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Google Reportedly Prepping Android-Based iPad Challenger
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Is that a sincere post or are you implying my statement is not true?
Have you ever used one? The applications, mail UI, safari UI, etc is ALL different. The UI elements were reworked for the larger screen.
Android tablets (thus far) are just the Android OS on a larger resolution with NO new UI elements.
The iPad is NOT a giant iPod Touch and anyone who says otherwise has never used one.
AMEN! I have heard MANY of them, even today at work, and ALL the people who rip on it and say it is just some big iPod Touch have never used it! When they do use it, they totally change their minds. Ignorance is a wonderful thing huh!
The missing specs are not expencive! A USB-Port and a front facing camera will not cost that much. Maybe add a SDD and a card reader, thats all its missing.
Besides Flash.... Oh no, here we go again!
Just kidding!
...says the guy flaunting $7,000 worth of home computer equipment in his own signature.
You would make a great Pharisee.
How quickly the US tech press forget previous internet tablets like the Nokia 770 from 2005 or arguably some of the wifi equipped more PDA like devices from Compaq and HP.
Interesting, again, how Apple is setting the agenda for what this new kind of computer is but I think they'll have a battle on with Android and Meego - not so much Windows based tablets.
I think most of you know that this article is garbage!!!!!!!!!
Apple and Google are not the only players in town. However, Apple IS the only player that can deliver the support and ecosystem the competition can't. Google is stretching that ad money. They are a one trick pony. If Eric S. wants to get downs then lets play. God knows Android is nothing but a free conduit to get folks into the Google radar. Eric doesn't, IMHO, want an all out OS/hardware war. That cost money.
Look,iAD is about to raise Apple's stock and cut into Google profit margins in the online ad business. Once iAD shows what it can do, Google will feel the heat. It is inevitable that Goolge will loose profits. MS will also tap that a** by implementing its own online ad revenue stream. In a very short while Apple and MS will cut deeply into Google BREAD AND BUTTER business model!!!
Tell me then what the hell will Google do when the playing field is diced up? They will hemorrhage like a slit bovine's jugular. Ergo, the end of the free stuff. A pull back in all the money they dish out to the cell phone makers that carry Android.
Google is a one trick pony that is about to get stomped.
Apple and Google are not the only players in town. However, Apple IS the only player that can deliver the support and ecosystem the competition can't. Google is stretching that ad money. They are a one trick pony. If Eric S. wants to get downs then lets play. God knows Android is nothing but a free conduit to get folks into the Google radar. Eric doesn't, IMHO, want an all out OS/hardware war. That cost money.
Look,iAD is about to raise Apple's stock and cut into Google profit margins in the online ad business. Once iAD shows what it can do, Google will feel the heat. It is inevitable that Goolge will loose profits. MS will also tap that a** by implementing its own online ad revenue stream. In a very short while Apple and MS will cut deeply into Google BREAD AND BUTTER business model!!!
Tell me then what the hell will Google do when the playing field is diced up? They will hemorrhage like a slit bovine's jugular. Ergo, the end of the free stuff. A pull back in all the money they dish out to the cell phone makers that carry Android.
Google is a one trick pony that is about to get stomped.
Whether you like or not... Google and Apple are competitors, and the latter can't do anything against a winner
If, and only if, Apple would open its "king" platform, it would stand some chances, otherwise... the future is Google
Because open platforms always win in the end, you mean? Like Linux?
Or Ogg Vorbis/Ogg Theora? Or Open Office?
Yesterday I used my friend's Android phone and I was shocked at how messy, difficult to understand and horribly cluttered it was compared to the iPhone OS, and I'm not saying this to say how awesome Apple is and how bad Google is or whatever, just that no matter how simple the iPhone (or iPad) OS seems to copy, it's actually very damn complicated, just based on all the unsuccessful imitations I've seen. The iPhone may seem like it can't do much but there's much more to it than features. You don't think about whether it's good or bad, it just works and you spend less time saying "damn how the hell do I close this damn menu?" and "why does it do this when I clicked this?" and "what's going on??" and more time actually doing stuff you intended to do.
I know nothing about Google's plans for their tablet, but their Android approach really feels like it's not the right thing to do, to me: it's complicated, ugly and inconsistent, I find it to be similar to Linux in a way: very open-source, free to do anything, but strange and not simple to use. I feel that on a phone, open-sourcing things isn't really necessary. It's a phone, you don't want it to do literally anything.
On the other hand, I think Google has a great approach to Google Chrome, Gmail, Google Maps and maybe even their Chrome OS though I'm not sure about that one yet, and these are all things they came up with first. They're just not really good a copying Apple, and it makes sense that when you copy someone, you just want to not get left behind rather than construct an idea you think will change the world.
I know nothing about Google's plans for their tablet, but their Android approach really feels like it's not the right thing to do, to me: it's complicated, ugly and inconsistent, I find it to be similar to Linux in a way: very open-source, free to do anything, but strange and not simple to use. I feel that on a phone, open-sourcing things isn't really necessary. It's a phone, you don't want it to do literally anything.
On the other hand, I think Google has a great approach to Google Chrome, Gmail, Google Maps and maybe even their Chrome OS though I'm not sure about that one yet, and these are all things they came up with first. They're just not really good a copying Apple, and it makes sense that when you copy someone, you just want to not get left behind rather than construct an idea you think will change the world.
Is that a sincere post or are you implying my statement is not true?
Yes sincere, only because you mentioned Xerox, I found the movie entertaining even if it wasn't correct.
Google is not after Apple...
Google is after Microsoft primarily... By allowing ALL manufacturers (Sony, HP, Dell, Lenovo,..) to install their OS on the mobiles (Phones, tablets...) Apple will continue doing what they do (and god knows that they are good at it!) and Microsoft is going to see their shares go lower and lower every day... Is there anyone here to say that Chrome is a good alternative to OSX today? I doubt it... Would you be willing to run Video editing, design applications,... on Chrome? My 2 cts here... Google is after everything and like Microsoft did in the 80's and 90's they will fail in providing a good user experience and will follow the Microsoft path...
I stick with Apple both for desktop and mobile computing because my time and energy is worth using on proven, reliable software and hardware.
Google is after Microsoft primarily... By allowing ALL manufacturers (Sony, HP, Dell, Lenovo,..) to install their OS on the mobiles (Phones, tablets...) Apple will continue doing what they do (and god knows that they are good at it!) and Microsoft is going to see their shares go lower and lower every day... Is there anyone here to say that Chrome is a good alternative to OSX today? I doubt it... Would you be willing to run Video editing, design applications,... on Chrome? My 2 cts here... Google is after everything and like Microsoft did in the 80's and 90's they will fail in providing a good user experience and will follow the Microsoft path...
I stick with Apple both for desktop and mobile computing because my time and energy is worth using on proven, reliable software and hardware.
Apple focuses on the consumer.
Google focuses on piling on features. Which is why they need to churn out new phones all the time. There is no ONE phone that is up to the iPhone's standards. So the solution is simple: flood the market.
Good point.
A few points here:
1) whenever you try a new platform, it's more difficult to use than something you've been using, say, for three years
2) Apple users have especially difficult time understanding other tools. That's because other tools are usually designed with a different philosophy in mind. They are usually geared towards more capable people, provide more features which indeed may lead to less intuitive interfaces. Just compare a bicycle and a motor-bike. Increase in performance inevitably leads to more controls and the need to learn stuff.
3) So, NO, they are not copying Apple. These other companies are doing what they always do - delivering powerful tools/devices.
It would be really nice, and unbelievably less boring, if someone else would do some innovating. These companies actually stop, wait, see what Apple does, then do a "me too" and slap whatever OS they've got on a cheaply, poorly thought out slab of hardware. Usually within only a couple of months of Apple, who actually spends years working and developing products like iPad. And they wonder why they can't kill the iPod, iPhone, etc.
You state that as if it was fact. And with a straight face. You genuinely believe that Android or Windows Mobile are actually for "more capable people" and have "more features"? Against a platform with 150,000 applications (granted, with a certain percentage of fart apps)?
Capabilities and power are not in hardware alone. Apple understands that. You don't seem to. Your motorcycle won't go anywhere if it's got square wheels. I'll out-race you every single time on my bicycle with its round wheels.
You state that as if it was fact. And with a straight face. You genuinely believe that Android or Windows Mobile are actually for "more capable people" and have "more features"? Against a platform with 150,000 applications (granted, with a certain percentage of fart apps)?
Capabilities and power are not in hardware alone. Apple understands that. You don't seem to. Your motorcycle won't go anywhere if it's got square wheels. I'll out-race you every single time on my bicycle with its round wheels.
Agreed, but small startup companies usually get swallowed up by corporate dominate ones who feel as if they'd be threatened.
I actually own the movie and I think it is entertaining as well. But what part are you saying is incorrect? I don't just base my statements on that movie, I have obviously looked into the history so I am curious what you are talking about.
Nothing, I didn't say anything was incorrect, just that the movie is good, and actually tells a good bit of history.
I don't really care what google does right now, I like my iPad iPhone and iMac. They do what I want phenomenally. If google can top what my current devices do for me, then sure I might consider it, but I'm happy with what I have, and as I said, I don't really care what google is doing right now.
So funny that Apple keeps a tight lid on everything until they announce the thing and do an hour an a half demo! Then we start hearing about this company doing this and that company doing that.
Why not just keep your YAPS shut until you have something to demo or sell, ok players?!
Why not just keep your YAPS shut until you have something to demo or sell, ok players?!
Crappy design is crappy design PERIOD! Mac OS X is VERY powerful as are Apple's pro apps and iPhone OS for that matter, yet they are very beautiful and intuitively designed and thought out!
Lol, ok but you said... "I found the movie entertaining even if it wasn't correct."
Oops, sorry for the double post.
Lol, ok but you said... "I found the movie entertaining even if it wasn't correct."
Oops, sorry for the double post.
Some parts in it obviosuly aren't
I agree with you for the most part-- there are times that these reaches into other areas pay off. I also agree with you about what Google's strategy is-- they need to ensure they can get their product to their customers. Worse, they have to get their product to their customers in an environment where their middlemen are covetous of Google's profits, popularity and success.
The iPod was a complete gamble on Apple's part, and an odd move, to be sure. Not quite so odd as what Google is doing, however. Apple at least was in the business of building hardware, and computerized hardware at that. I'd argue it was less of a stretch for a laptop manufacturer to build a hard drive based music player than for Google to make first an operating system and then the physical hardware to run it on.
The question I'm curious to see resolved is whether Google can pull this off. I've been waiting with bated breath to see what Google's second act will be. A lot of spaghetti has hit the wall so far, but I haven't seen anything really stick. That might be part of what people are reacting to as well-- we've seen Google try a lot of random things so far which undermines the impression that they have a firm corporate roadmap.
I think you're saying what I did about Google's business, just with a different spin, and I don't think it's misleading. Google competes with ad companies like Clear Channel, not with other data mining companies like State Farm Insurance. They have tremendous expertise in certain areas of technology, and the money to buy in experts in other areas, in the same way that Goodyear probably has tremendous expertise in chemical engineering but they are a tire company competing with tire companies, not with chemical engineering companies like Bayer.
Sure I do. Windows Mobile has had full support for things like BT, tethering, multitasking for many years. In fact, I am not aware of any iPhone OS feature that is not available on MS Mobile OS. If as a power user, you want to develop your own applications, write scripts etc. what choices do you have? Definitely not iPhone OS.