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Well I'll just stick to using Google Maps on my Mac, taking a screenshot and sending it to my iPod Touch through USB until they figure out a way to have maps offline!
 
I take it you are aware that at any time Apple can:

- Track your location
- View your browsing history
- View your documents
- View your Mac's (approx.) location
- Send and receive Audio from your devices
- Obviously read iMessages
- View your photos
- etc
Tell me, how is this different from what Google can do?

You're simply wrong. iMessages, documents in the cloud, including browsing history, etc, are encrypted. Apple cannot decrypt it without violating their privacy policy (Which only allows them to do this with a court order.)

Google reads all this stuff as a matter of policy.

Why do you assume that they are the same?

And don't give me that "I'm not a fanboy" line.... you're making up facts to try and defend Google's business model, by claiming that Apple does the same thing. Why would you do that without motivation?

If you were ignorant enough of the situation to not know that Apple encrypted this data, you wouldn't be motivated to comment in the first place.
 
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Well I'll just stick to using Google Maps on my Mac, taking a screenshot and sending it to my iPod Touch through USB until they figure out a way to have maps offline!
This is a shame and would be huge for travel. It's in the Android version, you can actually draw a box around a region you'd like cached offline. Was hoping this would come to iOS.
 
All i know is that google = sell your information to advertisers. how else do they make money.

Apple = didn’t want to sell your info, therefore they said NO to google maps on the iphone. Apple makes money from you buying the iphone.

Incredible how ppl fail to grasp Google's business model after all those years.
 
I wasn't talking about android, I was talking about google maps, on the web, you know the product this MacRumors article is about?
 
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I wasn't talking about android, I was talking about google maps, on the web, you know the product this MacRumors article is about?

Umm, the first line of this article is:

"At the Google I/O keynote in San Francisco this morning, Google demonstrated an upcoming overhaul for its mobile mapping apps on iOS and Android and announced an iPad version of Google Maps that will hit the App Store this summer."
 
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I wasn't talking about android, I was talking about google maps, on the web, you know the product this MacRumors article is about?.

Google Maps on the web uses some form of WebGL to do its things. Vectors have been supported on it since...I dunno...at least a year now.

Then again, I'm arguing with someone who keeps changing the goalposts (Google Maps doesn't have vectors...no wait...Google Maps on the web doesn't have vectors, no wait...), and probably doesn't even know what the difference between a vector and a rasterized image is.

QUICK! GET ON DUCKDUCKGO AND LOOK IT UP! JUST LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING BEFORE YOU EVEN STARTED THIS ENTIRELY POINTLESS ARGUMENT!
 
Boring keynote and way too long.

My great-grandfather used to say to his wife, my great-grandmother, who in turn told her daughter, my grandmother, who repeated it to her daughter, my mother, who used to remind her daughter, my own sister, that to talk well and eloquently was a very great art. but that an equally great one was to know the right moment to stop.

How about a shorter keynote?

-Siri
 
Please enable external display and control. I want to use it with my Pioneer Appradio 2. Pleeeease.

I'm hoping ios7 gives far better in dash support. I just want smartphone navi on my car screen with touch control.
 
Ok, you want to play that game. Lets get to it.

You're simply wrong. iMessages, documents in the cloud, including browsing history, etc, are encrypted. Apple cannot decrypt it without violating their privacy policy (Which only allows them to do this with a court order.)

Could you cite a source for that?

Google reads all this stuff as a matter of policy.

And a source for that?

Why do you assume that they are the same?
The same in what sense? Your belief is that some nutter is sitting at Google HQ reading your browsing habits and emails.

In my view (and the view of most of the sane world) is that NEITHER read ANY of your info. Sure, they both COULD but wouldn't.

So, yes - in that sense, they are the same.

And don't give me that "I'm not a fanboy" line.... you're making up facts to try and defend Google's business model, by claiming that Apple does the same thing. Why would you do that without motivation?

Pot, meet kettle.

I was providing a logical response to an irrational post. People always make these wild claims that Google steal your info, Google sell your info or Google violates your privacy. When it comes to backing it up by providing some sort of info on Google regularly violating anyones privacy, they vanish or cite the same old Safari source. (Note I dont agree with what Google did there - that was majorly out of order)

If you were ignorant enough of the situation to not know that Apple encrypted this data, you wouldn't be motivated to comment in the first place.

I'm fully aware that Apple provides a level of data encryption. Thats great that they do that. But there's a slight problem. Apple hold a master decryption key, so my point still stands - they could (but obviously never would) do all sorts of stuff with your data.

Source: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/0...key-when-it-comes-to-icloud-security-privacy/

And I'll repeat it again - I am not a fanboy. I've owned Macs for years, I sit here typing this on a rMBP, I own an iPhone and an iPad which I use daily. On the flip side, I own a Nexus 7 tablet for development (I write iOS and Android Apps on the side, so need a couple of devices to test apps out on).

It is possible to disagree with a companies business practices without resorting to "them vs us" - I use Google and Apple stuff daily, some of their stuff is crap, some of it is great - thats as far as it goes for me. What I dont like is when people start making claims that "Google sucks because they steal your data" or "Apple sucks because they keep Siri recordings on their servers". It's all nonsense and nothing you, I or anyone else here says will get 'real' answers, just more fud with nothing to back it up.
 
This maps app makes me want to stay with Google Maps. Haven't touched Apple Maps since Google Maps came out. Apple has to do something significant to make me and other similar users like me switch back to Apple maps.
 
I take it you are aware that at any time Apple can:

- Track your location
- View your browsing history
- View your documents
- View your Mac's (approx.) location
- Send and receive Audio from your devices
- Obviously read iMessages
- View your photos
- etc

They also (very obviously) track what your interests are based on apps, music and videos you download, and such.

Tell me, how is this different from what Google can do?

(Note: For reference I am not a 'fanboy' of any brand - I use products that do what I need, and hold no loyal 'ties' to Apple or Google just for the sake of it)

The difference is not what they can technically do, but what they do with that information.

Google sell that information to advertisers. Apple don't. Fact.

Also, Apple can't read iMessages. And I very much doubt they're going to start sending audio to everyone's devices (I don't know where you get the read audio part, like they can listen in on you - AFAIK you just pulled that out of your arse).

Yes, they show you recommendations based on things you bought from that same store while clearly logged in to an account. That is nothing close to similar to what Google does.
 
You said you weren't talking about Android because this MacRumors post was about the web product. It's not. It's about the mobile apps, the quote was irrefutable evidence. You are wrong, plain and simple.

The funny thing is that even with his goal changed he is still wrong, Google has had vector maps for the web service since 2.011 using MapsGL
 
The funny thing is that even with his goal changed he is still wrong, Google has had vector maps for the web service since 2.011 using MapsGL

You're doing something wrong when you're moving your own goal posts and still can't score.
 
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Google sell that information to advertisers. Apple don't. Fact.

Oh good god. Why is it that every time a Google topic comes up, people feel the need to throw in this already-well-disproven little nugget of fun-fact.

Google doesn't sell your information to advertisers. They sell advertising space. There is a HUGE amount of difference between what Google does, and what you think they do.
 
Ok, you want to play that game. Lets get to it.



Could you cite a source for that?



And a source for that?

The same in what sense? Your belief is that some nutter is sitting at Google HQ reading your browsing habits and emails.

In my view (and the view of most of the sane world) is that NEITHER read ANY of your info. Sure, they both COULD but wouldn't.

So, yes - in that sense, they are the same.



Pot, meet kettle.

I was providing a logical response to an irrational post. People always make these wild claims that Google steal your info, Google sell your info or Google violates your privacy. When it comes to backing it up by providing some sort of info on Google regularly violating anyones privacy, they vanish or cite the same old Safari source. (Note I dont agree with what Google did there - that was majorly out of order)



I'm fully aware that Apple provides a level of data encryption. Thats great that they do that. But there's a slight problem. Apple hold a master decryption key, so my point still stands - they could (but obviously never would) do all sorts of stuff with your data.

Source: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/0...key-when-it-comes-to-icloud-security-privacy/

And I'll repeat it again - I am not a fanboy. I've owned Macs for years, I sit here typing this on a rMBP, I own an iPhone and an iPad which I use daily. On the flip side, I own a Nexus 7 tablet for development (I write iOS and Android Apps on the side, so need a couple of devices to test apps out on).

It is possible to disagree with a companies business practices without resorting to "them vs us" - I use Google and Apple stuff daily, some of their stuff is crap, some of it is great - thats as far as it goes for me. What I dont like is when people start making claims that "Google sucks because they steal your data" or "Apple sucks because they keep Siri recordings on their servers". It's all nonsense and nothing you, I or anyone else here says will get 'real' answers, just more fud with nothing to back it up.


Google sells information, Apple sells hardware. You can rationalize it all you want, but this is how the companies make their money.
 
This is a shame and would be huge for travel. It's in the Android version, you can actually draw a box around a region you'd like cached offline. Was hoping this would come to iOS.

That's exactly what I'd need! My girlfriend has a newer iPod Touch with a camera, and she just takes a photo of the map on the computer screen, it's one step better than my method (no camera on my iPod) :D

I guess this is even more of a big deal of iPad users, since WiFi-only iPads are more common than the 3G version. So no matter what fancy features maps has, who cares? It won't work without a connection, which means it won't work on most iPads and any iPod Touches, especially right when you need it. Unless you're lost in your own kitchen and are too lazy to walk up to your computer.

You never, ever have WiFi when you need it on the go, and the network called "Free Public Wifi" either doesn't work ("no internet connection"), asks you to fill out a survey that would take you half an hour on a smartphone screen, or it simply asks you to pay for it. (I'd love an app that would find the location of the person who named the WiFi hotspot so I could beat them up!)
 
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