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- Desperation move by Motorola.
- Necessary and opportunistic move by Google.
- Probably a small win for Microsoft, Google is now a hardware maker - gives them (MS) opportunity to make stronger ties with Samsung, HTC, etc
- Small loss for Apple, because it's harder for them to go after smartphone competitors
- Samsung, LG, HTC, should be happy but nervous (Google is a partner, but a direct competitor)
- Not sure what it means for HP or RIM... probably bad.
 
Anyone else amazed at how many patent experts we have at MacRumors?
 
I'm personally amazed at the PR experts who can tell you exactly what the hidden meaning is in PR blurbs. :rolleyes:

As a PR expert - all I can say is (and I haven't posted in this thread about meanings) that it's equally interested to see the biases so explicitly in how press releases are interpreted based on who puts it out - Apple or Google.
 
Google said they are running Motrolla as a separate business, its quite clear all they wanted were the patents. Maybe they will use them to punish Apple and Microsoft. Only time will tell.

I personally think they wont charge their OEMS like HTC money to license any patents they may be using. They are not going to charge their customers money and make Android look less attractive.

This is a great move for the future of Android.
 
Anyone who thinks Samsung, HTC, etc. really see this as good news for them is delirious.

Android's faux "Free and Open" persona was just unmasked.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - Google

So is this Google's new mission statement?

There is an extraordinary breadth and depth and tenure among the Apple executive team, and these executives lead over 35,000 employees that I would call "all wicked smart". And that's in all areas of the company, from engineering to marketing to operations and sales and all the rest. And the values of our company are extremely well entrenched.

We believe that we're on the face of the Earth to make great products, and that's not changing. We're constantly focusing on innovating. We believe in the simple, not the complex. We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products we make, and participate only in markets where we can make a significant contribution.

We believe in saying no to thousands of projects so that we can really focus on the few that are truly important and meaningful to us. We believe in deep collaboration and cross-pollination of our groups, which allow us to innovate in a way that others cannot.

And frankly, we don't settle for anything less than excellence in every group in the company, and we have the self-honesty to admit when we're wrong and the courage to change. And I think, regardless of who is in what job, those values are so embedded in this company that Apple will do extremely well.

--- Tim Cook, 2009

If Google is serious about the vertical game, it had better be.
 
How much money does Google actually make out of Android?

Answer: Pretty much nothing. As in zero dollars, or more likely a loss. Its hard to make much when you give something away for free.

So its hard for me to understand your assertion RE Apple, which is piling up profits by the billion from its iOS operating system.

Google's acquisition of Motorola Mobility only makes sense from a "patent warchest" perspective. ie. The best defense in a tech. patent case is a big portfolio of your own patents, which most likely are being infringed by the people suing you.

Google found itself the odd man out in the weird game of musical chairs that developed over the Nortel patents. By declining to join the Microsoft/Apple partnership it found itself in a position where it simply didn't have a mobile phone patent portfolio to speak of. Not a good place to be if your are supposedly the leading mobile phone OS developer. So the $4 billion that Apple/Microsoft paid for Nortel's patents was too much - but the $12 billion Google paid for Motorola is a good deal? I wonder how many Google shareholders will see it that way - especially if Google is unable to turn this acquisition into a profit-maker.

Google's relationship with its Android partners (a contradiction in terms if ever there was one) is likely to get complicated. As Horace Dediu so succinctly put it:



Emphasis Mine.

Thanks for the link. I totally agree with Horace's final analysis about Google thinking about other OEMs - "naive at best"
 
Motorola has been building phones and other devices for a very, very long time. I'm willing to bet a significant portion of those 17,000 patents are useless.

If Apple was able to create the original iPhone without infringing on any of these patents while evolving the iPhone to what it is today, I think it is safe to say that many of Motorola patents are useless. Of the 7,500 pending, I bet there is some good stuff in there. But who knows?

Motorola has build poor quality devices for years. They just don't hold up. Now Google owns a poor device maker and gives out Android for free. I don't see this as a victory for Google.
 
Motorola has been building phones and other devices for a very, very long time. I'm willing to bet a significant portion of those 17,000 patents are useless.

If Apple was able to create the original iPhone without infringing on any of these patents while evolving the iPhone to what it is today, I think it is safe to say that many of Motorola patents are useless. Of the 7,500 pending, I bet there is some good stuff in there. But who knows?

Motorola has build poor quality devices for years. They just don't hold up. Now Google owns a poor device maker and gives out Android for free. I don't see this as a victory for Google.


Many of them are probably expired by now too.
 
Anyone who thinks Samsung, HTC, etc. really see this as good news for them is delirious.

Android's faux "Free and Open" persona was just unmasked.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - Google

I agree. The Android project is not as 'free and open' as Google makes it out to be. Google still calls all the shots... It's still their way or the highway. HTC, LG etc should be happy, but nervous.
 
you Apple fans are taking this news way too personel. Stop trying to live your life through Apple. Just because Apple is about to get their ass kicked in court.
 
Apple invented the PDA, this is just a logical evolution. What patents do you believe Apple stole? The bought the company that had the capacitative touch patents. The already had many patents of their own. The suit between them and Nokia was based on Nokia undervaluing Apples patents in trade, not on any patent stealing done by Apple.

So name one patent (by number would be nice) that Apple stole. Oh thats right, you can't.
Are you on drugs ? who told you Apple invented the pda? Look at who is suing Apple for patent infringement,now look them up by number yourself.:rolleyes:
 
Planet Earth?

See Apple Newton, "the first Personal Digital Assistant" in 1993.

Seems you're the alien one.

According to Wikipedia: The first PDA was released in 1986 by Psion, the Organizer II. Followed by Psion's Series 3, in 1991, which began to resemble the more familiar PDA style. It also had a full keyboard. [3][4]

The term PDA was first used on January 7, 1992 by Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, referring to the Apple Newton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant

But samcraig is still being annoying.
 
Motorola has been building phones and other devices for a very, very long time. I'm willing to bet a significant portion of those 17,000 patents are useless.

If Apple was able to create the original iPhone without infringing on any of these patents while evolving the iPhone to what it is today, I think it is safe to say that many of Motorola patents are useless. Of the 7,500 pending, I bet there is some good stuff in there. But who knows?

Motorola has build poor quality devices for years. They just don't hold up. Now Google owns a poor device maker and gives out Android for free. I don't see this as a victory for Google.

Wouldn't that be the same as all those old Nortel patents?
 
I'm personally amazed at the PR experts who can tell you exactly what the hidden meaning is in PR blurbs. :rolleyes:


Just a strange coincidence that all the press releases used the same language. :rolleyes:

EDIT: This still does nothing to help Google with their Oracle suit and their FTC troubles.
 
According to Wikipedia: The first PDA was released in 1986 by Psion, the Organizer II. Followed by Psion's Series 3, in 1991, which began to resemble the more familiar PDA style. It also had a full keyboard. [3][4]

The term PDA was first used on January 7, 1992 by Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, referring to the Apple Newton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant

But samcraig is still being annoying.

Yes - clearly I'm annoying because I stated facts instead of jumping on the (incorrect) bandwagon. I guess someone can post that you're annoying too after a few responses when they read your retread of my post LOL
 
GoogleTV has already been resurrected with the $99 price. The honeycomb update will be beneficial too. You make a good point that GTV could be added to other motorola products too. Another win for google.


Wait. Selling a product below cost is now a product resurrection?
 
Yes - clearly I'm annoying because I stated facts instead of jumping on the (incorrect) bandwagon. I guess someone can post that you're annoying too after a few responses when they read your retread of my post LOL
I wouldn't worry about it we know the didn't truly invent it but the name pda.
 
Good news for all:

Google/Moto: Better hardware and software integrated handsets
Apple: Better competition will inspire even better products
Consumers: Better products, lower prices.

Now, if we could just get these kinds of chains of logic applying to the service plans... where the real money is made. The latter is where we need some real competition, innovation and better options for consumers.
 
Yes - clearly I'm annoying because I stated facts instead of jumping on the (incorrect) bandwagon. I guess someone can post that you're annoying too after a few responses when they read your retread of my post LOL

Well, no. I'd say you were annoying because you used all CAPS.
 
This smacks of desperation to me. Paying a 60% premium for the worst of the Android manufacturers. Not to mention having to integrate 19,000 employes into your 29,000 employee company. Google down 3% pre-market. They must really be infringing on a ton of others patents.

Validates Apple's business model.

Samsung and HTC must be livid. Like they want to compete for hardware sales with the guys who make their OS.

I think RIMM is now officially done.

RIM isn't done, government & business will always use their products, and so will consumers that like the Blackberry smartphone/Playbook. They'll probably be competing with Microsoft, HP, and other less popular smartphone vendors though.
 
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