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Saladinos said:
Google sell that information to advertisers. Apple don't. Fact.
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they dont sell your favorite meal you recently posted on instagram to advertisers. they simply collect and make a pool of information of everyone to show advertisers what seems popular right now based on those results.

its not like google is gonna call mc donalds "hey mr. xy with the phone number 1234 checked into a burger king restaurant today. its time to throw more mc donalds ads at mr. xy.

i see nothing wrong with that. they provide you with lots of useful tools for free, of course they want to make some profit out of it
 
Saladinos said:
The difference is not what they can technically do, but what they do with that information.

Google sell that information to advertisers. Apple don't. Fact.

Also, Apple can't read iMessages. And I very much doubt they're going to start sending audio to everyone's devices (I don't know where you get the read audio part, like they can listen in on you - AFAIK you just pulled that out of your arse).
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Google dont sell the information to advertisers - thats a fact.

Apple Can read iMessages - thats a fact : http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/0...key-when-it-comes-to-icloud-security-privacy/

As for the audio - use find my iPhone. You have the ability to 'ping' your phone. The audio file used for that 'ping' is not stored on the phone, it gets transferred from Apple servers. Thus, they have the ability (again, would never use it) to play audio on your phone.

The listening to audio comes from iCloud side of things. We already know Siri audio is stored on their servers, Facetime runs through their servers (obviously) and is likely cached for a period in the same way. Not pulling anything out of my arse, just being logical. It makes sense to keep things like that stored, even if its only for a couple of minutes.

(Note I'm not saying they would ever take advantage of their 'powers' here - that'd be crazy).

Back on to the advertising side of things, Google dont sell any form of info to anyone - they use the same practice every major web ad agency uses.

Mr Advertiser goes to Google and says 'I own a Golf Shop, I want to advertise to Golfers in Florida'. Google then target his adverts to only show to people who's (optional) search history show them as looking up Golf related terms, and are located in Florida.

That really is how simple it is. To actually sell information directly to advertisers would actually be detrimental to their business model.

And for what its worth - Apple use this same business model with iAds, They use your app and music trends to show iAds relevant to your interests.

Its not a bad thing. It's a good thing. People really dont get that part.

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bag of kittens said:
Google sells information, Apple sells hardware. You can rationalize it all you want, but this is how the companies make their money.
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Read my last post. Then provide me some solid evidence that 'Google sells information'.
 
bag of kittens said:
Take a look at their annual reports, which can be found online. Look at the how their revenue is broken out. You will find it there.
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Once again, Google isn't selling your data, they're selling ad space. I dunno why some people absolutely refuse to believe this...or can't wrap their heads around it.

See, if Google sells your information, they can only do it a set number of times per year. Once an advertiser has that information, they can market directly to you. Google no longer becomes a part of the equation. But if Google sells ad space, then they can offer their service to advertisers to do their work for them. It works kind of like a subscription in a way. A company pays Google X amount of money to advertise for them over the course of a year. The advertiser sees nothing of what you've been doing. Google does all the leg work getting the info, and placing the ads where they're most likely to get a click.

Your personal information, most of which is drilled down and distilled to depersonalized statistics, don't ever leave Google's servers.
 
Oletros said:
In their annual or quarterly reports I can't find anything related to SELLING information to others? Can you link to any of those parts?
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I don't think you've ever read an annual report in your life, to be honest. If you are patient, take the time to read it, it will tell you a lot about their business, how they actually make money to subsidize the neat non-revenue generating software that people like.
 
fivedots said:
They don't sell your data to anybody. They use the data to display you targeted ads and charge advertisers for providing that level of segmentation.

They aren't "selling your data" any more than a census is.
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Yeah. Because after I take the census, and they find out that im a male between the age of 18-35, living in city, state -> they will send me a tailored Best Buy ad in my mailbox.

Very similar (sarcasm).
 
bag of kittens said:
I don't think you've ever read an annual report in your life, to be honest. If you are patient, take the time to read it, it will tell you a lot about their business, how they actually make money to subsidize the neat non-revenue generating software that people like.
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here you go.

Point out to me where it says Google is making money selling data directly to advertisers.

You can say "oh you're ignorant", and "blah blah blah you don't know what you're talking about" all you want. Proving they don't is another matter entirely. See if you can do it.
 
bag of kittens said:
Google sells information, Apple sells hardware. You can rationalize it all you want, but this is how the companies make their money.
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i hate this "google sells your personal information argument"

because it's wrong.

what google does is a holy hell metric tonne of analytic of data.

it is this data that they sell. They do not sell personalize information that is traceable to you as an individual

Do you know why they don't? Because that practice is HIGHLY illegal in many countries. Canada for example, would outright ban Google and it's services if it were ever found violating that, with potential jailtime for executives found braeking that very strict law (http://www.priv.gc.ca/leg_c/leg_c_p_e.asp).

Want to know something else thats amazing. EVery company does this form of analytic behaviour in order to determine the best way of targetting you with advertisments and services.

They then sell this compounded data to 3rd parties for whatever reason they want.

But again. Your personal information is, and should never ever, be sold. And should you be able to prove otherwise, you should be reporting it to your authorities, especially if you're in a nation (again, such as Canada) with strong privacy legislation.

heck, Canada threatened to ban the entirety of Facebook from Canadian networks, as far as threatening zucckerberg with criminal indictment if Facebook didnt fix their privacy policy.

so please.. Can everyone drop this "they sell your information" misinformation. it's tiring

Google Does it. Apple does it. Mirosoft Does it. Your Credit Cards do it. Your banks do and so forth and so on. Heck, I have a few friends who work developing the software that actually comes through the petabytes of information collected by all these different sources to actually use it in any meaningful way
 
Djtrackie said:
Yeah. Because after I take the census, and they find out that im a male between the age of 18-35, living in city, state -> they will send me a tailored Best Buy ad in my mailbox.

Very similar (sarcasm).
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Actually, almost exactly. I can easily access aggregate demographic data right down to the zip/postal code in many cases and use it to target direct mail advertisements. Happens all the time.

Sure, it's not as precise but it is a very similar concept.
 
bushido said:
they dont sell your favorite meal you recently posted on instagram to advertisers. they simply collect and make a pool of information of everyone to show advertisers what seems popular right now based on those results.

its not like google is gonna call mc donalds "hey mr. xy with the phone number 1234 checked into a burger king restaurant today. its time to throw more mc donalds ads at mr. xy.
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Actually they kind of do-do that. If u look at something while signed in on google, ie: remote control cars. Next thing you know, you'll notice remote control car ads and hobby shops everywhere u go on the Internet. Google placed ads. Lovely.
 
LordVic said:
i hate this "google sells your personal information argument"

because it's wrong.

what google does is a holy hell metric tonne of analytic of data.

it is this data that they sell. They do not sell personalize information that is traceable to you as an individual

Do you know why they don't? Because that practice is HIGHLY illegal in many countries. Canada for example, would outright ban Google and it's services if it were ever found violating that, with potential jailtime for executives found braeking that very strict law (http://www.priv.gc.ca/leg_c/leg_c_p_e.asp).

Want to know something else thats amazing. EVery company does this form of analytic behaviour in order to determine the best way of targetting you with advertisments and services.

They then sell this compounded data to 3rd parties for whatever reason they want.

But again. Your personal information is, and should never ever, be sold. And should you be able to prove otherwise, you should be reporting it to your authorities, especially if you're in a nation (again, such as Canada) with strong privacy legislation.

heck, Canada threatened to ban the entirety of Facebook from Canadian networks, as far as threatening zucckerberg with criminal indictment if Facebook didnt fix their privacy policy.

so please.. Can everyone drop this "they sell your information" misinformation. it's tiring

Google Does it. Apple does it. Mirosoft Does it. Your Credit Cards do it. Your banks do and so forth and so on. Heck, I have a few friends who work developing the software that actually comes through the petabytes of information collected by all these different sources to actually use it in any meaningful way
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THIS but people on here will never get it.

the EU would be on their ass in a minute if they were selling your soul to the advertisers just like they were after apple recently because they didnt precisely state what they use the data for
 
bag of kittens said:
I don't think you've ever read an annual report in your life, to be honest. If you are patient, take the time to read it, it will tell you a lot about their business, how they actually make money to subsidize the neat non-revenue generating software that people like.
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Google and the like don't actualyl sell your personal information to advertisers for direct marketting.

What they do (read my above comments) is analyze your behaviour, and then sell to the advertiser "we can make sure your ad is seen by X amount of peopel who meet the criteria you set".

it is then Google who uses the data and says "hey, this shmoe visits a lot of porn sites, maybe he's lonely, we'll send him an OKCupid link now."

OK Cupid then pays Google for google sending you that link in a targetted add.

There are times that yes, the analized data is sold to 3rd parties for marketting reasearch. However, as I mentioned above, it is most often illegal for any personal information to be linked to that data sold
 
bushido said:
they dont sell your favorite meal you recently posted on instagram to advertisers. they simply collect and make a pool of information of everyone to show advertisers what seems popular right now based on those results.

its not like google is gonna call mc donalds "hey mr. xy with the phone number 1234 checked into a burger king restaurant today. its time to throw more mc donalds ads at mr. xy.

i see nothing wrong with that. they provide you with lots of useful tools for free, of course they want to make some profit out of it
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BS. Google don't sell a twitter-like "trending topics" list.

Google build a complete and total profile of you. They try to figure out if you're male or female, black or white, what age you are, where you live, if you want to college, etc. Advertisers can then say, "oh, only show this ad to black single mothers", and it'll pop up on your screen (assuming you are). What happens when it's "black single mothers who live in Manchester but work just outside, aged between 24-28, who went to Manchester University"? Google can provide that level of granularity and that's not OK.

With things like the new, personalised Maps, Google's going even further. They want to know your favourite hangouts, your route to work, who your friends are and all the information about them.

Google will end up knowing you better than your spouse does. That's their goal and it's scary how far they're getting.

To me, that is an invasion of my privacy. Nobody has a right to that information. It's bad enough now, but it's getting worse - the more information you have, and the more granular that information is, the less anonymous it becomes. Yes, you can remove real names and IP addresses, but that doesn't make it anonymous.

Advertisers don't want you to have anonymity from them; they want a complete, granular, accurate profile of you. The more granular and accurate it becomes, the easier it is to extrapolate back to who it represents. In Google's perfect world, they could use Google+ to find people who exactly match this very granular profile and end up right back at you.

Google is selling our information. You can try and re-word it all you like, but that is what they are doing.

Apple, on the other hand, don't do any of that. It's not about the data that's collected per se, but rather the volume of data and what Google go with it that's the problem.
 
bag of kittens said:
I don't think you've ever read an annual report in your life, to be honest.
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Yap, what I thought, you don't know what you're talking about and when you have been caught you try to insult others.

Well, the one being an ignorant and the one that has not read a Google quarterly or annual report is you.

Google, or Apple with iAds don't sell any information, they sell a ****ing ad space to others. Both of them do it.
 
Djtrackie said:
Actually they kind of do-do that. If u look at something while signed in on google, ie: remote control cars. Next thing you know, you'll notice remote control car ads and hobby shops everywhere u go on the Internet. Google placed ads. Lovely.
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Sure, they target ads to you using your data. But they are not giving the data to anybody. The advertiser says "target people who like remote control cars" and Google uses the data to do this. They don't send a list of everybody who is into them back to the advertiser. It's a pretty simple concept.
 
Saladinos said:
BS. Google don't sell a twitter-like "trending topics" list.

Google build a complete and total profile of you. They try to figure out if you're male or female, black or white, what age you are, where you live, if you want to college, etc. Advertisers can then say, "oh, only show this ad to black single mothers", and it'll pop up on your screen (assuming you are).

With things like the new, personalised Maps, Google's going even further. They want to know your favourite hangouts, your route to work, who your friends are and all the information about them.

Google will end up knowing you better than your spouse does. That's their goal and it's scary how far they're getting.

To me, that is an invasion of my privacy. Nobody has a right to that information. It's bad enough now, but it's getting worse - the more information you have, and the more granular that information is, the less anonymous it becomes. Yes, you can remove real names and IP addresses, but that doesn't make it anonymous.

Advertisers don't want you to have anonymity from them; they want a complete, granular, accurate profile of you. The more granular and accurate it becomes, the easier it is to extrapolate back to who it represents. In Google's perfect world, they could use Google+ to find people who exactly match this very granular profile and end up right back at you.

Google is selling our information. You can try and re-word it all you like, but that is what they are doing.

Apple, on the other hand, don't do any of that. It's not about the data that's collected per se, but rather the volume of data and what Google go with it that's the problem.
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LordVic said it all. do you honestly believe advertisers get a "persona" of every user lmao the EU would be after them in a heart beat. google sells ad space. mc donald tells google "hey we want to advertise the new burger xy" so google is like "okay ill look in our anonym pool of data with "people" that may like the new fat burger xxl". mc donalds doesnt get all the data google collects and can pick out mr xy living in xy of the age xy lets target him

but believe what you want im outta here
 
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