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Google Looks to Distance Android from Apple vs. Samsung Ruling

monkor said:
Previously, I thought Apple was acting like a whiny little kid, but then I realized that by copying and not innovating their way to the top, Samsung hurt the consumer in more ways than one. You don't see HTC getting sued, because their Sense skin and designs are unique/innovative. Yet HTC is being shafted in overall market share because Samsung's copycat phones are selling like hotcakes. It's disappointing, to say the least. Same goes for Motorola, whose RAZR Maxx has fantastic battery life and truly helped all companies in maximizing the battery potential in smart phones. Yet they're falling behind further still in market share, making it harder and harder to compete.
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Interesting point. So, one could make the argument that Samsung owes HTC and Motorola damages, instead of Apple.

I suspect that few people who desire an iPad actively seek out a Samsung device instead. I believe people who buy Samsung just want "something not from Apple". Samsung's stuff isn't competing with Apple's, it's competing with all the other second-tier manufacturers.
 
iChrist said:
Question now is will Apple innovate again? iOS has been same for 5 years. Boring.
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So sorry for all your bordom. Apple is constantly innovating. Innovation is not appearance change, it's mostly functionality change. We're seeing constant changes in functionality, e.g., iOS 6.
 
tdream said:
No it's doesn't, I not sure what that's meant to refer to but I'll take it as disagreement.

I agree that Apple are using/abusing a corrupt system. Much like when Apple get patents from companies that don't make products using the patent. Apple are collecting a warchest, everybody knows this. For example, clamshell phones. I don't think we're going to see a clamshell phone design from Apple anytime soon, yet they own the patent for this. Strangely clamshell has been done already, but Apple are seeking to patent it nonetheless.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/03/apple-patents-c/

It's one thing to collect patents for corporation protection, it's another to use it to sue another company. Therefore IMO Apple are patent trolls.
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Or how about the fact about a month or two ago Apple has somehow patented using NFC technology to check in at airports.

Not NFC technology.
Not Checking in at Airports.
Not the software involved in it
Not the hardware involved in it

The AcT of using NFC to check in at an airport.

Just mull on that for a minute...

Done?

Ok, now what this basically says, is that anyone who uses NFC (not apples technology) to check in at an airport (not apples technology) using any hardware / software combination (not apples technology)...

Is patent infringing on Apple.

These patents should never be given. The US patent system IS a laughing stock around the world. And Apple is abusing it to attempt to monopolize its position.
 
tdream said:
No it's doesn't, I not sure what that's meant to refer to but I'll take it as disagreement.

I agree that Apple are using/abusing a corrupt system. Much like when Apple get patents from companies that don't make products using the patent. Apple are collecting a warchest, everybody knows this. For example, clamshell phones. I don't think we're going to see a clamshell phone design from Apple anytime soon, yet they own the patent for this. Strangely clamshell has been done already, but Apple are seeking to patent it nonetheless.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/03/apple-patents-c/

It's one thing to collect patents for corporation protection, it's another to use it to sue another company. Therefore IMO Apple are patent trolls.
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You just PROVED my whole point! Apple have got the patent in AMERICA on clam shell phones, a design that has existed for years and years again long before Apple ever thought of a phone, yet Apple have the patent.

So if the system in America wasn't entirely broken, how the hell did they get the patent?

It's funny because this is the reason in other courts in other country's Apples cases have generally been thrown out, and will continue to be so.
 
Hey Samsung, you stink, please step away from us.

You friend Google.
(From the guys who stole the iPhone idea while sitting on the Apple board)

Sure do no evil, just steal and lie :mad:
 
Will do good said:
Hey Samsung, you stink, please step away from us.

You friend Google.
(From the guys who stole the iPhone idea while sitting on the Apple board)

Sure do no evil, just steal and lie :mad:
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That's correct.

But if other companies didn't steal the idea to build cars from mercedes, you would either drive one or ride a horse.

Where does this believe come from, that as soon as a new product is "invented" there should be a granted monopoly for the inventor ?
 
LordVic said:
Or how about the fact about a month or two ago Apple has somehow patented using NFC technology to check in at airports.

Not NFC technology.
Not Checking in at Airports.
Not the software involved in it
Not the hardware involved in it

The AcT of using NFC to check in at an airport.

Just mull on that for a minute...

Done?

Ok, now what this basically says, is that anyone who uses NFC (not apples technology) to check in at an airport (not apples technology) using any hardware / software combination (not apples technology)...

Is patent infringing on Apple.

These patents should never be given. The US patent system IS a laughing stock around the world. And Apple is abusing it to attempt to monopolize its position.
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You should try doing some mulling yourself. You seem to have no idea about how patents work.
 
apolloa said:
You just PROVED my whole point! Apple have got the patent in AMERICA on clam shell phones, a design that has existed for years and years again long before Apple ever thought of a phone, yet Apple have the patent.

So if the system in America wasn't entirely broken, how the hell did they get the patent?

It's funny because this is the reason in other courts in other country's Apples cases have generally been thrown out, and will continue to be so.
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I'm not sure you can read because I'm AGREEING WITH YOU.... :confused:

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LordVic said:
Or how about the fact about a month or two ago Apple has somehow patented using NFC technology to check in at airports.

Not NFC technology.
Not Checking in at Airports.
Not the software involved in it
Not the hardware involved in it

The AcT of using NFC to check in at an airport.

Just mull on that for a minute...

Done?

Ok, now what this basically says, is that anyone who uses NFC (not apples technology) to check in at an airport (not apples technology) using any hardware / software combination (not apples technology)...

Is patent infringing on Apple.

These patents should never be given. The US patent system IS a laughing stock around the world. And Apple is abusing it to attempt to monopolize its position.
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Yes it's ludicrous isn't it. It's anti competitive and anti-innovation.
 
Oletros said:
What iPhone idea? Android was bought by Google way before Apple INVITED Schmidt to the Apple board
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I wouldn't say WAY before :

"Google acquired Android Inc. on August 17, 2005, making Android Inc. a wholly owned subsidiary of Google. Key employees of Android Inc., including Andy Rubin, Rich Miner and Chris White, stayed at the company after the acquisition"

Note Andy Rubin ( former Apple guy )

"Schmidt was elected to Apple's board of directors on August 28, 2006. On August 3, 2009, it was announced that Schmidt would resign from the board of directors at Apple due to conflicts of interest amid the growing competition between Google and Apple."

Note Schmidt was privy to the iPhone while on the Apple Board.

So one year between buying Android and Andy Rubin ( manufacturing engineer, 1989 - 1992 ) and joining the Apple board.
 
This verdict is probably the last thing Google wanted to happen. And it comes at just about the worst possible time.

Lets be very clear about one thing: It certainly is possible to design a smartphone and mobile operating system that doesn't infringe on Apple's patents. None of the patents Apple asserted in this suit are Standard-Essential. And so Samsung (or HTC, or Motorola, etc.) can engineer work-arounds for the functions the jury found had been infringed.

The problem is that doing so will further fragment the Android user experience. Even if Google comes up with a workaround for "scroll and bounce back" that is better than Apple's solution, its going to require users to learn a new way of interacting with scroll lists. And App developers that make use of lists are going to have to make two versions.

The reason, IMHO, that Google warned Samsung a few years ago was because they figured that a little bit of patent infringement would probably be tolerated. That Apple would weigh the costs and uncertainties, to say nothing of the negative publicity, involved in litigation, and decide to leave Samsung alone.

Instead, thanks to this verdict, pretty much every smartphone manufacturer using Android has to be waiting for the day Apple sues them. And of the major smartphone manufacturers only Samsung (and Apple, of course) are actually making money. So the HTC's and Motorolas of the world are looking at the potential for billion dollar infringement judgements on top of a business they are already losing money on.

What makes the timing so bad is that Microsoft is making a big push for Windows Phone. All of a sudden, paying the folks up in Redmond $20 a handset (rather than getting Android "for free") doesn't seem like such a bad deal.
 
Peace said:
I wouldn't say WAY before :

"Google acquired Android Inc. on August 17, 2005, making Android Inc. a wholly owned subsidiary of Google. Key employees of Android Inc., including Andy Rubin, Rich Miner and Chris White, stayed at the company after the acquisition"

Note Andy Rubin ( former Apple guy )

"Schmidt was elected to Apple's board of directors on August 28, 2006. On August 3, 2009, it was announced that Schmidt would resign from the board of directors at Apple due to conflicts of interest amid the growing competition between Google and Apple."

Note Schmidt was privy to the iPhone while on the Apple Board.
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He excused himself from those conversations. It's been documented. Further - Steve Jobs himself had nothing but nice words about Schmidt both during and after his resignation.

If Steve Jobs can excuse Schmidt, I think some MR forum members might be able to do the same.
 
pandamonia said:
I bet that half of these patents will be invalidated eventually. Especially the ones Apple claims to have invented but didnt.

There is clear prior art for Pinch to Zoom and Bounce back. They are far to simple patents and should have never been awarded.

But we are looking at the US Patent Office here. The dumbed patent office in the world. The same people who let Microsoft patent the Page Up and down keys.
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Did Apple claim to have invented Pinch to Zoom, or did they just patent it on their phone? And whether or not the patents become invalid in the future, they are valid now which allows Apple, or any company holding patents, to protect them. Just because YOU or Samsung or anyone else think the law is dumb, doesn't give you the right to ignore it.
 
Samsung stole, they got what they deserved. They can easily take a $1 billion hit. Google is next.

That said, some of these patents being granted are ridiculous. The US patent system must be modified.
 
Dr McKay said:
These were both of the Android prototypes that were being used before iPhone, not just the one with the keyboard. Android was originally intended to go on a whole variety of form factors.
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Notice even on the "touchscreen" phone he's still doing almost everything via a directional thumb-pad. :rolleyes:
 
As 9to5Mac pointed out, it's kind of hard to do when the Nexus S was one of the hardest hit phones last week.
 
samcraig said:
He excused himself from those conversations. It's been documented. Further - Steve Jobs himself had nothing but nice words about Schmidt both during and after his resignation.

If Steve Jobs can excuse Schmidt, I think some MR forum members might be able to do the same.
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Steve never excused Schmidt. Just the opposite.

"Also, when Jobs and Schmidt met at the cafe in Palo Alto, Jobs also told Schmidt:
I don’t want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won’t want it. I’ve got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that’s all I want."

From Job's biography :

Steve Jobs was furious when he learned of Google’s plans with Android, famously yelling at then Google CEO Eric Schmidt for what Jobs deemed as being stabbed in the back. You’ll recall that Schmidt, at the time, was a member of Apple’s board of directors before resigning in August 2009 citing conflicting interests.
It’s subsequently been reported that Jobs “hated” Schmidt and recently released excerpts from Jobs’ upcoming biography appear to confirm the depths to which Jobs couldn’t stand Schmidt and was determined to destroy Android. And believe it or not, ‘destroy’ might be putting it mildly.
What truly sent Jobs over the edge was when HTC introduced an Android phone in January 2010 that housed many of the more popular iPhone features. This prompted Apple to sue as Jobs explained to Isaacson that Google’s actions with Android amounted to “grand theft.”
 
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