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I get a feeling the amount mentioned here is just wrong. Will have to wait till Apple and Google responds. I even doubt Google is paying any money at all for this.

If the other stats are true, I don’t see why google wouldn’t pay money

- 50% of google search comes from Apple

Paying Apple a lot of money is a good incentive for Apple not to do their own search engine.
 
Presumably, though, the result would be a choice screen, not some other default. So everyone will see a list of choices, google being one of them.

How many are going to pick duckduckgo or bing?
Not necessarily, The alternative is Microsoft paying $6 billion to be default. Or some number < $8b and > $0.
 
Presumably, though, the result would be a choice screen, not some other default. So everyone will see a list of choices, google being one of them.

How many are going to pick duckduckgo or bing?
Having tried duck and bing, I choose Google. Duckduckgo apparently does not track your searches. Not much point, given how generally ineffective they are. Bing has the same sort of odd left-handed feel to it that most Microsoft stuff has. And it is not as good as Google.
 
Want to really give choice? A default search engine selection screen in alphabetic order. Will that happen? No.
Alphabetic would favor names that sort to the top. You’d have AAAAGoogle as an option. If anything comes of it, it will be like the Microsoft default browser selector in Europe. The order will be randomized.
 
Isn't this well known? I feel like I've heard tech podcasts talk about the billions Apple gets every year to make Google search the default.
 
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Maybe. But the crazy stat is 50% of google search traffic comes from Apple. Not sure google wants to gamble with that. Most people don’t change defaults.

AND Mobile screen space in the ad-world pays a lot more than desktop. Less pixels and a lot more attention so if every iPhone suddenly switched to DuckDuckGo, google would lose out on high paying ad-space.
 
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The United States Justice Department is targeting a lucrative deal between Apple and Google as part of one of the U.S. government's largest antitrust cases, reports The New York Times.

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On Tuesday, the Justice Department filed an antitrust lawsuit against Google, claiming the Mountain View-based company used anticompetitive and exclusionary practices in the search and advertising markets to maintain an unlawful monopoly.

In 2017, Apple updated an agreement to keep Google's search engine as the preselected option on Apple devices. The New York Times reports that Apple receives an estimated eight to 12 billion dollars per year in exchange for making Google the default search engine on its devices and services, including the iPhone and Siri. This is believed to be the single biggest payment Google makes to anyone, and it accounts for 14 to 21 percent of Apple's annual profits.

Prosecutors claim that the deal is representative of illegal tactics used to protect Google's monopoly and stifle competition. According to the Justice Department, almost one half of Google's search traffic now comes from Apple devices, and the prospect of losing the agreement has been described as "terrifying" and a "code red" scenario within the company. Google's search traffic is integral to its business model due to its system of ads.

Apple is likewise coming under fire for facilitating anticompetitive behavior by acquiescing to the deal and extracting more money with regular renegotiations. Although the two companies are competitors in Silicon Valley, the agreement is said to be part of "an unlikely union of rivals."

The Justice Department's complaint cites a senior Apple employee's remark from 2018 which said that "our vision is that we work as if we are one company."

The legal intervention poses a threat to a significant chunk of Apple's revenue, but it is a bigger danger for Google, which would seemingly have no way to replace the traffic it would lose. The New York Times speculates that such a breakup could push Apple to acquire or build its own search engine, which could in turn pose an even greater threat to Google.

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Article Link: Google Reportedly Pays Apple $8-12 Billion Per Year to be Default iOS Search Engine


Careful what you wish for.

Bing, for example.
 
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Or perhaps most people would switch back to Google if it wasn't the default engine because DuckDuckGo and others still can't replicate the results that Google provides AND Apple can reinvest some of those billions back into privacy conscious solutions such as Apple Sign In and Safari privacy features.

People always say how great DuckDuckGo is and honestly I disagree. I tried DuckDuckGo for a week and it was terrible for finding anything technical related. Error messages and troubleshooting problems gave terrible results. Couldn’t find anything helpful. When I went to Google with these same queries I found answers immediately. I found I was using !g more than DuckDuckGo itself so it was completely pointless. I like the privacy aspect of DuckDuckGo but it has proven itself to be pretty useless for me to find what I’m looking for.
 
Apple ran a ad business too for several years, I can see them going back to it in the future.

Apple's ad business failed because they tried to replace data harvesting with engagement. Don't rewrite the narrative to support the idea that they have been secretly trying to reverse course on privacy.
 
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Funny how people still believes Apple's narrative. That’s bull***t.

The last update on my 4K smartTV (Samsung) forced the installation of Apple Music and Apple TV without my consent, I don’t like the intrusion but what infuriates me the most is that I CANNOT UNINSTALL IT! The option is greyed-out, WTF.

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The only reason Apple was able to moderately sustain their “privacy” narrative was because Services was not their main business, it was Hardware, but now that they are competing in Music, TV and all those services they will quietly phase it out, THEY WANT/NEED YOUR DATA.

Apple ran a ad business too for several years, I can see them going back to it in the future.

A quick search will show you many examples of how your data does not stay on your iPhone and more specifically you get all sorts of targeted ads everywhere on your phone even by disabling every option possible.

So it's Apple's fault that Samsung has bad software and won't let you delete something from your Samsung TV? Interesting...

Also I assume you've never actually used an iPhone, since there is not one single targeted ad anywhere in iOS. There are some ads in the App Store but they're based off your search query, not your personal information.
 
Amazing. Very few people know what Google and Facebook do to one's privacy. Just talking to people about how their personal data is being handled by these two companies gets one called crazy. Yet, look at the $ these two companies rake in.

DuckDuckGo -- Safari + AdGuard Pro. If you have to use a Chromium Browser - use Brave or Edge (the Chromium clone one).

But even I have to use Bing or Google sometimes for some searches.

Just amazing how much $ people's habits and personal data sell for.
I have a friend that does deep level marketing with google data. Google knows more about you at a deeper level than most of us can imaging. Facebook as well. We live in weird times. And they have the ability to influence the elections so that a few oligarchs are deciding the future in America never thought possible. The Silicon Valley rich really can run America and gave them the rope so we could find websites faster and share photos.
 
Having tried duck and bing, I choose Google. Duckduckgo apparently does not track your searches. Not much point, given how generally ineffective they are. Bing has the same sort of odd left-handed feel to it that most Microsoft stuff has. And it is not as good as Google.
I think Bing is serviceable. I like some of their presentation better than google. I use DuckDuckGo because I don’t trust google. I have been migrating away from them for years.
 
Or perhaps most people would switch back to Google if it wasn't the default engine because DuckDuckGo and others still can't replicate the results that Google provides AND Apple can reinvest some of those billions back into privacy conscious solutions such as Apple Sign In and Safari privacy features.
That’s not my experience. Been using duckduckgo as my sole search engine for a couple of years now. Couldn’t be happier.
 
Want to really give choice? A default search engine selection screen in alphabetic order. Will that happen? No.

ew. I really hope that doesn’t.
Just seeing it now. Welcome to iOS setu! What browser u want? What search engine u want? What mail app u want? What text app u want? What calendar app u want? What store u want? What bla bla bla u want?
 
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