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Not what you told us in another thread...

I told you my point for being here. I am a shareholder and this is research for me.

What many find tiresome about your constant references and cheerleading about Apple's financial achievements is that it ignores and excuses the flaws and shortcomings in Apple's execution. People here experience those things and discover that Apple is a typical corporation when it comes to acknowledging and addressing their misteps or mishaps. They have a right and need to share, and are doing a service to others. Your numbers are no consolation.
 
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No, no, no, no. I want tactile buttons. I already have to turn off the iPhone's control panel swipe feature when in apps because I inadvertently activate that as I use my apps. So too much swiping for features right now as it is.

I refuse to buy the iPhone X because of the missing tactile home button (and the notch).

How many times have you silenced your phone with just your hands in the dark in a theatre with the tactile button?

They just want to save a few pennies per phone, these corporations that make billions per quarter. Not buying.
 
Not what you told us in another thread...



What many find tiresome about your constant references and cheerleading about Apple's financial achievements is that it ignores and excuses the flaws and shortcomings in Apple's execution. People here experience those things and discover that Apple is a typical corporation when it comes to acknowledging and addressing their misteps or mishaps. They have a right and need to share, and are doing a service to others. Your numbers are no consolation.
That’s taken out of context. I’m talking about stock research.

It’s part of it, but I don’t decide to buy a stock based on my research here. I was referring to research on company fundamentals when deciding to initiate a position in the stock. I stay up to date on competition and what Apple is doing, but I own the shares based on fundamentals.

Complain all you want. Apple is the most successful financial company in the world because of their execution. No company executes better.
 
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No, no, no, no. I want tactile buttons. I already have to turn off the iPhone's control panel swipe feature when in apps because I inadvertently activate that as I use my apps. So too much swiping for features right now as it is.

I refuse to buy the iPhone X because of the missing tactile home button (and the notch).

How many times have you silenced your phone with just your hands in the dark in a theatre with the tactile button?

They just want to save a few pennies per phone, these corporations that make billions per quarter. Not buying.
I agree with you that corporations are being greedy for cutting features and saving a few pennies. But the greed is totally different for a single digit margin phone at $299 ($399-$100 credit), than a $1000+ phone with 40% margins. And it is the main reason why my iPhone days are long behind me, and by looking at the declining sales of iPhones and the ever increasing sales of Android phones, so are for an ever increasing number of people.
 
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I know a lot of people who track a variety of metrics. My scale tracks about a dozen and automatically sends to apple health. A lot of people track nutrition for a variety of reasons and that auto populates apple health. My hospital records also automatically populate it. My watch feeds heart data to it. Almost every is automatic. I manually enter my blood pressure though. The older you get the more you care about these things. The more you diet or workout the more you may care about it. Depends on the person.

Apple is also great at exercise detection and tracks more than google does. Apple watch can also sync to gym equipment and transfer workout data. I have to wonder if you’ve actually used it? It’s really not even a close comparison so I’m confused by your statement. I have my android phone right here and was exploring google fit and it’s useless. It barely does anything. It’s not even a comparable app. Similar to apples rings app but it's no health app.

What information are you talking about? All the apps I need are available in CarPlay. Everything. I use it every single day. What is it you’re missing? Every music app is there, all the podcast apps, many news apps, many navigation apps. Lots of messaging apps. There's more apps there than i'd ever use!

I have zero issue with voice recognition. From navigation to texting to asking for music and podcasts to be played. I'm often getting texts from my wife and kids and respond often from it.

Have you ever used Android Auto?
 
It does have buttons. They are capacity ones instead of mechanical ones. But they work the same.
https://www.edn.com/design/sensors/...pacitive-sensing-A-step-by-step-guide-Part-I-


iphone 7 camera sucks. The Pixel 3a obliterates it. And price for the Pixel 3a is $399 not $500 and you can get it at $299 with $100 store credit from Google, BestBuy, Amazon and BH.


Yet people don’t necessarily buy phones just f
It does have buttons. They are capacity ones instead of mechanical ones. But they work the same.
https://www.edn.com/design/sensors/...pacitive-sensing-A-step-by-step-guide-Part-I-


iphone 7 camera sucks. The Pixel 3a obliterates it. And price for the Pixel 3a is $399 not $500 and you can get it at $299 with $100 store credit from Google, BestBuy, Amazon and BH.


The camera is its only selling point over the iPhone 7, the 7 is $449, not $500, and similar discounts can be found; its camera does not ‘suck’, it simply isn’t quite as capable as the Pixel’s.
 
This statement seems rather bold. I've yet to encounter hardware failure with any pixel phone, and their cameras are top notch. Not just the software algorithms either. This is the first time that I heard anyone make this statement so boldly lol. The way you ended your statement tells me you might be a fan boy

I owned Nexus 6, 6P, Pixel XL.....I haven't faced any hardware issues in any of these, but 6P after 2 years, battery bulged and their extended warranty was not honoured by their authorised service centre in my place. After 3 years 6P lost LTE connectivity due to a software upgrade. Pixel XL faced lens flare issue...but never had any showstopper issues. But their Pixel XL mobiles are way too expensive, stopped buying.
 
Yet people don’t necessarily buy phones just f

The camera is its only selling point over the iPhone 7, the 7 is $449, not $500, and similar discounts can be found; its camera does not ‘suck’, it simply isn’t quite as capable as the Pixel’s.
You need to get the iphone XR for $800 for a camera that is as capable as the camera on the $300 Pixel 3a. And even then your low light pictures on the iphone XR will suck compared to the Pixel 3a. The $300 Pixel 3a is the best phone money can buy right now and is going to be a huge seller for Google. And as a side note it also has a headphone jack and fingerprint reader that the iphone XR totally lacks.
 
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Lol. The pixel doesn't have to be a sale success for Google to be worth it.

In contrast to other manufacturers, including Apple, they don't rely very heavily on hardware sales.

It is much more like a technology demonstrator, reference implementation.
 
Google seriously should give up on hardware. It's a failure.

They should stick to ads.

Obviously you dont know anything about google. They dont even try to beat others, most of all their phones are built for testing pure android and developing it further... Second their phones set the standards for other android phones - pixel is the new nexus. When google adapts and introduces the new technology, it will be a new standard for android phones including the software supporting it by the os. While other android manufacturers compete each other making new layers on the top of the pure android, google can test and try new hardware without even trying to compete those companies, but it is setting the standard what to expect from android and other companies try it hard to develope better smartphones and step further in their developing...
 
You need to get the iphone XR for $800 for a camera that is as capable as the camera on the $300 Pixel 3a. And even then your low light pictures on the iphone XR will suck compared to the Pixel 3a. The $300 Pixel 3a is the best phone money can buy right now and is going to be a huge seller for Google. And as a side note it also has a headphone jack and fingerprint reader that the iphone XR totally lacks.

Your comment, while not factually wrong, does demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of why Google is selling the Pixel phone.

The pixel 3a is an admission by google that their previous pixel smartphone strategy was wrong. My guess is that Google wanted to compete with Apple head-on in the premium smartphone market, to win over some of the customers that Apple guards so jealously for itself. They were wrong, and found themselves out of their league. While the night sight camera was widely praised, the phone had a laundry list of problems that should not be present in a device of that price point. In the end, it just didn’t sell.

The sad truth is that a better camera and lower price are not going to suffice in appealing to iphone users, much less get us to convert. If an iphone costs more, then we will simply hold on to it longer.

We are also seeing more android users convert to iOS. So the reality is that even as some users here fawn over the newer features announced by Google (such as night sight, google assistant and AR directions on google maps), they are simply not enough to tempt iphone users to switch.

While google obviously doesn’t want to burn bridges, I wonder if Google might actually see better results marketing their pixel 3a phone towards samsung users than iphone users. Given that samsung phones use the same android ecosystem, it would be easier getting them to switch over iphone users.

Google is obviously slashing prices to boost demand, but their key selling points are not going to be enough to appeal to iphone users.
 
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Your comment, while not factually wrong, does demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of why Google is selling the Pixel phone.

The pixel 3a is an admission by google that their previous pixel smartphone strategy was wrong. My guess is that Google wanted to compete with Apple head-on in the premium smartphone market, to win over some of the customers that Apple guards so jealously for itself. They were wrong, and found themselves out of their league. While the night sight camera was widely praised, the phone had a laundry list of problems that should not be present in a device of that price point. In the end, it just didn’t sell.

The sad truth is that a better camera and lower price are not going to suffice in appealing to iphone users, much less get us to convert. If an iphone costs more, then we will simply hold on to it longer.

We are also seeing more android users convert to iOS. So the reality is that even as some users here fawn over the newer features announced by Google (such as night sight, google assistant and AR directions on google maps), they are simply not enough to tempt iphone users to switch.

While google obviously doesn’t want to burn bridges, I wonder if Google might actually see better results marketing their pixel 3a phone towards samsung users than iphone users. Given that samsung phones use the same android ecosystem, it would be easier getting them to switch over iphone users.

Google is obviously slashing prices to boost demand, but their key selling points are not going to be enough to appeal to iphone users.
You are wrong. The world and youtube is littered with videos of long time iphone users that always bought iphones and never android and the $1000+ ijunk iphones made them switch to Android and they are never going back to Apple . Apple is losing long time iphone users at a record pace. That is the main reason they no longer report unit sales...
 
You are wrong. The world and youtube is littered with videos of long time iphone users that always bought iphones and never android and the $1000+ ijunk iphones made them switch to Android and they are never going back to Apple . Apple is losing long time iphone users at a record pace. That is the main reason they no longer report unit sales...
Is that why there were 900 million active iPhone users as of end January, and Apple added 75 million active users in 2018 alone?

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...iphones-in-the-wild-out-of-14b-active-devices

And I wouldn't put too much value in youtube smartphone reviews. They do this for a living, and the areas they value are not necessarily representative of the general iPhone user base.

My advice to you, as was my advice to every other Apple critic here - watch and learn, as Apple continues its ascent. All the way to the top.
 
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Is that why there were 900 million active iPhone users as of end January, and Apple added 75 million active users in 2018 alone?

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...iphones-in-the-wild-out-of-14b-active-devices

And I wouldn't put too much value in youtube smartphone reviews. They do this for a living, and the areas they value are not necessarily representative of the general iPhone user base.

My advice to you, as was my advice to every other Apple critic here - watch and learn, as Apple continues its ascent. All the way to the top.
You must have failed math at school. What do you get from a Year over Year 15% DECLINE in iphone revenues when ASP (average selling prices) go up from $618 in Q4'17 to $793 in Q4'18 or 28% increase??? A MASSIVE MASSIVE DECLINE in iphone user base, that's what? iPhone long time users are abandoning crapple at record numbers. And no share buyback & share dilution can hide that fact.
https://www.apple.com/gr/newsroom/2019/01/apple-reports-first-quarter-results/
Revenue from iPhone declined 15 percent from the prior year
 
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You must have failed math at school. What do you get from a Year over Year 15% DECLINE in iphone revenues when ASP (average selling prices) go up from $618 in Q4'17 to $793 in Q4'18 or 28% increase??? A MASSIVE MASSIVE DECLINE in iphone user base, that's what? iPhone long time users are abandoning crapple at record numbers. And no share buyback & share dilution can hide that fact.
https://www.apple.com/gr/newsroom/2019/01/apple-reports-first-quarter-results/
Revenue from iPhone declined 15 percent from the prior year
Do you even understand what "decline" is?

You are the one wilfully ignoring numbers. Apple has themselves revealed numbers showing that their active iPhone user base continues to grow from year to year.

Selling fewer iPhones doesn't mean fewer iPhone users in the wild, just that they may no longer be growing as quickly as before. And even then, that does not take into account new iPhone users who join the ecosystem via the purchase of 2nd hand iPhones (which are not reflected in iPhone sales numbers, but continue to contribute to Apple's bottom line via the purchase of accessories, apps and services).

Like I said before, Apple announced 900 million active iPhone users as of end January, and I expect them to hit 1 billion either at the end of this year or early next year.

Nobody is abandoning Apple, and certainly not in any significant quantities.
 
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Do you even understand what "decline" is?

You are the one wilfully ignoring numbers. Apple has themselves revealed numbers showing that their active iPhone user base continues to grow from year to year.

Selling fewer iPhones doesn't mean fewer iPhone users in the wild, just that they may no longer be growing as quickly as before. And even then, that does not take into account new iPhone users who join the ecosystem via the purchase of 2nd hand iPhones (which are not reflected in iPhone sales numbers, but continue to contribute to Apple's bottom line via the purchase of accessories, apps and services).

Like I said before, Apple announced 900 million active iPhone users as of end January, and I expect them to hit 1 billion either at the end of this year or early next year.

Nobody is abandoning Apple, and certainly not in any significant quantities.
Total android phones are UP year over year. Apple iphones are down year over year. Android market share continue to increase. Apple market share continue to decline. Apple iphone revenues are DECLINING year over year even though their ASP have gone up 28%. Don't you wonder why Apple decline to release unit numbers just as their revenues declined??? A massive number of Apple users are switching to android and that's a fact.
 
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Quite a leap to say Apple is failing due to a notch, which the Pixel has, and a camera bump. The Pixel camera is better than the iPhone, but not dramatically so (aside from night sight) that it means Apple is somehow “failing” due to design decisions. It all comes down to personal preference, the sky isn’t falling on either end.
Pixel might be better in stills in low light, but Apple is right there with their smart HDR. Apple has much better video quality. 4K 24,30,60. Better slowMo. Telephoto lens vs enhanced digital zoom. Better stereo recording. Etc.
 
Pixel might be better in stills in low light, but Apple is right there with their smart HDR. Apple has much better video quality. 4K 24,30,60. Better slowMo. Telephoto lens vs enhanced digital zoom. Better stereo recording. Etc.

For sure, pros and cons for both phones. My only point was that the iPhone isn’t failing no matter which way you present it.
 
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Total android phones are UP year over year. Apple iphones are down year over year. Android market share continue to increase. Apple market share continue to decline. Apple iphone revenues are DECLINING year over year even though their ASP have gone up 28%. Don't you wonder why Apple decline to release unit numbers just as their revenues declined??? A massive number of Apple users are switching to android and that's a fact.
I don't know where you are getting your facts but they are leading you to make all the wrong conclusions.

Android market share increases, while Apple continues to earn the lion's share of profits in the sector, and that's ultimately what matters for them.

Let's recap:

1) Apple's installed base continues to grow.
2) I believe it's actually the inverse. We are seeing more android users switch to the iPhone.
3) While iOS has the smaller market share, this is still a very large number in an absolute sense. More than enough to sustain its own thriving ecosystem, especially when Apple has aggregated the best spenders.

The simple reason for declining iPhone sales and revenues is that users are just holding on to their phones longer, but this does not mean they are abandoning the apple platform in droves. Which is why Apple is making the move from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones. Even if we are no longer upgrading as often, we still have the disposable income to spend on accessories and services.

The reason why they no longer report iPhone sales is because it no longer has any purpose. Apple is preparing to move beyond the iPhone, and iPhone sales alone is no longer as meaningful to the overall financial health of Apple as it was before.

Meanwhile, Apple is making great strides in the wearables market, with the Apple Watch and AirPods reporting respectable sales numbers.

Profitless market share is pretty much the only metric the critics can use to show that Apple is anything but winning the smartphone race. It was the case back in 2012, it is still the case now, and the points you present are nothing new.
 
That's cool, the iPhone hardware sucks too. It just gets saved by an Apple logo.
That’s not how any of this works.
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You must have failed math at school. What do you get from a Year over Year 15% DECLINE in iphone revenues when ASP (average selling prices) go up from $618 in Q4'17 to $793 in Q4'18 or 28% increase??? A MASSIVE MASSIVE DECLINE in iphone user base, that's what? iPhone long time users are abandoning crapple at record numbers. And no share buyback & share dilution can hide that fact.
https://www.apple.com/gr/newsroom/2019/01/apple-reports-first-quarter-results/
Revenue from iPhone declined 15 percent from the prior year
You, like many, have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an active user base does if iPhone sales decline.

Say it with me. The active user base can still grow, substantially, even if unit sales decline y/y.

Instead of shouting, try to think why that is true.
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Total android phones are UP year over year. Apple iphones are down year over year. Android market share continue to increase. Apple market share continue to decline. Apple iphone revenues are DECLINING year over year even though their ASP have gone up 28%. Don't you wonder why Apple decline to release unit numbers just as their revenues declined??? A massive number of Apple users are switching to android and that's a fact.
Wrong again. Active iPhones continue to increase.

People are NOT switching from iOS. They are simply not upgrading as often, which is fine. That’s why services are so important.

Apple sold ~215M iPhones in 2018. Let’s say that decreases 15% in 2019 when the year ends (projection) to 183M. If the current iPhone base is 900M, why do you not understand that user base can still increase? Even if Apple sold 50% fewer iPhones, it can still increase. People are just keeping their iPhones.

Also, we know this is true because Apple told us the active device count is now over 1.4B, up from 1.3B in 2018. Apple added 100M more devices, which simple logic tells you has to be in part a result of a growing iPhone base. iPhone is by far the most popular Apple product, so a decrease in that base would be reflected in the overall active device count.
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Obviously you dont know anything about google. They dont even try to beat others, most of all their phones are built for testing pure android and developing it further... Second their phones set the standards for other android phones - pixel is the new nexus. When google adapts and introduces the new technology, it will be a new standard for android phones including the software supporting it by the os. While other android manufacturers compete each other making new layers on the top of the pure android, google can test and try new hardware without even trying to compete those companies, but it is setting the standard what to expect from android and other companies try it hard to develope better smartphones and step further in their developing...
So why hasn’t it translated to sales? I have many other posts with numbers and facts in this thread, so I’m not saying it again. I am also long GOOGL because I like the business. I just recognize they are an ad company and their hardware is a failure.
 
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I just recognize they are an ad company and their hardware is a failure.
I doubt you are an investor of Google, if you are you are a bad one at that. Investors typically don't rip a company by saying they build and sell crap. Their phones are not junk as much as you want to believe while you have nothing but praise for Apple, regardless. So I doubt you are "short" or "long" Google, anything.

First off Google is NOT just an Ad company which you seem to believe as an investor. They are actually more high tech in many ways than Apple. Their bread and butter is of course internet Advertisement but they are heavily into driveless vehicles, advanced Artificial Intelligence, advanced artificial intelligence in robotics. They are also developing "Super Artificial Intelligence".

They purchased Boston Dynamics which produced "Petman" as well several militarized robotic dogs with advanced artificial intelligence for the Defense Department. So contrary to your beliefs about Google, they have branched out from Ads and are a highly successful and advanced "Tech Company". And again, more high tech than Apple.

Just read up on some of the stuff Ray Kurzweil wants to do in the advancement of Super AI, and robotics and that's just the start.
 
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