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1) 10 hour plus battery life. Anything less and it is a nonstarter no matter what the feature list is.

Too strict. Another slate with eight hour battery life would be considered equivalent in most consumer's eyes. (I can run it all day at work, not that I would do that.)

One with six hours would be OK by most (I have an electrical outlet at work, so no big deal. When would I need more than 6 hours?) Six hours and weighs 40% less than an Ipad - lots of sales.

Two or three hours, serious problem!


Not ONE mention of software or the App Store ecosystem. :confused:

You mean that walled garden subject to capricious rules from Apple?

Double-edged sword.
 
News Flash !! Google is out to do whatever it can to bring down Apple,Inc.

This isn't news. It's a disgrace.

Hilarious. :D You couldn't make it up.

So, when Apple do it to Adobe et al its "just business" but when Google do it its a "disgrace"?

I really hope Apple will be buying Kraft Foods Company in order to ensure sufficient supplies of Kool-aid to the "faithful". :p
 
Crappy design is crappy design PERIOD! Mac OS X is VERY powerful as are Apple's pro apps and iPhone OS for that matter, yet they are very beautiful and intuitively designed and thought out! :rolleyes:

I really adore your attitude :) But it's not that simple. Usually, it's not that difficult to come up with an intuitive and beautiful interface for an application with 10 commands/features. Things get harder as the feature set grows. If you had a chance to see really complex applications (like VLSI design), you'd be really horrified. Their interfaces always suck, they use dialogs with many dozens of options. Very very un-Apple like look and feel. Really no place for a one button mouse :D
 
Sure I do. Windows Mobile has had full support for things like BT, tethering, multitasking for many years. In fact, I am not aware of any iPhone OS feature that is not available on MS Mobile OS. If as a power user, you want to develop your own applications, write scripts etc. what choices do you have? Definitely not iPhone OS.

The funny thing about WM is that people stopped buying it and purchased an iPhone. WM7 is basically a carbon copy of the iPhone and so is their ideas for an App Store. There is something to be said for a clean UI.

And you can write your own applications (yes I know you understand that). OS 4.0 allows for a lot more interoperability with other apps.
 
I don't own an Andread device, so maybe I'm talking out of my hat...

From what I've read on the internets (specifically about the Motorola Droid), there are a number of versions of Android, and that you're stuck with whatever version came with your phone -- you can't update the OS to take advantage of new features.

If that's the case, I can see Android based tablets competing with each other rather than the iPad, and all that's going to happen is create a fragmented market and confused user base, where even members of the same family might end up with different functions and capabilities on multiple Android devices.

Android should be re-named to Andread, for sure.

I know that Apple won't be supporting the original 2G iPhone with 4.0, so please don't have a go on that point.
 
Oh god, here we go.

  • Why does everything need a camera? Maybe a future revision, but this device isn't pointless without a camera. Heck, I could see Apple releasing a dock-connector camera attachment just to shut people like you up
  • HDMI.... WHY? This thing doesn't output in HD so what the heck would the benefit of HDMI-out be?
  • Quit being impatient. You ARE getting multitasking, so quit crying because it is not coming as fast as you want.
  • 16:9? I don't really want a long skinny device, no thank you.
  • SD card? Get the attachment.
  • More memory? 64GB isn't enough? Are you aware that you cant install Android apps to external memory so it is actually WAY more memory constricted than the iPad?
  • OLED? NO! I have the Nexus One with an OLED screen and it is absolutely 100% IMPOSSIBLE to use it outside when there is any sunlight.
  • Printing support? Coming in app form im sure
  • Flash? Ha... I can't even figure out how to get Flash working on my Nexus One. Flash is overrated. Hulu can easily go HTML5, and flash games are NOT optimized for a touch interface, most require WASD controls, arrow keys, or a mouse.

Any other terrible points you would like to make?

hell yes that was awesome, lol the only thing that i would like to have on the ipad would be printing support and that doesn't seem like it would be hard to do, exporting to a macbook then printing isnt impossible, but it is tedious
 
Android is way too scattered to catch up with the iphone os . People bring up the navigation apps and stuff that android has but it doesn't support the older variants of android.

At least the iphone OS has always been backward compatible. Android isn't All those people who purchased the g1 are SOL. But people with the original iphone were able to upgrade all the way to iphone OS 3.0

As far as a tablet i don't think they could make a cost effective tablet. First of all if you add hdmi,a high MP camera,front facing camera there is no way that a vendor could offer a tablet with those features for 499 dollars.

Also with the android tablet if they released OS upgrades it would just be like an android phone with type of backward support for previous hardware versions.

I Personally predict that the tablet market will become a FusterCluck. Too many hands in the pot and that will be android's downfall its too scattered.

Plus Google doesn't have the ability to make media deals as far as tablet apps and publishing deals. If you buy an android tablet your already buying old hardware and call me a fanboi or whatever but i really don't care :D
 
Some parts in it obviosuly aren't

Well I understand that lol, I was simply asking WHICH parts.

I really adore your attitude :) But it's not that simple. Usually, it's not that difficult to come up with an intuitive and beautiful interface for an application with 10 commands/features. Things get harder as the feature set grows. If you had a chance to see really complex applications (like VLSI design), you'd be really horrified. Their interfaces always suck, they use dialogs with many dozens of options. Very very un-Apple like look and feel. Really no place for a one button mouse :D

It pretty much IS that simple! The difference is with apps like that they don't really care about esthetics and are usually aimed at tech professional, engineer, program nerd type people who don't appreciate beautiful design as much as under the hood type things. Doesn't make it any less true or any less important!
 
I hope Google successfully ends Apple's bid in the phone and tablet markets so Apple can go back to it's roots and go back to computers...

We can all dream! :D
 
Here's hoping for a little tablet competition!

I'm really hoping the competitors can put together a device to rival the iPad. If Apple locks down this market, I don't think we'll be seeing much innovation any longer. But if Google or MS can somehow get some traction and at least keep Apple honest, I think we'll see a faster pace of innovation on par with what we've witnessed in the smartphone market.

I've put together a "route" of the most promising competitors.
http://thebusride.com/ride/ipad-alternatives-pics-reviews-
 
I don't own an Andread device, so maybe I'm talking out of my hat...

From what I've read on the internets (specifically about the Motorola Droid), there are a number of versions of Android, and that you're stuck with whatever version came with your phone -- you can't update the OS to take advantage of new features.

Here, **************************. The phone manufacturer or service provider can choose to upgrade the OS. And often they do. Sometimes the hardware may not support the update, in which case obviously they won't.

This is much the same as Apple. iPhone 2G iPhone 3G will not be fully supported by the new OS, allegedly because of hardware limitations.

If that's the case, I can see Android based tablets competing with each other rather than the iPad, and all that's going to happen is create a fragmented market and confused user base, where even members of the same family might end up with different functions and capabilities on multiple Android devices.

Last week I updated a number of my iPhone apps in iTunes, and synced my iPhone. Many of the apps refused to sync because apparently my iPhone OS (which is maybe 1 point-release behind the latest) does not support them. This problem is not unique to Android.


I know that Apple won't be supporting the original 2G iPhone with 4.0, so please don't have a go on that point.

Except that this point negates your entire post. You complain because old versions of Android phones don't support the latest OS, and yet the iPhone's OS has precisely the same limitation.
 
Android is way too scattered to catch up with the iphone os . People bring up the navigation apps and stuff that android has but it doesn't support the older variants of android.

At least the iphone OS has always been backward compatible....

... If you buy an android tablet your already buying old hardware and call me a fanboi or whatever but i really don't care :D

LOL. Jobs just said today "No more support for iPhone v1" (and enough iPhone stuff doesn't work on older devices anyway, including the "multitasking" in 4.0).

Speaking of old hardware, it is the iPad which is using old hardware - running on Cortex 8 based chip, while all the new tablets coming up are either Cortex 9 based, or Tegra 2.

I do agree that Android 1.x was all over the place, but 2.x has come a long way and it's close to the iPhone OS, IMO.

Keep in mind that Android is not as mature as iPhone OS, yet has come pretty close very fast. The Android App market is just starting to heat up.

I am hopeful that the tablet will have an UI as good as the iPad. I am also ready to pay more for a faster, more robust product, which is well designed and does Flash.
 
At least the iphone OS has always been backward compatible. Android isn't All those people who purchased the g1 are SOL. But people with the original iphone were able to upgrade all the way to iphone OS 3.0

Oh good, I can't wait to use multi-tasking on my iPhone 3G. What? I won't be able to?

As far as a tablet i don't think they could make a cost effective tablet. First of all if you add hdmi,a high MP camera,front facing camera there is no way that a vendor could offer a tablet with those features for 499 dollars.

Allegedly Apple's BOM for the iPad is around $270. A camera might add a few dollars. Same with the HDMI port.

Plus Google doesn't have the ability to make media deals as far as tablet apps and publishing deals. If you buy an android tablet your already buying old hardware and call me a fanboi or whatever but i really don't care :D

Google has countless media deals already. I imagine publishers might be willing to work with Google to nip an Apple hegemony in the bud. And old hardware? What are you talking about? AFAIK nobody has released any details on an alleged Google tablet. How do you know anything about the hardware?
 
Crappy design is crappy design PERIOD! Mac OS X is VERY powerful as are Apple's pro apps and iPhone OS for that matter, yet they are very beautiful and intuitively designed and thought out! :rolleyes:

This. My little sisters (elementary school age) can figure out the iPod touch with ease. They cannot however figure out my G1 or Nexus One. More menus and less intuitiveness don't make for a better power user experience, they make for a overall worse experience. I use Apple stuff because I value my time and the simplicity of their devices reflects that.
 
With Jobs going to back to his paranoid maniacal ways, making enemies of everyone, Android is in a prime position to pwn the iPad. Companies and developers will be coming out of the woodwork just to stick it to Apple.

I can see the ad now...
"Everything you wish the iPad was, oh, and Flash too!"

Isn't competition wonderful!
 
Oh good, I can't wait to use multi-tasking on my iPhone 3G. What? I won't be able to?/QUOTE]

That would be iphone 4.0 But what im saying is up untill 3.0 apple supported all variants of the the hardware. Granted some features were avaiable depending on the model. But it was supported.

Unlike Android where the Hardware is not upgradedable. So Tell me will the average consumer want an ipad that is going to have future updates available to it? Or would they want an android device where they buy it and then find out its not upgradable.

Considering that america is in the 2nd great depression people don't have money to keep buying devices that are going to be dead end paperweights as soon as they buy them.
 
Oh good, I can't wait to use multi-tasking on my iPhone 3G. What? I won't be able to?

and a G1 doesn't even get anything past 1.6...

Allegedly Apple's BOM for the iPad is around $270. A camera might add a few dollars. Same with the HDMI

HDMI for a device that doesn't output in HD.... Why? And I don't want a device that is covered in ports! The seamless aluminum enclosure with a single port on the bottom is amazing as is.
 
With Jobs going to back to his paranoid maniacal ways, making enemies of everyone, Android is in a prime position to pwn the iPad. Companies and developers will be coming out of the woodwork just to stick it to Apple.

I can see the ad now...
"Everything you wish the iPad was, oh, and Flash too!"

Isn't competition wonderful!

Well i will love to see how the average consumer slams those devices because they were watching Flash videos on you tube and realize that their phone barely has an hour to make calls. And BTW thats on;y if adobe can ever roll out flash non beta SW to devices that work.

Last time i checked flash was only on certain android 2.1 devices and its in beta. So much for that "Open Screen Project" Seems like Android can talk about the dance but actually can't dance
 
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