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Google Sets Its Sights on Apple

Ugh... sorry Google, but I'm never going to put all my eggs in one basket.
I like you as a third party, providing search and map services, and maybe mail, but that's where I draw the line.

Also, while "google" is an OK brand name for search and map services for obvious reasons, it's a terrible name to put on hardware. It's a verb. What's a "google" in noun form? A puddle of goo? And look at your f***in' logo. Just look at it. It looks like a box of Duplo (=Lego for toddlers) humped a serif font and had bastard offspring in the form of a deformed beachball. If we're gonna have to put up with one logo plastered on everything in sight, can it please not be yours?

I never believed Microsoft would become the evil empire that takes over the world, and they never did. People know when enough is enough. But Google is really poised to become Big Brother. They control search, advertising and 90% of the video streaming on the web, they have their street view cars roaming the world taking panorama pictures, and soon enough they will buy Facebook. Hello Skynet.

I never thought I'd say this, but can I have Bing in Safari please.
 
Ok, the giant advertising company, Google, which happens to have some snippets of code to promote its advertising, wants to know where you are, what you do,when are you at home, what you watch, whom do you call, what you write, whom you send, in order to feed you relentless stream of advertisements. The advertising corporation records and stores in giant servers information which breaches privacy, copyright laws and it lacks moral etiquette and decency. Why feed the monster? Email can be not only Gmail, search can be anything else, avoid Google maps, Google Docs and don't put your address in anything Google, because that's recorded and analyzed and then you are sent perfect ads. Right for you.

Google collecting personal WiFi data by mistake, http://www.politicalscandalnews.com...al WiFi data by mistake/?k=j83s12y12h94s27k02

Three Google executives - chief legal officer David Drummond, former Google Italy board member George De Los Reyes and global privacy counsel Peter Fleischer - were convicted by a Milan court in a lawsuit over violating the privacy of an Italian boy with autism
http://ecommerce-journal.com/node/27124

Google admits accessing home internet connections, sparks new privacy scandal
Monday, 17 May 2010 11:49 http://www.smartcompany.com.au/legal/20 ... andal.html

"One of the largest companies in the world, the market leader on the internet, simply disobeyed normal rules," the FT cited Schaar as saying. http://www.itpro.co.uk/623389/google-to ... fi-scandal

Google sparks new privacy scandal http://topnews.co.uk/24678-google-spark ... cy-scandal

Google is bigger than sovereign states? http://www.euronews.net/2010/02/26/goog ... vacy-laws/

Google cache raises copyright concerns, http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-1024234.html

Case Study: How Google Hosts & Funds A Copyright-Infringing Web Site, http://searchengineland.com/case-study- ... site-32260
 
KnightWRX said:
Because this is a Mac blog and is very partisan to Apple, so all the news posted here is tainted with some twist to make it seem like Apple is more important than they really are.

The fact is, and ChazUK pointed it out first, none of these Google moves seem to be a "Let's take on Apple" move.
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Sigh. There's no "reading into" required. Google was directly taking shots at Apple.

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Slide shown during keynote referring to Apple.

“If we did not act, we faced a draconian future. Where one man, one company, one carrier was the future.”

– Google Vice-President of Engineering Vic Gundotra explains why the company made Android.
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Whether or not it's true (since, as you point out that Google bought Android earlier), it's the way that Google is portraying it. So ya, it's a direct Google vs Apple mentality propogated by Google, not by this or any other blog.

arn
 
What I love is how the anti-Apple internet nerds are making Apple out to be big brother when IMO it's Google who is the next big brother.
 
After skim-reading a couple of pages of this thread, I've got to say I found most of the posts a bit pathetic.

I know there are Apple and Google fanboys out there, but the point is that we simply love what they do and how they do it. They are both businesses with their thoughts ALWAYS on the bottom line, and how they can capture more market share within taking too many risks.

Competition is always good. Who cares who brought out what first?

The company with the best product and service will sell the most. That is all we should be concerned about, and whoever steps up to the plate will win the customers.
 
CmdrLaForge said:
To compete - making MobileMe free would be a great start from Apple.
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+1

Actually, I was just thinking about that yesterday and was about to write the idea. And then while reading comments on this topic I have seen your post.

Apple should make MOBILEME FREE, at least a 500 MB package. That would be really nice and I would leave google for good.
 
The financial analysts often criticize Google for straying from their central mission, search, for initiatives that Googlers believe in but produce more expenses than revenues.

Since analysts are rational and would welcome a new revenue source, why would they object to the particular ones Google have embarked on?

Because they have lower scales of revenue and far lower actual or potential growth rates. Crack for stock pricing.

The Google me-too-Apple approach to their new business model is actually only an amusing sidebar. Steve is precisely right the only reason they attended board meetings was to gain access to their copy machine from the inside. That has got to be the source of an actual cause of action a jury would get behind. Apple, owner of 30% of Google as the penalty?

Rocketman

cite:
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/05/21/1427245/Are-Googlers-Too-Smart-For-Their-Own-Good
 
macsmurf said:
Well, you can't have it both ways. When you create an open system some companies will try to take control on their own platforms. Apple took BSD (and I'll be sure to mention NextStep as well) slapped their own GUI on it and the end product is an excellent OS. How is this bad?

HTC might do the same thing. They might even start their own app store that is not compatible with the Android Market. However, that might make users stop buying their products. So maybe they won't.
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That is a gross oversimplification of the BSD and OS X relationship.

HTC's Sense is really just a GUI (they do add in some new widgets). While many of the technologies on OS X are based on open source projects, Apple makes many enhancement and many of them go back to the open source community.

The problem with Android, for me, was the lack of updates. If I want 2.1, I have to wait for HTC to throw Sense in. Which meant I would have been waiting a ling time (in fact I did before I switched back to iPhone). So while Android advanced I was stuck in the past, sure I could have rooted and installed one of the unofficial ROMs but should I have to on this "open" platform?
 
Google is getting incredibly powerful and almost too big for their own good. But in a way, this would hopefully get Apple to up the ante. iPhone OS4 is a start but soon Google will be rolling Chrome OS for desktop and laptop computers and this Google TV will upend Apple TV by the looks of things. Apple is now more of a follower than an innovator. They've been playing catch up for a while now (sans iPad). I want to see more exciting things from Apple that will push the boundaries. Direct competition from Google might just put them in gear.
 
arn said:
Sigh. There's no "reading into" required. Google was directly taking shots at Apple.

vic2-275x210.jpg

Slide shown during keynote referring to Apple.



Whether or not it's true (since, as you point out that Google bought Android earlier), it's the way that Google is portraying it. So ya, it's a direct Google vs Apple mentality propogated by Google, not by this or any other blog.

arn
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“If we did not act, we faced a draconian future. Where one man, one company, one carrier was the future.”

– Google Vice-President of Engineering Vic Gundotra explains why the company made Android.

Google says they had to do something to keep Apple from being the big brother of the internet.

The truth of the matter is Eric Schmidt has been wanting to be the big brother of EVERYTHING for a long,long time. The ONLY reason they want to "keep Apple from being big brother" is so GOOGLE can be big brother. And trust me. Google as big brother will mine all of your personal info,not care about your privacy and make as much money off you as they can without caring one bit.

And the Google lemmings show it perfectly. Witness the Pac-Man craze. While all you people were having all this fun playing Pac-Man on Google's home page they were gathering as much info from you as possible.
 
I think Apple is going to cede this one to the competiton ...

The lack of updates or interest in improving the AppleTV for this long shows me Apple has little interest in that aspect of the market. Essentially, the product has been DONE for the last year or more, and they're just selling them to the hackers who want to mess around with them, and to a minority of people who buy a lot of video content via iTunes and are content just extending that content to show on their living room TV with the AppleTV box.

Even disregarding all the video format viewing limitations in its software, AppleTV doesn't even have enough OUTPUT jacks on it to be taken seriously!


seenett said:
When I first saw this article, it all clicked for me: Google is Apple's #1 competitor. iPhone OS4 better have more tricks up their sleeve, and Apple TV is DONE unless they move it from "hobby" status to "let's get our ass in gear" status. As a self avowed Apple fan-boy, I lust for Google TV!
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kingtj said:
Even disregarding all the video format viewing limitations in its software, AppleTV doesn't even have enough OUTPUT jacks on it to be taken seriously!
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What? What other output jacks besides HDMI and Component would be needed on a set-top box?
 
slffl said:
What I love is how the anti-Apple internet nerds are making Apple out to be big brother when IMO it's Google who is the next big brother.
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You have to watch all these companies, it's not a question of picking one as Big Brother #1 and letting the others off the hook.

You're right, Google is more Big Brother-y than Apple, but why? Because Apple's isn't like that? No, but because of their relatively modest size and market share.

The Apple ecosystem is a walled garden, and they do use blatant lock-in strategies. Does Windows Media Player force you to buy music straight from Microsoft? No, WMP hooks you up with a bunch of third party stores. Does WMP force you to use a Zune? No, it will synchronize with pretty much anything with storage capacity. But iTunes blocks out everything that isn't an Apple iPod/iPhone/iPad and you can only buy apps and media content from Apple, and only content and apps approved by Apple.

They've pulled other stunts, like acquiring music software maker Emagic and then discontinuing the Windows version of Logic, forcing all Logic users with PCs to buy Macs or GTFO. But you know what? It's OK, because Apple's market share is fairly small. If Apple controlled over 50% of each of the markets they're in (computer hardware, OS, smartphones, web browsers, tablet devices, music sales, movie rentals, cloud mail/calendar etc), Big Brother alarms would be going off everywhere. The EU commission would slap them with so many lawsuits, Apple legal wouldn't even be able to read all the documents at the rate they keep coming in.

But for now, Apple is off the hook, so let's focus on Google while keeping half an eye on Microsoft for old times sake.
 
MacRumors said:


. . . Apple's role, however, remains the same as always -- as a staunch proponent of vertical integration and a tightly controlled user experience. How tightly they control that experience, however, has been a point of contention amongst users and developers. Apple lost the previous round when it was against Microsoft, but Apple has also never had such a strong lead before.


Article Link: Google Sets Its Sights on Apple
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It doesn't matter that Apple "lost" against Microsoft. That's ancient history. Actually what Apple "lost" was the horde of ignorant lemmings represented in that famous 1984 Superbowl ad by the gray-clothed audience. That horde, of course, are all the remaining stupid Windoze users. Though many may take offense at my calling them stupid, "stupid" is not necessarily opposite in meaning to "intelligent", "articulate", "educated", "discerning", etc. "Stupid" simply means "not knowing" which in this case means not knowing the real qualities and benefits of the Apple ecosystem as it exists today.

We Apple zealots have known this all along. And I, for one, am very pleased to see so many of the inculcated horde waking up these days out of their respective Windoze stupors to the point of switching.

Over my 2+ decades as a happy Apple customer, there have been countless reasons which have verified and reinforced my real devotion to the company and its products.

I have Apple Care for a recent iMac, which warrantee covers my Time Capsule. It's been working well as our wireless router as well as its hard drive holding my Time Machine backup. A few days ago its indicator light which is normally a steady green started flashing yellow. In my experience, that normally means that internet access has been interrupted. However, our access was working. I tried re-booting the Capsule and got the steady green light, but later, it started blinking yellow again.

I called Apple tech support, and the tech had me open Airport Utility and took me through a few steps with it to learn that in this case the flashing yellow meant that my Time Capsule's hard drive was running low on free space. Once I clicked on "Ignore" the light returned to steady green. Perhaps this is all in the documentation, but the fact is that I got good Tech Support service for the cost of my Apple Care warranty, and the fact is that my equipment is running well.

These are just a couple benefits of the above-referenced "vertical integration and a tightly controlled user experience". This is what we Apple zealots enjoy and are happy to pay for and is the reason we remain zealots.

I also happen to be grateful for Apple's "closed" iPhone development environment which I know to be majorly responsible for the current desirability of Apple's iPhone OS products. It is my opinion that those who compulsively and irrationally protest "control" have been the respective sad effects of bad--essentially NO--control in their lives and are simply knee-jerkily reacting to any semblance of such. Too bad, because there is very little that is ACTUALLY bad with the Apple ecosystem.

Apple's recent rising major statistics speak far more loudly to me than any amount of ranting by the competition and say that Apple is indeed doing far more things right than wrong.
 
I think a few things are for certain...

Apple will most likely replace Google for Bing. Also as much as I love Youtube, it needs to be replaced as well, especially as an iPhone default.
 
richman555 said:
I think a few things are for certain...

Apple will most likely replace Google for Bing. Also as much as I love Youtube, it needs to be replaced as well, especially as an iPhone default.
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Replace YouTube? Oooooh, now that's a tall order... that's like McDonalds replacing Coca-Cola with Mountain Dew, expecting customers to comply without reservations...
 
calderone said:
S-Video! Composite! VGA! BNC! Coax (any connector!)
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LOL. And Apple’s “Internet set-top box” should have a VCR deck and DVD-ROM too!

DisplayPort? Maybe.
USB? Meh.

I don’t think output choices are a major problem on the Apple TV. The lack of 1080p, the dated and security risk-prone 10.4 OS base, the aging processor and the PATA interface are all much bigger factors IMO.

Apple needs to hire someone well respected from ABC or one of the other big networks to run their iTunes content division (if they want to be a video network, get someone in there who knows how to run one), build a new Apple TV based on “mobile OS X” (complete with an App Store) and the A4 processor and drop the price to $199.

Boom! And El Gato’s EyeTV should be their killer third-party launch application.
 
Google most derivative company ever

Apple is probably the most aggressively innovative tech company on Earth, and Google is shaping up to be the least. A company that just sits around copying is not likely to succeed long...however MS has done pretty well that way.

The google of innovation with Gmail and brilliant search is just looking at what Apple is doing and copying. Google TV...hmm...looks as boring as Apple TV. Way to go.

Android is ok, but so far I like the iPhone OS better. Android is "free" and open. Well, I like Game consoles and I like App consoles. I think they are awesome. I think the multi-tasking feature coming to iPhone OS is lame and I hope I can turn it off (except for being able to run Pandora...the little app switcher having to close Apps - totally a step backward).

H.264 is Apple backed, but not Apples. So...this is just Google trying to solve a problem everyone has. If there is a truly patent free awesome codec...great! We all win...a very very tiny win. Firefox does not do H.264 because the FSF is a bunch of nutty zealots, but other than that every browser is going to work fine with H.264. But it will takes years for everything to go to hardware decoding, which is necessary on mobile devices.

iTunes vs wireless synching. Well, google tried to sell music too, how is that working out? Everything synching through iTunes is kind of lame, and I hope Apple is inspired to make a new mobile device synching software infrastructure. Wireless synching is awesome for small files, I hope Apple does better on their cloud stuff. But by the time Google actually comes out with this stuff instead of just talks about it, Apple might have the same features.

Wheh!. I am really bored. Am I the only one that cannot find an iPad or PS3 south of Houston? I really need something else to do besides type on Macrumors. SONY and APPLE...take my money!
 
ipaid said:
Here is the list of all the jabs thrown at Apple by Google at the keynote. It was unbelievable.
http://buzzintechnology.com/2010/05/google-throws-punches-at-apple-google-io/
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"Vic Gundotra started off the keynote by telling a story that stresses the need for a open mobile operating system and warned that if Google did not do it, the future is bleak; a Draconian future. Showing a the picture with reference to 1984 and title “Not the Future We Want” and said

One man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice. That’s a future we do not want."

You know. for anybody that watched LOST.

The above statement sounds exactly like something John Locke would say.

Just sayin'.

And if everybody uses Android ( Google ) is THAT really what we want ? Think about it.
 
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