That survey only interviewed users in the USA. It's clear from the comments on this forum that members from other countries are experiencing a lot more problems than those in the USA.
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That survey only interviewed users in the USA. It's clear from the comments on this forum that members from other countries are experiencing a lot more problems than those in the USA.
Not entirely an accurate statement. The article states "The firm also found that 9 in 10 users hadn't experienced any significant problems"
That's not the same as people not being affected or that they don't care. There's no value statement such as that.
You use your iPhone is "shady areas". Well ain't you the brave one.
As a safety precaution I have a case that makes my iPhone look like a Nokia Lumia 900 - people won't even steal those.
First - they don't need your phone #. They ask for it. You don't have to supply it.
Second - Google doesn't "read" you email - it scans it. Just like any web-based email service could/can - especially when you want to - you know - find an email via the search box.
I'm not saying Google doesn't collect information. But their privacy policy is almost identical to Apple's. So as far as what they DO with the information - you're just as "exposed" to Apple as you are to Google.
Somewhere in time, people started believing that Apple cares about customers more than any other company. You're just as much a $ sign to Apple as Google, ATT, Ford, Exxon, and so on. Good luck thinking otherwise.
So the loss of tens (maybe even hundreds) of millions of iOS users within 48 hours of iOS 6's release doesn't hurt? Not even the slightest little bit?
Someone just got punked! BTW: I was just able to do the same thing while sitting in California...
As long as it's a better incarnation than the latest Android one on my wife's T-Mobile MyTouch 3G - all that seems to do is reboot the phone!
Also possible is that "significant" problems is relative. It's also possible that many people haven't delved deep enough (i.e. the whole Map Kit issue) to determine what is or is not affected in their experience.
That's why surveys and stats never mean all that much because there can be biases in the way the question is asked. Lack of a true range of answers to choose from, etc.
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Anyone here not having trouble with maps? I live in Atlanta, and they're very accurate and fast. The only thing I don't like is the lack of suggestions when I don't get a business name exactly correct.
Anyone here not having trouble with maps? I live in Atlanta, and they're very accurate and fast. The only thing I don't like is the lack of suggestions when I don't get a business name exactly correct.
iAds? Seriously? iAds is a total fail so far. It's a side project that hasn't begin to bear fruit and likely never will.
People buy actual stuff that Apple sells. THAT is Apple's revenue model. They sell real products. Google on the other hand give most of their stuff away for free to support their real revenue model which is advertising.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a huge problem with a certain amount of targeted advertising as long as it doesn't go too far. When a company such as Google are found to have deliberately circumvented MY privacy settings, that I set up in Safari – so they can harvest data on me, I get angry. It's wrong and it's greasy. I lost all respect for Google over that.
At the time I could not find the article posted on Macrumors to get the exact wording. But, its close enough that the problems they may have experienced did not impact their use of iOS 6 or their device in any significant way.
Examples? There's already been one poster from London who went on about how badly Apple Maps laid out Trafalgar Square, only to be proven wrong (or shown to be a liar) by another post, with screenshot (which I was very easily able to duplicate).
So because iAds is a failure - that excuses Apple from collecting the same info as Google. So which are you upset about - privacy - or the fact that google is more successful?
Apple does sell stuff. They also are a middle man for a nice chunk of their revenue.
No one forces anyone to use Googles services. But if you choose to - and you get it for free -then you accept the fact that Google needs to pay for those services somehow. It's not evil. It's a different business model.
But I understand - you didn't like Google's behavior with Safari. And you have every right to have lost favor with them over it. Just like I can lose respect for Apple for releasing a product still in "beta" and tout it like it's the most amazing thing on earth.
Every company has it's good and bad qualities. To me, though, calling a company "evil" is a bit of hyperbole. At the very very very worst - Google is using customer data (anonymously) to target ads. They aren't killing people. They aren't poisoning the water supply. They aren't withholding food from the hungry. Etc.
Note: I am not condoning Google's breach of Safari's security.
The maps thing is interesting - I've found them to be largely excellent and they're getting better all the time. The amount of 3D renders, flyover style, in London seems to be increasing daily and yesterday I found them really useful, even more so than streetview.
Streetview is great for looking at a specific spot but my problem was that the place I was looking for was hard to locate and I was having difficulty orienting myself in the location I was in. There were loads of virtually identical buildings and architecture that was symmetrical so it was hard to be entire sure where I was. Flyover allowed me to take a helicopter view of my surroundings and identify a number of buildings so I could get a sense of my location far more quickly. Streetview isn't so good for that because it's so low level.
I'm no expert at orienteering, I think that much goes without saying, but for me Flyover really came to the rescue. I suspect a lot of people will find it useful in the same sort of way - you can easily pick out buildings in Flyover and use them to get a clear sense of where you are and how to get from where you are to where you want to be. Streetview is great, don't get me wrong, but clearly there is a real, valuable use for Flyover. It's not just eye-candy.
Streetview is great for looking at a specific spot but my problem was that the place I was looking for was hard to locate and I was having difficulty orienting myself in the location I was in. There were loads of virtually identical buildings and architecture that was symmetrical so it was hard to be entire sure where I was. Flyover allowed me to take a helicopter view of my surroundings and identify a number of buildings so I could get a sense of my location far more quickly. Streetview isn't so good for that because it's so low level.
I'm no expert at orienteering, I think that much goes without saying, but for me Flyover really came to the rescue. I suspect a lot of people will find it useful in the same sort of way - you can easily pick out buildings in Flyover and use them to get a clear sense of where you are and how to get from where you are to where you want to be. Streetview is great, don't get me wrong, but clearly there is a real, valuable use for Flyover. It's not just eye-candy.
Right. So it's possible that they still care. It's also possible that they experienced problems. Your original statement was factually incorrect.
If you could use Flyover to locate the general area then drop in to Streetview for a ground level view it would be a winner.
This is kinda what I meant the other day about being a bit aggressive.
The dude made a perfectly reasonable statement that extrapolated from the initial article.
It is fair to say that it is a supposition rather than a demonstrable fact but it was based on sound reasoning - if 9/10 had "no significant problems" then it's fair to say that any problems they did have were not anything worth worrying about - literally insignificant - and that, for all reasonable purposes, they found the maps app to be acceptable (this doesn't tell us much about what they think of as significant or if they used the maps at all - there's more work needed here).
Essentially, I think his statement was sound. You seem to be splitting hairs for the sake of winning some battle or other. There's no need.
Spin it any way you want. This does not invalidate the fact that for the majority of users the problems with Apple maps does not impact them in any significant way.
Agree.
There's a fine line between "indexing" and "data mining".
That is valid for any company that is not a non-profit organization. They give you stuff they think you need and convert you to a paying customer.
Yes, I'm not arguing against that but there is a difference that is huge in my opinion: Apple main business model is to sell hardware and software. Google only business model is to sell, you know, ads and access to their database.