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This is amazingly naive and one of the worst takes I’ve seen on this site. Can you share this staggering data that shows iPhone users switching to Android? A decline in sales and a growing user base wouldn’t support that. If the iPhone is dying, I can’t imagine how Google feels about the Pixel right now. Also, if you plan on throwing out more hyperbole instead of some facts, don’t bother.

I like that he is basically regurgitating the exact same points that had already been addressed in an earlier post (criticism about Apple is kinda predictable and formulaic that way).

It’s like an android fanboy suddenly stumbled across this website and decided to unleash a torrent of all that anti-Apple angst built up over the years, not realising that said arguments have already been parroted and debunked ad nauseum.

Either that or he is not interested in having a genuine conversation at all, given that whatever the response directed at him, he just replies with irrelevant information in bold caps.
 
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Apple is known for its quality and customer satisfaction. Millions of people are willing to pay a premium for their products, assuming the majority of them are just living with hardware defects is ridiculous. I’m not saying Apple is perfect by any means, clearly there are some issues with the MacBook Pro (big reason why I moved on from Mac’s), but the idea that Apple doesn’t make quality products is a huge reach. No, I’m saying that this argument always comes from people who don’t like the fact that Apple has moved on from the Mac.

Apple uses premium materials on the outside to give the impression that their products are better engineered and more reliable. Inside, the components and build quality are essentially the same as competitors. Apple tries to differentiate itself with engineering feats like efficient CPUs, face recognition hardware, unique keyboards, etcetera. Bravo, but they are introducing those while ignoring or compromising established functionality (servicable HDs, ribbon cables, thermal dissipation, etcetera). These aren't defects. They are glaring engineering faux pas that undermine the commendable traits.

Meanwhile, Apple's stores are overwhelmed by customers seeking Genius assistance. It's understandable perhaps in the U.S. where the majority use Apple products, but we're hearing similar reports from countries where Apple products are not as prevalent. Like others have said, we don't know the extent of Apple's repair demands. Anecdotally, every one of my iPhones was replaced by Apple. Virtually all of my acquaintances have had there phones and laptops serviced. All of the creatives I know had iMacs brick within 6 years—some in half that time.

Are Apple products worse quality than alternatives? Who knows? Are they better quality than comparably priced alternatives? Not obviously.
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But they don’t, so that’s nonsense. People like Apple products and the sales show that. Hate on.

But we're not talking about others' reasons for liking Apple. We're talking about your motivation and your unconvincing argument that sales demonstrate product superiority. You know what else sells in the billions? McDonald's.

If I was a hater, I wouldn't have been a member on this site off-and-on since its conception. I was an Apple evangelist while you and the majority of others were using Windows. Where were you guys prior to Apple's iPod and iTunes? Apple had premium hardware and a consumer-friendly OS well before, yet it was snubbed by herd followers and ridiculed by persons like yourself touting Microsoft's market dominance.
 
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No physical buttons at all?
A) Now Sir Ive is screwing up OTHER peoples products as they blindly mimic him.
B) Ive is super pissed they got there first ...

because Apple IS going to do the same thing, Ive hates buttons even more than he hates features ( which is ALOT )

and to the person who made the McDonalds analogy. That is very apt. Steve Jobs' Apple was The French Laundry, Apple with Ive and Cook is McDonalds ... with Nobu prices.
 
Apple uses premium materials on the outside to give the impression that their products are better engineered and more reliable. Inside, the components and build quality are essentially the same as competitors. Apple tries to differentiate itself with engineering feats like efficient CPUs, face recognition hardware, unique keyboards, etcetera. Bravo, but they are introducing those while ignoring or compromising established functionality (servicable HDs, ribbon cables, thermal dissipation, etcetera). These aren't defects. They are glaring engineering faux pas that undermine the commendable traits.

Meanwhile, Apple's stores are overwhelmed by customers seeking Genius assistance. It's understandable perhaps in the U.S. where the majority use Apple products, but we're hearing similar reports from countries where Apple products are not as prevalent. Like others have said, we don't know the extent of Apple's repair demands. Anecdotally, every one of my iPhones was replaced by Apple. Virtually all of my acquaintances have had there phones and laptops serviced. All of the creatives I know had iMacs brick within 6 years—some in half that time.

Are Apple products worse quality than alternatives? Who knows? Are they better quality than comparably priced alternatives? Not obviously.
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But we're not talking about others' reasons for liking Apple. We're talking about your motivation and your unconvincing argument that sales demonstrate product superiority. You know what else sells in the billions? McDonald's.

If I was a hater, I wouldn't have been a member on this site off-and-on since its conception. I was an Apple evangelist while you and the majority of others were using Windows. Where were you guys prior to Apple's iPod and iTunes? Apple had premium hardware and a consumer-friendly OS well before, yet it was snubbed by herd followers and ridiculed by persons like yourself touting Microsoft's market dominance.
What's wrong with McDonald's? No one confuses it for Michelin Star quality food but it serves its purpose too.

Besides, that's apples and oranges. People part with $5-10 for a meal at McDonald's that quick, convenient, and consistent. An Apple product costs hundreds or over a thousand dollars, making the consumer think harder about a purchase.

If you don't think sales mean product superiority, I'd love to hear your logic. Apple sells the whole package. Product, service, support, style, brand, etc. All of it has value to customers.

My whole argument is Apple is a far better company today than before the iPhone, which is why the sales have exploded. They make better stuff now. Give me facts they don't. Don't start talking about anecdotal stories, Mac Keyboards, iPad bending, and one off software bugs. Apple sells 300M devices per year and unless they have a Samsung style recall, I don't consider any of them to be show stopping issues...and you shouldn't either. Those are normal occurrences when a company has the size and scale of Apple.
 
This is amazingly naive and one of the worst takes I’ve seen on this site. Can you share this staggering data that shows iPhone users switching to Android? A decline in sales and a growing user base wouldn’t support that. If the iPhone is dying, I can’t imagine how Google feels about the Pixel right now. Also, if you plan on throwing out more hyperbole instead of some facts, don’t bother.
Keep the denial and delusion alive. It's the only thing crApple has left. -20% down in the past 8 months... and it's only going to get worse....
 
Every time this is pointed out, people go “but the MacBook Pro keyboard!!!” As though Apple sells only laptops and nothing else.

It's an easy one to use as an example as it is so indicative of where they are right now, but the touch issues on the X, multi-touch on the 6, bending iPads due to the structurally poor design, slowing performance on iPhones then having to replace batteries at cost and so on. It all creates a picture that shows Apple is not all there for the customer at the moment.

Is it so hard a concept to understand?

That I expect better from Apple is my view, I feel quite entitled to it after 20 odd years of supporting them and the considerable amount of money I have spent, not just on myself but across the whole family. I am not going to get mad about it, neither will I blindly support Apple by ignoring their shortcomings. As a long time customer, the last few years have been their absolute worse, again in my view and that is across their product range, not just the MBP.

Never have I seen so many abandoning Apple than in recent times. And I don't mean in relation to what is said on this forum.

I have plenty of Apple products today and will no doubt continue to, my support goes to whoever meets my expectations and I will adapt whether that means returning to Windows, using Linux or whatever at that time.

None of that is going to stop me calling out a company that has left me feeling let down.
 
Keep the denial and delusion alive. It's the only thing crApple has left. -20% down in the past 8 months... and it's only going to get worse....

So no staggering data showing iPhone users switching to Android, got it. Pretty much what I expected. Let me know when Apple closes up shop in a few months.
 
That pinhole looks a heck of a lot better than the iPhone X notch, but Google builds crappy hardware. I had the Google Nexus 4, 5, and 5X - all of which routinely overheated and shut off on me. Not sure if they are better now, but that's what led me to purchase my iPhone 6s (which I currently use as my phone). The 6s has been REALLY reliable since I bought it almost 4 years ago.

I'l probably just stick with whatever apple releases as the cheap phone this year. Reliability for phones is my biggest concern.
 
People part with $5-10 for a meal at McDonald's that quick, convenient, and consistent. An Apple product costs hundreds or over a thousand dollars, making the consumer think harder about a purchase.

Someone who uses Apple products out of necessity will weigh the pros and cons. Someone who uses Apple products for pedestrian activities and recreation is going to rationalize why Apple products are worth the additional debt. They probably give more thought to what they can afford to eat, or which fast food meal is a better value, than the scrutiny they give to tech brands. And it is a brand consideration more than it is a product-by-product consideration. I'd wager that most customers choose Apple because it's ecosystem is convenient, consistent, and status quo. I'm also seeing a common explanation for their "loyalty": they are stuck. They are too vested in the ecosystem even if it is losing its luster.

Ask an iPhone X or later owner if they'd buy the same phone without FaceID. Ask an iPad user which productivity features he can't live without. Ask an iWatch owner if the watch improved their fitness or freed them from their phone addiction. When I have, the answers were verbal shrugs. I've gotten better product endorsements from people that use InstaPots.


My whole argument is Apple is a far better company today than before the iPhone, which is why the sales have exploded. They make better stuff now. Give me facts they don't.

Better how? Better engineering that translates into better performance? Like an iMac or MacBook that can only maintain its advertised processor speed for under a minute before it throttles to avoid damage from the heat it produces? As someone cleverly noted, "A faster processor that throttles is no better than a slower one that doesn't."

Better repairability and longevity? You tell me what the data proves.

Better utility? Like a myopic AI assistant that users have to compensate for with scripts?

But you're not concerned about those traits. What you have is adequate for clerical activities, Internet surfing, and grocery lists.

Don't start talking about anecdotal stories, Mac Keyboards, iPad bending, and one off software bugs. Apple sells 300M devices per year and unless they have a Samsung style recall, I don't consider any of them to be show stopping issues...and you shouldn't either.

Which is why, when Apple PR describes an issue as "affecting an insignificant number of users" is actually a significant number of users. If Google sells only 5M devices and has issues with 20 percent, that's newsworthy. If Apple has issues with 1 percent of 100M devices, it's equally newsworthy. Why? Not because the number of defects are equal but how Apple routinely denies an issue's impact and attempts to deflect the problem on the owner. An important part of a brand's reputation is their demonstration of empathy and their willingness to accept responsibility even as an act of charity.

Don't think the Battery Replacement Program had the same breadth as a recall? BatteryGate was an attempt to conceal a handicap. In any event, it proved that Apple is no white hat actor in their industry. They pulled a Bill Clinton (lied) when asked if they throttled older phones. They backpeddled when evidence was found. Their apology and restitution is meaningless. It was nothing but damage control. Going forward, everything they proclaim has to be scrutinized.
 
Don’t be nieve, look at the data and use common sense. Google should take the hint like Microsoft did and quit the mobile hardware game. Stick to ads.
So you've done what the OP has done and provided nothing to back up your statement. Good move there.
 
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Like an iMac or MacBook that can only maintain its advertised processor speed for under a minute before it throttles to avoid damage from the heat it produces? As someone cleverly noted, "A faster processor that throttles is no better than a slower one that doesn't."

Same with the mac mini, although to be fair it can sustain the 3.6ghz base clock speed, just at 95c :)

But you're not concerned about those traits. What you have is adequate for clerical activities, Internet surfing, and grocery lists.

For the most part, I would agree with that, you need to get right into the expensive BTO before it is more capable. Although having said that, for me personally, I use it for coding, which it handles just fine. I would not consider the Mini or the base iMac's for anything more than what you suggested. But I suspect that works for the majority.
 
The hole punch solution is much less obtrusive than the notch. I realize Apple has a lot of hardware in that spot, but I certainly prefer the look of the hole punch.
 
So no staggering data showing iPhone users switching to Android, got it. Pretty much what I expected. Let me know when Apple closes up shop in a few months.
From Business Insider: I switched to Google's new $400 phone, and I'm never going back to $1,000-plus smartphones
Ben Gilbert
5h
  • Google's new $400 smartphone is the company's best in years.
  • I moved from Google's Pixel 2, its 2017 "flagship" smartphone, to the $400 Pixel 3a — and I'm never looking back.
  • With its beautiful screen, powerful processor, and excellent camera, the Pixel 3a proves that there's no reason for smartphones to be as expensive as they've become.
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So no staggering data showing iPhone users switching to Android, got it. Pretty much what I expected. Let me know when Apple closes up shop in a few months.
I've used iPhones for nearly a decade and switched to the Samsung Galaxy S10. Now I understand Android loyalty in a way I never understood before.
 
I'm sad that Google phones are front-page news here and have been for a while. Also sad that I seriously considered buying the Pixel 3a because of the headphone jack (vindication!), but then my iPhone 6 suddenly started working properly again.
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From Business Insider: I switched to Google's new $400 phone, and I'm never going back to $1,000-plus smartphones
Ben Gilbert
5h
  • Google's new $400 smartphone is the company's best in years.
  • I moved from Google's Pixel 2, its 2017 "flagship" smartphone, to the $400 Pixel 3a — and I'm never looking back.
  • With its beautiful screen, powerful processor, and excellent camera, the Pixel 3a proves that there's no reason for smartphones to be as expensive as they've become.
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I've used iPhones for nearly a decade and switched to the Samsung Galaxy S10. Now I understand Android loyalty in a way I never understood before.
So... journalism from Android shills. Those tech sites have been telling me Android phones are da best since the original ones, which were total garbage that nobody used back then.
 
From Business Insider: I switched to Google's new $400 phone, and I'm never going back to $1,000-plus smartphones
Ben Gilbert
5h
  • Google's new $400 smartphone is the company's best in years.
  • I moved from Google's Pixel 2, its 2017 "flagship" smartphone, to the $400 Pixel 3a — and I'm never looking back.
  • With its beautiful screen, powerful processor, and excellent camera, the Pixel 3a proves that there's no reason for smartphones to be as expensive as they've become.
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I've used iPhones for nearly a decade and switched to the Samsung Galaxy S10. Now I understand Android loyalty in a way I never understood before.

Haha one journalist giving their opinion on switching, truly staggering data. Apple is clearly doomed by this overwhelming evidence. I’m not sure they make it to 2020.

Just because you bold or capitalize your posts, doesn’t make them true.
 
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Google seriously should give up on hardware. It's a failure.

They should stick to ads.

They should also stick to maps, google drive, email, android, google news, YouTube, photos and search as well.

Apple should leave all of the above alone cause we all know apple sucks at all the above
 
You need to get the iphone XR for $800 for a camera that is as capable as the camera on the $300 Pixel 3a. And even then your low light pictures on the iphone XR will suck compared to the Pixel 3a. The $300 Pixel 3a is the best phone money can buy right now and is going to be a huge seller for Google. And as a side note it also has a headphone jack and fingerprint reader that the iphone XR totally lacks.

It’s funny how you just dismiss the superior aspects of the comparably priced iPhone and focus solely on the only benefit the pixel offers, while understating the Pixel’s cost, exaggerating the iPhone’s, and then saying the XR lacks a fingerprint sensor as a detractor (it has something better: FaceID).

I can only conclude that you’re irrationally biased, and are incapable of answering in a way that is grounded in fact.
 
It’s funny how you just dismiss the superior aspects of the comparably priced iPhone and focus solely on the only benefit the pixel offers, while understating the Pixel’s cost, exaggerating the iPhone’s, and then saying the XR lacks a fingerprint sensor as a detractor (it has something better: FaceID).

I can only conclude that you’re irrationally biased, and are incapable of answering in a way that is grounded in fact.
Something is better when it works better than the one you had. Yet FaceID does NOT work better, or even always. Android phones have both a face ID AND a fingerprint sensor. In addition:

OOPS! Purchase intent for Apple's iPhones in China reaches 'lowest level EVER,' says UBS
Published: May 23, 2019 12:27 p.m. ET
By EMILYBARY
REPORTER

UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri wrote Thursday that purchase intent for Apple Inc.'s AAPL, -1.71% looks to be stabilizing in most of the world, except for in China. His firm's survey of smartphone owners found that only 17% of Chinese respondents plan to purchase an iPhone in the next 12 months, compared with 22% when the survey was last conducted in October. "The survey has been directionally accurate in predicting demand for the next 12 months," Arcuri wrote. He said that Apple's China numbers face easier comparisons going forward but are still high in the next six months. "We do think a nationalistic movement - similar to the one we saw at the time of the arrest of Huawei's CFO in November - seems quite probable and would impact iPhone sales," Arcuri wrote of trade tensions between the U.S. and China.
 
Most folks of the bluetooth persuasion won't get it, but I wish I could set up a demo illustrating the difference in sound quality between "earbud" quality bluetooth speaker systems and highest quality wired systems interfaced to great DACs (digital to analog converters). I currently have an LG V40, with 4 channel DAC and attendant software for fine adjustment and equalization, interfaced to an old "ancient" 3.5 mm headphone jack. I have a sound bar, which has both bluetooth and 3.5 mm connections, which I can connect to the V40. If I do bluetooth, the soundbar informs me "bluetooth connected", and I get standard bluetooth sound - fine for talk shows and general radio stuff. If I hook the soundbar up to the V40 with a phone jack wire, the soundbar informs me something to the effect, "digital sound adjustments avaliable" (I'm paraphrasing). The difference in sound is way obvious. I mention the soundbar, as it is an easy means to contrast bluetooth with wired sound interfaces. Just saying.
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Wireless charging is a good thing, mainly in that it reduces the need to repeatedly plug in to a hardware port. You can avoid the wear and tear which will eventually compromise the hardware port, whether it be lightning or USB-C. My LG V40 charges quite nicely in a wireless cradle.

Curtvaughan you hit the proverbial nail on the head with your insight into the audio heaven the V series Quad Dacs set up provides. I first got introduced to how good a cell phone's audio could sound with the iconic LG V20. And to experience an even better system through my V40 is just awe inspiring. There just is no comparison between what a good set of wired cans and the quad dac can produce versus a bluetooth set up. It is truly an audiophile's dream.
 
Curtvaughan you hit the proverbial nail on the head with your insight into the audio heaven the V series Quad Dacs set up provides. I first got introduced to how good a cell phone's audio could sound with the iconic LG V20. And to experience an even better system through my V40 is just awe inspiring. There just is no comparison between what a good set of wired cans and the quad dac can produce versus a bluetooth set up. It is truly an audiophile's dream.
We are of the same opinion! Nice to hear from a knowledgeable sound enthusiast. The irony with the directions Apple has taken of late, removing useful ports still common in the computing and audio fields, focusing on slim form over useful function - in contrast to Apple's prior reputation as catering to the art/creative crowd - has been disappointing. I loved the old LG V20, which not only had the high quality DAC and headphone jack - released about the same time as the iPhone 7 which was jackless - it also had a user replaceable battery. I bequeathed my V20 to my wife when I updated to the V40. The V20 may well outlast my V40, as she has 3 batteries she rotates regularly. Yeah, when I contrast the V-series phones in a couple of my Sennheiser cans, both closed and open, there is no comparison to even my 6S+ with phone jack in sound quality. Those DACs are superb. The only way to improve upon them would be to spend hundreds of dollars on dedicated DAC hardware to interface to the speaker systems. Congratulations on your V-phones! I just hope LG will keep producing them.
 
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