silly laws. Still ridiculous, but you have to abide by them.

Personally, I think many of those patents, and the some of the patent laws are a bit ridiculous, but these corporations are using every law, loophole, tax code possible to increase profits, and grow their business. Apple, Google, MS... Whomever. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it were all just a game to these companies. They are still making money, getting publicity, having countless passionate consumers like us talking about it, and going out and buying their products.
 
rmwebs said:
Off the top of my head, I'd like the following (mainly for the iPad as the screen is massively wasted at the moment):

- Split windows (e.g have a browser open on the left, and notes open on the right)
- WebOS style 'fan' application switching (seriously, WebOS is AMAZING, it's a completely unique OS that should have blown iOS out of the water, but didn't due to the incompetent CEO at HP)
- Manual icon movement
- Move the dock
- shortcuts on the top bar to toggle wifi/bluetooth/airplane/etc
- Updated UI
- Allow non-sandboxed browsers (e.g so the likes of Chrome can use their own copy of webkit)
- 3rd Party apps that dont require a jailbreak (i.e allow them to be downloaded via a browser, like you would on Android or on a desktop OS)
- Filesystem access (not a major thing, but would make cross-app files easier to deal with)
- Homescreen widgets (again, allow 3rd party non-app-store ones too)
- Lockscreen widgets (as above)
- Set default apps (e.g set a default mail app, browser, etc)
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Some of this IMO is TMI (Too much information). One of the best things about the iPhone (iOS) is the App Store. Locking you into one way to get apps makes sure Dev's get paid, and that your phone is at a much lower risk of getting hacked by some malware off of some unknown or hacked site. This will NEVER happen, as Apple will not change there mind on this what so ever. Not to mention OS X is moving in that walled garden approach to getting your software. Trusting from trusted sources (Apple, and Known vendors) vs from any website.

Widgets are neat for about 4 minutes. They are pretty, and look nice and all, but past that (For me) useless, I need the app more then what a Widget will give me. For what a Widget would do for me, the notification pull down would work just fine. I'm not checking the weather every 10 minutes, or stocks. But, if I was to, its in the Notification pull down. As is my news apps, and messages, etc. So, I'm sure its nice for some, but for me its in the way.

The top of the (tool bar) on Android phones are again, TMI. I used one (HTC) and I don't know what's being represented by what (clearly). Maybe a bigger screen would help with that, but on the phone I used. It was just too much going on there. Not to mention the use of "menu, or other buttons" on the phone to get to things. As this changes from phone to phone. I'd shoot myself moving from one Droid type phone to the next. .....

ahhhh. I'm done. Sorry for the rant, but I literally used my dad's S3 and my Mom's HTC (don't know the model). And both which similar enough to work with going back and forth. The phones themselves aren't. There responsiveness were very different (S3 much smoother). And of course what's on the home screen was different. I'm happy they like there phone, but I actually get to what I want faster on my 4S they they do on there phones.

However, I would be willing to accept the split screen on the iPad feature. As there is enough space to work more then one application at a time, at the same time (for some apps, even iPhone only apps!) Not sure how well that would run, but it would be worth a shot.
 
tbrinkma said:
To be fair, he supported his dismissal of SeattleMoose's rant with every bit as much evidence as SeattleMoose supplied in making his rant. :p
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To be fair, you are right, although that was not the point I wanted to make.
 
Can you spell MONOPOLY

Way to go Apple...force us all into having no options but you. I left Apple for Android months ago and have never been happier. Too bad. Wouldn't the same logic apply to cars...."wahh...you car is rectangular with curved edges and wheels that are round. Idiots.
 
Flitzy said:
No, I actually have; and like everything Google does, it's ugly and disorganized.

It absolutely explains why Android is for playing and tinkering until people get a real phone that works and looks good.

I count down the days eagerly until Google puts up the "closed for business" sign and fades off to obscurity.
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Googles profits, revenue, user base, climb every single day. Good luck.

And people must perfer Android, because its steaming ahead in Market share, rapidly.

I had an iPhone for quite some time, I left it for Android, ISC and JB are so far ahead.

If apple can get iOS up to spec, and make better hardware, I'll go back to iOS. An OS is a tool, nothing more, nothing less, I'll buy the one that does the job the best. For me.
 
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LordVic said:
Wat has Android stolen from iOS in particular?

> Bounce Back scrolling
> Swipe to unlock.

Are you goign to tell me that copying these two items (and it's still debatable), is Copying iOS?

No, no. Seriously.
What exactly did Android copy from Apple?
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The - at the time uniquely - Sleek look and feel of iOS. True, that is maybe not patentable, but it doesn't make it any less copied. Given the timeline of iOS and ANDROID's respective releases, I can't accept that it was purely coincidental. As a semi-insider, Eric Schmidt saw what was at the time 'ground-breaking' innovation and literally 'ran' with it, changing enough small things to make it NOT look like it was copied, while retaining the overall polish and sheen of iOS.

Whether it be APPLE or any other company: Innovators earn most people's respect and admiration; not 'also-rans'.

GOOGLE has undoubtedly THE BEST search engine available, almost revolutionary at the time, and their MAPS and STREETVIEW are awesome products, but ANDROID imho was a well-disguised stolen product.
 
dampfnudel said:
So if Google gets the patent, Apple will have to remove the pull down implementation of notifications in iOS 6 or 7 (unless Apple and Google decide to share).
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I don't see how Google could get a patent for notifications now. It is now widely used and could be considered prior art or whatever the legal definition might be. The should of patented it a long time ago.
 
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