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You keep repeating this to seeming random comments on this thread for some strange reason.

If you want to talk about that then you should also mention only 5% of those are on the latest OS - and that has been out for 9 months already.
But why should they be on latest OS?
 
If only 5% of android users are on the newest version don't you think those on older versions are happy?
 
Security, features, support, stability, longevity.



No. They're not upgrading because they can't, not because they're content.
I don't get it you're saying only 5% of Android users are running the latest OS but Android still dominates the mobile OS? that means 95% of Android users are having a bad experience, or guess what they are happy with it!
 
I come from a Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and used the S6 in the past, but the one single thing I want from Android is better battery life management! iOS is still 100% after 8 hours overnight. Android 8 and previous version drops down 1% every hour or so... sometimes more. That's all I want!
I agree on that, though I think battery life on Android phones varies by product. My 6S+ and V20 are roughly the same age, and the iPhone gets about 30% better battery life - and that's the case even after swapping in a new battery on the V20 (yes, it has a swappable battery - yay!). I'm guessing Apple's proprietary hardware and software advantage lets them fine tune power management more efficiently.
 
I don't get it you're saying only 5% of Android users are running the latest OS but Android still dominates the mobile OS? that means 95% of Android users are having a bad experience, or guess what they are happy with it!

I think it's more of the fact that many of them are either on payment plans and don't want to (or can't) spring for an early upgrade, or are not tech-savvy enough to know better.
 
I think it's more of the fact that many of them are either on payment plans and don't want to (or can't) spring for an early upgrade, or are not tech-savvy enough to know better.
Or, and I cant understand why people find this hard to believe, what they've got works just great.
 
I don't get it you're saying only 5% of Android users are running the latest OS but Android still dominates the mobile OS? that means 95% of Android users are having a bad experience, or guess what they are happy with it!

Not necessarily, it's could be that it's all they can afford, hence why the vast majority are on old handsets.

For years I wanted a Mac but all I could afford was a PC. I was using Windows, but I sure as hell wasn't happy with it.
 
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Congrats to the 10% of Android users who will have this on their phone in the next year!





At its Google I/O event taking place in Mountain View, California this morning, Google showed off features that are coming in Android P, a new version of Android that's set to launch this fall.

Google is focusing on three parameters for Android P: Simplicity, Intelligence, and Digital Wellbeing. Android P has a new gesture-focused interface, which is similar to the interface that Apple introduced for the iPhone X. "The new design makes Android multitasking more approachable and easier to understand," said Android Engineering VP Dave Burke on stage, after explaining that Google has been working on it for more than a year.

androidpoverview.jpg

Android P does away with the standard three button home, back, and multitasking lineup that's been available on Android devices for the last several years.

Instead, As with the iPhone X, there's a little oblong navigation button at the bottom of the screen that enables several gestures like swiping up to access a card-like interface that displays a search bar and recently used apps. A single upwards swipe goes straight into the app overview, which includes a list of recently used apps as well as a search bar and five predicted apps at the bottom of the display. You can swipe through the apps to go forwards and back through them.

A second swipe up on the button icon opens up an All Apps screen where all of the apps installed on the device are located for quick access. "Architecturally, what we've done is combine the all apps and overview spaces into one," said Burke.

A walkthrough of the interface is available at 2:26:00
As might be familiar to iPhone X users, the swipe up gesture works from anywhere in the Android phone, no matter which app is being used, while a tap brings you to the Home screen. Swiping left or right in a "Quick Scrub" gesture lets you swap between your recently used apps, something taken directly from iOS.

androidpinterface.jpg

All of these gestures look and feel a lot like the swipe-based gestures that are used on the iPhone X to do things like access the Home screen and switch between apps.

Google is focusing on digital health tools in Android P, which is something Apple is also expected to feature in iOS 12. There's a new Android Dashboard that's designed to let you know how much time you're spending on your phone and within individual apps to maximize for meaningful engagement.

The feature will let you set time limits on apps, and after a set amount of time is spent in a given app, the app's icon will be grayed out for the rest of the day to discourage you from continuing to use it.

androiddashboard.jpg

Google is also introducing Do Not Disturb features to silence calls, notifications, text messages, and other alerts. Do Not Disturb can be enabled automatically through a new "Shush" feature that will activate whenever an Android smartphone is turned face down. This automatic activation silences all incoming alerts with the exception of starred contacts so you can still be reached by key contacts in the event of an emergency.

A new Wind Down mode is designed to help Android users prepare for bed. You can set a specific bed time, and when that time rolls around, Do Not Disturb will be enabled and the phone's entire interface will turn gray to discourage people from continuing to use their devices.

androidpwinddown.jpg

In addition to these features, Google is also introducing Adaptive Battery and Auto Brightness options based on personal preferences. With Adaptive Battery, an Android-enabled device predicts the apps that you'll use in the next few hours and expends battery life only on what you're going to use, restricting it from other apps. Google says testers have seen a 30 percent improvement in battery life.

As for auto brightness, it will adjust the brightness of an Android device based on personal preference. It learns how you like your brightness settings in given places and at certain times of day and it sets it for you.

androidpadaptivebrightness.jpg

App actions are being added to predict what users want to do in an app next, offering up shortcuts (another iOS-like feature) to help users do tasks like make a phone call or send a message more quickly. Google is also introducing "Slices," a new developer API that will let "slices" of an app be rendered into various parts of the UI.

androidpsuggestedactions-800x542.jpg

Search will be the first implementation. So when a user searches for an app like Lyft, the search results will include a slice that displays the price for the ride and allows a Lyft to be ordered without having to enter the app.

Google also announced a new ML Kit feature that's similar to Apple's recently announced CoreML machine learning API. ML Kit will let developers access APIs for barcode scanning, landmark detection, smart replies, text recognition, face recognition, image labeling, and more. Developers will also be able to tap into Google's cloud-based machine learning technologies with several ready-to-use models available. ML Kit is cross-platform and available for both iOS and Android apps.

Dozens of other features are coming to Android P, like simplified volume controls, improved notifications, better screenshots, and more, which will be outlined by Google over the rest of the week.

Android P is available in a beta capacity starting today on the Google Pixel and several other flagship devices from various companies.

Article Link: Google Shows Off Android P With New iPhone X-Style Gestures
 
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Security, features, support, stability, longevity.



No. They're not upgrading because they can't, not because they're content.

Security - Likely it's an old phone with the original OS and they don't have a problem with security.
Features - Likely that the earlier OS runs all of the features they want.
Support - For what?
Stability - Likely that they are using their phone - email - texts just as stably as you are.
Longevity - they are still using it, so I guess that's longevity right there!

The point is that Android is more widely used and is more available and meets most people's needs in whatever iteration they have. Anyone using Android who wants to meet your update criteria will have the latest android hardware, just like you no longer have an iPhone 4, and those who don't have the latest hardware/software don't care, just like your friend who does still have an iPhone 4. It's just that with android there are exponentially more users worldwide, so there will be more people who haven't upgraded their phone/software.

My Google Pixel 2 will run Android P. And probably the next Android release next year, and possibly again in 2020, but I will probably have a pixel 3 by then and so on. It's exactly the same with upgrading your iPhone every year. It will support the current OS for maybe 5 years, but after 24 months you won't need it to anyway because you will be selling it on ebay.

Most people probably don't care. They buy a phone for as little as they can, and keep it until they want a new one or it breaks. The minute differences between operating systems don't even come into it.
 
I thought the popular notion was Apple comes late to the party but does it better?

OLED on their phones and HomePod comes to mind.

OLED on their phones... Isn't it Samsung that make the OLED screens, Not Apple?

HomePod... Better sound defiantly, better usability and functionality, Nah, Apple are way off
 
OLED on their phones... Isn't it Samsung that make the OLED screens, Not Apple?

HomePod... Better sound defiantly, better usability and functionality, Nah, Apple are way off

What "better functionality" is that then? Siri? No 3.5 port? No 3rd party streaming?
Please...
 
Security - Likely it's an old phone with the original OS and they don't have a problem with security.
Features - Likely that the earlier OS runs all of the features they want.
Support - For what?
Stability - Likely that they are using their phone - email - texts just as stably as you are.
Longevity - they are still using it, so I guess that's longevity right there!

The point is that Android is more widely used and is more available and meets most people's needs in whatever iteration they have. Anyone using Android who wants to meet your update criteria will have the latest android hardware, just like you no longer have an iPhone 4, and those who don't have the latest hardware/software don't care, just like your friend who does still have an iPhone 4. It's just that with android there are exponentially more users worldwide, so there will be more people who haven't upgraded their phone/software.

My Google Pixel 2 will run Android P. And probably the next Android release next year, and possibly again in 2020, but I will probably have a pixel 3 by then and so on. It's exactly the same with upgrading your iPhone every year. It will support the current OS for maybe 5 years, but after 24 months you won't need it to anyway because you will be selling it on ebay.

Most people probably don't care. They buy a phone for as little as they can, and keep it until they want a new one or it breaks. The minute differences between operating systems don't even come into it.

this guy gets it
 
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At its Google I/O event taking place in Mountain View, California this morning, Google showed off features that are coming in Android P, a new version of Android that's set to launch this fall.

Google is focusing on three parameters for Android P: Simplicity, Intelligence, and Digital Wellbeing. Android P has a new gesture-focused interface, which is similar to the interface that Apple introduced for the iPhone X. "The new design makes Android multitasking more approachable and easier to understand," said Android Engineering VP Dave Burke on stage, after explaining that Google has been working on it for more than a year.

androidpoverview.jpg

Android P does away with the standard three button home, back, and multitasking lineup that's been available on Android devices for the last several years.

Instead, As with the iPhone X, there's a little oblong navigation button at the bottom of the screen that enables several gestures like swiping up to access a card-like interface that displays a search bar and recently used apps. A single upwards swipe goes straight into the app overview, which includes a list of recently used apps as well as a search bar and five predicted apps at the bottom of the display. You can swipe through the apps to go forwards and back through them.

A second swipe up on the button icon opens up an All Apps screen where all of the apps installed on the device are located for quick access. "Architecturally, what we've done is combine the all apps and overview spaces into one," said Burke.

A walkthrough of the interface is available at 2:26:00
As might be familiar to iPhone X users, the swipe up gesture works from anywhere in the Android phone, no matter which app is being used, while a tap brings you to the Home screen. Swiping left or right in a "Quick Scrub" gesture lets you swap between your recently used apps, something taken directly from iOS.

androidpinterface.jpg

All of these gestures look and feel a lot like the swipe-based gestures that are used on the iPhone X to do things like access the Home screen and switch between apps.

Google is focusing on digital health tools in Android P, which is something Apple is also expected to feature in iOS 12. There's a new Android Dashboard that's designed to let you know how much time you're spending on your phone and within individual apps to maximize for meaningful engagement.

The feature will let you set time limits on apps, and after a set amount of time is spent in a given app, the app's icon will be grayed out for the rest of the day to discourage you from continuing to use it.

androiddashboard.jpg

Google is also introducing Do Not Disturb features to silence calls, notifications, text messages, and other alerts. Do Not Disturb can be enabled automatically through a new "Shush" feature that will activate whenever an Android smartphone is turned face down. This automatic activation silences all incoming alerts with the exception of starred contacts so you can still be reached by key contacts in the event of an emergency.

A new Wind Down mode is designed to help Android users prepare for bed. You can set a specific bed time, and when that time rolls around, Do Not Disturb will be enabled and the phone's entire interface will turn gray to discourage people from continuing to use their devices.

androidpwinddown.jpg

In addition to these features, Google is also introducing Adaptive Battery and Auto Brightness options based on personal preferences. With Adaptive Battery, an Android-enabled device predicts the apps that you'll use in the next few hours and expends battery life only on what you're going to use, restricting it from other apps. Google says testers have seen a 30 percent improvement in battery life.

As for auto brightness, it will adjust the brightness of an Android device based on personal preference. It learns how you like your brightness settings in given places and at certain times of day and it sets it for you.

androidpadaptivebrightness.jpg

App actions are being added to predict what users want to do in an app next, offering up shortcuts (another iOS-like feature) to help users do tasks like make a phone call or send a message more quickly. Google is also introducing "Slices," a new developer API that will let "slices" of an app be rendered into various parts of the UI.

androidpsuggestedactions-800x542.jpg

Search will be the first implementation. So when a user searches for an app like Lyft, the search results will include a slice that displays the price for the ride and allows a Lyft to be ordered without having to enter the app.

Google also announced a new ML Kit feature that's similar to Apple's recently announced CoreML machine learning API. ML Kit will let developers access APIs for barcode scanning, landmark detection, smart replies, text recognition, face recognition, image labeling, and more. Developers will also be able to tap into Google's cloud-based machine learning technologies with several ready-to-use models available. ML Kit is cross-platform and available for both iOS and Android apps.

Dozens of other features are coming to Android P, like simplified volume controls, improved notifications, better screenshots, and more, which will be outlined by Google over the rest of the week.

Android P is available in a beta capacity starting today on the Google Pixel and several other flagship devices from various companies.

Article Link: Google Shows Off Android P With New iPhone X-Style Gestures
Both companies "borrow" from one another. Apple takes a lot of the Jailbreaking communities software exploits and implements them into the OS. Its been happening since JBing was a thing. We have all come to accept it. If a company has a great idea for a product it will be replicated by another company to generate revenue..no brainer.
 
Security - Likely it's an old phone with the original OS and they don't have a problem with security.
Features - Likely that the earlier OS runs all of the features they want.
Support - For what?
Stability - Likely that they are using their phone - email - texts just as stably as you are.
Longevity - they are still using it, so I guess that's longevity right there!

The point is that Android is more widely used and is more available and meets most people's needs in whatever iteration they have. Anyone using Android who wants to meet your update criteria will have the latest android hardware, just like you no longer have an iPhone 4, and those who don't have the latest hardware/software don't care, just like your friend who does still have an iPhone 4. It's just that with android there are exponentially more users worldwide, so there will be more people who haven't upgraded their phone/software.

My Google Pixel 2 will run Android P. And probably the next Android release next year, and possibly again in 2020, but I will probably have a pixel 3 by then and so on. It's exactly the same with upgrading your iPhone every year. It will support the current OS for maybe 5 years, but after 24 months you won't need it to anyway because you will be selling it on ebay.

Most people probably don't care. They buy a phone for as little as they can, and keep it until they want a new one or it breaks. The minute differences between operating systems don't even come into it.

Security - Likely it's an old phone with the original OS and they don't have a problem with security.
This makes no sense. Flaws get found all the time and aren't patched on older systems.

Features - Likely that the earlier OS runs all of the features they want.
Rubbish. There's always features on newer OS's that people want.

Support - For what?
See above.

Stability - Likely that they are using their phone - email - texts just as stably as you are.
Nope. Software rots over time if it's not kept in check, especially if they're connected to the internet.

Longevity - they are still using it, so I guess that's longevity right there!
Yes, they're using a broken, insecure, buggy mess.
 
I always take the Android version percentages with a grain of salt since it is across the whole world and all devices. I know there are android fridges, car head units, old ereaders, and picture frames that dont exactly need the latest and greatest android nor should be expected to have it because of the age of hardware.

I wish Google would let you narrow down the data when they put out the Android version pie chart and narrow it down to the type of device and region. I am pretty sure if you looked at US Android phones more than 5% would be on 7.0 or 7.1
 
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I don't get it you're saying only 5% of Android users are running the latest OS but Android still dominates the mobile OS? that means 95% of Android users are having a bad experience, or guess what they are happy with it!

I think Android user communities have crossed the barriers wrt keep upgrading every OS iterations (both major or minor) all the time. I use Tab S2 running Marshmallow and I do not see anything wrong with my tablet without getting upgraded to newer version Oreo.

Most of the Android devices are optimised with the available base OS at the time of launch. When the base OS gets upgraded after some months or years of launch, the OEM need not upgrade the entire OS which may not be optmised for the older hardware. That's why custom skins sometimes implement features and functionality not available in the stock Android ahead of time, selectively (split screen, smart browsing are few examples where Samsung long implemented it before it started hitting the stock Android).

Also, this slow progression and adoption of fragmented ecosystem where latest OS gets adopted bit later, sort of mitigates any defects or security issues etc...from the mainstream user base.

Users are currently oblivious to the OS versions.
 
Great. Another thing to note when having a debate with an android fanboy about who copies who.
lolz. Nokia, then Blackberry. If I'm not mistaken, Palm also had some gesture based control, not as good as Nokia or Blackberry.

Apple isn't the innovator of gesture based control. Look it up.
 
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