A Motorola Razr from 15 years ago still works great, too, as does Windows 98. See where I'm going with this?
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A Motorola Razr from 15 years ago still works great, too, as does Windows 98. See where I'm going with this?
I think you’ve misunderstood like everyone else that’s replied, but at least yours is a reasonable and civil reply.
I am not calling all notches pointless, and I wasn’t talking about the iPhone X, It was basically a dig on the fact that the Pixel 2 had iPhone sized bezels for no apparent reason (well, other than to have more internal space), and it was unnecessary and not utilised. (I.e. saying the Pixel 3 would have a top bezel and a notch for no apparent reason).
Most notches aren’t pointless, although st the same time they may be less justified due to the fact there is still a thicker top/bottom bezel.
Whether it’s better than a top bezel depends on personal preference and whether the phone manufacturer lets you hide the notch by having it act as a bezel but with the top bar still active. In 95% of cases where Android phones have notches, that will make the bezels even which is very important in my opinion. But anyway, contrary to what fanboys keep saying, the notch isn’t here to stay (on the iPhone at least), Apples design and engineering teams know it isn’t ideal and are working towards getting rid of it. Fanboys seem to think it’s a great design choice that Apple has embraced.
The irony here being that Apple really once were the epitome of market leadership. Now, they “do it better”.
Translated: - We Got Lazy - But Do You Care? Clearly Not, Just Look At The Shares! -
Well done, Tim. You’re right. BS Really Does Baffle Brains!
Apple may not have invented a lot of stuff but they definitely perfected it thus causing everyone else to try to copy it and usually fail at it.
Ah okay. I did misunderstand your original statement. A credit to you for clarifying it civilly. I have also heard of Apple working on getting rid of it and it was their original plan, however to get the X out in time they had to include the notch for functionality purposes. I own an X and I think its a wonderful phone for me at this point in time. It does what I need it to do. When I retire soon I am planning on switching to a more simple phone; one that only calls, texts and possibly takes decent photos. I seem to be part of a growing population who are planning to do just that.
Now that android copied notch and UI gestures it’s Ok because the notch is smaller and the UI gestures subjectively improved. ROFL
How hard of an android fan boy do you have to be not to see the iPhone X had it right ALL along.
UI gestures improvements are easy updates with iOS and everyone gets them not just a handful at a time roll out like Oreo.
It makes me like my X that much more.
Essential PH-1 announced first (Notch) and shipped before iPhoneX.
Android didn't copy the notch.
Nova Prime and other Android launchers have had gestures for years. It just wasn't baked into Android.
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There were Windows phones that had fingerprint sensors.
Apple was far from being first.
They popularized them, but since Apple doesn't actually make a fingerprint sensor; they like everyone else had to wait until they became cheap and available.
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Not starting this or next month.
Google has indicated that to get certification and use GAPPS, devices must ship with current Android.
iPhone X actually copied Android with removing physical home button, swipe up gestures, horizontal slider bar, etc. iPhone X did it in late 2017 which is the driver for gestures while Android has supported no physical home button since at least 2013 and has had swipe up gesture along with horizontal slider bar since at least 2016 with Android 7.
2 observations:
#1 - Google Assistant is way more capable and reliable than Siri and it's only getting better with AI. Security wise though, Apple might be more trustworthy. But the sheer speed and accuracy of understanding of Google Assistant on an iPhone vs Siri is really impressive.
#2 - Google and Microsoft's demos are getting way more interesting to watch than the routine Apple Keynotes post Steve Jobs.
#1 - Google Assistant is way more capable and reliable than Siri and it's only getting better with AI. Security wise though, Apple might be more trustworthy. But the sheer speed and accuracy of understanding of Google Assistant on an iPhone vs Siri is really impressive.
#2 - Google and Microsoft's demos are getting way more interesting to watch than the routine Apple Keynotes post Steve Jobs.
You just repeated all the same things you pretty much said in your original post. Are you saying iphone X users are smarter or that the same types of gestures are easier on an iphone?
I've gone through this with the X and it's not that difficult to get used to even with them doing the closing the app gesture wrong.
Apple seems to be doing pretty good with their new gesture based device I think Android will be fine as well. Certainly not a decade long learning curve that's for sure.
While this is all very interesting information, the truth is that 96% of Android devices in operation today will never be updated with Android P.
I say this as someone with a Samsung Galaxy S8+ sitting on my desk as I type this. It took Samsung over seven months to update it to Oreo. I just received the April 1, 2018 security patch this morning (May 9th).
As I have said before, I wish the Android OEM's were embarrassed by their lack of software support. But sadly, they aren't. And I have no idea what can be done to remedy that.
I say this as someone with a Samsung Galaxy S8+ sitting on my desk as I type this. It took Samsung over seven months to update it to Oreo. I just received the April 1, 2018 security patch this morning (May 9th).
As I have said before, I wish the Android OEM's were embarrassed by their lack of software support. But sadly, they aren't. And I have no idea what can be done to remedy that.
Why does everyone have to figure out who copied who? There's tons of stuff Android copied from Apple, and tons of stuff Apple copied from Android. We've come a long way from a time when DROID Does and iPhone Doesn't.
I've had both, with 4 Android phones and an iPhone 4s that lasted at least twice as long as any of the Android phones. Having used both of them, I would have to say that if Android actually worked properly, didn't crash, didn't have Bloatwiz and other skins crapping it up, and didn't have a gazillion gaping security holes, it would be the better platform, hands down. The ecosystem integration is better, the notifications are better, the customization is better.
All that being said, next time around, I'm getting an iPhone. I can't stand the unreliability of Android. Sure, SD cards are great, since they're cheap and you don't have to pay the Apple tax, but mine got corrupted. My whole phone is not even 2 years old, and the battery is unreliable, there's basically no first-party service from Samsung, and it's jerky and inconsistent. Sometimes it seems fast, other times it just hangs for a few seconds for no logical reason. iPhones are consistent and smooth throughout their life, even as they slow down a bit with newer software. Android phones often have better battery life when they are new, but they quickly become unreliable, having great battery life one day and lousy battery life the next. iPhones are much more consistent, and while they don't usually do as well with SoT, they do MUCH better with standby, especially with fluctuating signal strengths.
And there's no contest on security. None. Android is a freaking mess. The same permissions that let you do all sorts of cool things with apps are a complete security/privacy nightmare, Apple's walled garden, while it has big, tall, annoying walls, also keeps out the bad guys and the creeps a LOT better than Android. Oh, and because it's Apple, AT&T can't screw the phone up, or not allow certain functionality (VoLTE, VoWiFi) just because it's an unlocked phone.
I'm really hoping that they fix the iPhone X's reception problems and add 4x4 MIMO and B14 support on the new iPhones in the fall, as the iPhone X design is the future. I was skeptical. The notch is weird. But when I tried it in the store versus an iPhone 8 Plus, it's clear that the future is in the X design. It just feels so much more fluid and easy to use than having to use a button. Apple got the Paradigm right, now let's see if they can nail down the details like the lack of B14, 4x4 MIMO, the reception problems, and the meh battery life (although still far better than most Android phones).
I've had both, with 4 Android phones and an iPhone 4s that lasted at least twice as long as any of the Android phones. Having used both of them, I would have to say that if Android actually worked properly, didn't crash, didn't have Bloatwiz and other skins crapping it up, and didn't have a gazillion gaping security holes, it would be the better platform, hands down. The ecosystem integration is better, the notifications are better, the customization is better.
All that being said, next time around, I'm getting an iPhone. I can't stand the unreliability of Android. Sure, SD cards are great, since they're cheap and you don't have to pay the Apple tax, but mine got corrupted. My whole phone is not even 2 years old, and the battery is unreliable, there's basically no first-party service from Samsung, and it's jerky and inconsistent. Sometimes it seems fast, other times it just hangs for a few seconds for no logical reason. iPhones are consistent and smooth throughout their life, even as they slow down a bit with newer software. Android phones often have better battery life when they are new, but they quickly become unreliable, having great battery life one day and lousy battery life the next. iPhones are much more consistent, and while they don't usually do as well with SoT, they do MUCH better with standby, especially with fluctuating signal strengths.
And there's no contest on security. None. Android is a freaking mess. The same permissions that let you do all sorts of cool things with apps are a complete security/privacy nightmare, Apple's walled garden, while it has big, tall, annoying walls, also keeps out the bad guys and the creeps a LOT better than Android. Oh, and because it's Apple, AT&T can't screw the phone up, or not allow certain functionality (VoLTE, VoWiFi) just because it's an unlocked phone.
I'm really hoping that they fix the iPhone X's reception problems and add 4x4 MIMO and B14 support on the new iPhones in the fall, as the iPhone X design is the future. I was skeptical. The notch is weird. But when I tried it in the store versus an iPhone 8 Plus, it's clear that the future is in the X design. It just feels so much more fluid and easy to use than having to use a button. Apple got the Paradigm right, now let's see if they can nail down the details like the lack of B14, 4x4 MIMO, the reception problems, and the meh battery life (although still far better than most Android phones).
Or people are happy with the thing they've already got. Why is newer all ways better?
Change for the sake of change is not always better.
Newer is not always better.
Change and newer are marketing hype.
The fact that plenty of Android phones will never be upgraded is planned obsolescence.
If it can't be updated and there is some feature you want, they want you to go out an buy the latest widget.
Lack of upgrades forces you to buy a new device.
Well, it is more depressing that Siri is far behind Google Assistant. If Apple can't improve by the time WWDC. They should just remove Siri from iOS. It will be just embarrassing letting people use it.
I'm not going to rush out and get this one I don't like the idea of having to re-learn stuff. I'll play with it on a Pixel and see if I want to flash it on my phone when they drop in October
5% of 90% is still a buttload of people.
95% is an even bigger buttload. I couldn't care less if people want this or that feature or are perfectly happy running Android 6. The problem is, the security holes are horrendous, and lack of timely patches is inexcusable.
That was not the premise of my point, now was it?
Well it is a lot more work to develop a feature-packed OS for around 60%+ of your entire iOS consumer base than it is to develop an OS that will come stock to maybe 5 or 6 flagship devices and will sit in development for compatibility issues with OEMs for a year or 2 before finally being released at which point two newer versions have already been released to the public.
