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Why are you all talking about hardware like it's the only thing that matters?

Like Amazon, Google is not a one trick "hardware" pony as they offer strong products in web services, cloud infrastructure, data services, and much much more.
Google's revenues are 90% from advertising. I'd say that's a one trick pony. It's just a pony Wall Street happens to like.

Nothing "meh" - but I wouldn't call it all that innovative either. It's a good implementation and perhaps a bit evolutionary of what has already been done. Not that it's not a solid product and a welcome addition to the product line. But to me, it doesn't really have "wow" factor like some other things Apple has created/implemented/etc
Really? What was a wow factor outside of iPhone?
 
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Macbook should have had two USB ports.
iPad Pro should have ran a tweaked version of OS X geared for touch.
iMac 4K should have came with an SSD.
Apple TV should have had 4K compatibility for use with home videos shot on iPhone 6S.
iPad Pro should have 128GB base storage, and have the 32GB model only sold as an enterprise model.

These are all things people seem to agree on, and there isn't much of an argument for Apple to have done this. Just start finishing your products before you release them Apple...
You hit the nail on the head for me. Not that Apple is doomed either but they could make some minor tweaks and make a lot of people happy.
 
I saw this posted on hacker news...

Does Apple do research in biotech (Alphabet's Calico)? Are they developing drones delivering wireless internet to the world (Google's Skybender)? Do they have an investment arm (Google Ventures)? Did they start an ISP (Google Fiber)?

People see Alphabet's increasing outreach that almost seems ludicrous. Then they compare this with Apple who seems to have been doing iPhones and iPads for 6-10 years, and doesn't seem to be interested in anything else (though this is slowly changing with Apple apparently getting into home automation and self-driving vehicles). It doesn't matter if it is true or not. This is what people perceive. This is what make them value Google more than Apple. For all we know smartphones and tablets could be disrupted by another technology (the same way PCs were disrupted by phones and tablets) and Apple may not be ready for this next tech disruption, while Google is placing bets in many other markets.
Stock price and company valuation should be based on fundamentals not speculative moon shots. The vast majority of Alphabet revenue comes from Google, which is 90% advertising. I don't disagree that Apple is undervalued because of perception. But Google's stock price didn't jump today because of moo shots that are basically moneypits.
 
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A) This is completely non news.
B) I'm glad two top tier tech companies are the biggest in the world. It was such a shame when the biggest companies were archaic oil dealers.

Without oil, where would tech companies be? Or, if you have a solution to the miracle oil has been, I suspect we're all open to reading ideas...

MBPs/Minis should come with PROPER graphics cards, expandable RAM and space for a new HD. Even with high-end MBPs/Minis you're crippled by in-built graphics (even if you pay $5k+ for a machine with maxed out RAM, maxed out HD, retina display and the fastest i7). IMO this is a massive farce...

Possibly. More power for the buck allows content creators to be that much more efficient. But Apple's not exactly embraced and hugged the business world before, and its profit margin would drop (but not by too much, oddly) if it had.

Remember, PC builders can find better performing hardware than the comparable Mac and it'd be considerably lower in cost, and built to last with liquid cooling, larger and better placement of fans, and so on. Yes, it runs Windows or Linux - but it's not the OS but the apps that run on the OS. Which is also why BeOS failed and it beats the snot out of anything else, especially FreeBSD (which OSX and IOS are built on).

Agreed. They themselves forget that if they do this instead of being money-greedy, much more people will want to purchase those products instead of looking for alternatives.

Assuming people have money to spend. The other news articles keep reminding us of stagnating wages, higher cost of living, jobs vanishing, jobs offshoring, and the continual spiral that people seem to enjoy.
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Stock price and company valuation should be based on fundamentals not speculative moon shots. The vast majority of Alphabet revenue comes from Google, which is 90% advertising. I don't disagree that Apple is undervalued because of perception. But Google's stock price didn't jump today because of moo shots that are basically moneypits.

The market doesn't agree since it reacts more to speculation, which is great because it means higher returns for those owning the most stock - meaning those who don't rely on 401k plans since those are nothing.
 
I'm glad this happened. If Apple wants to be back at the top, they'll have to stop holding back the latest specs from their devices (I'm looking at you, 16GB and spinning hard drives!).

I'm looking at the multitudes who keep buying 16GB and spinning hard drives. Why would Apple change?
 
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Good and I hope to see APPL tank further. Ultimately this will be what gets rid of Cook. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's boring as bat **** and cares far too much about stock price and investors and shareholders and profits.

Jobs famously said he doesn't care about Wall St. I want to see a designer at the helm who's willing to stand up to shareholders and rebuild some goodwill.
 
One thing is for sure, Rogifan will not get a goodnight sleep tonight.
Why, good opportunity for me to buy more Apple stock. :) Anyway let's see where Google stock ends up tomorrow. It was up $50 right after earnings were announced but has come down $30 since.
 
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The thing I really don't get is how Apple is trying to pose the iPad Pro as a monster 4K video editing machine, yet there's no way to actually get 4K content on it. WiFi isn't fast enough to move Raw DV 4K content over.

The iPad Pro needs something akin to Thunderbolt to be used for video editing in the way Apple wants to imply it can be.

Disclaimer: My wife has an iPad Pro for artwork and we both love it. I just can't imagine anyone editing 4K video on it. It'd be a huge pain just to get the video on it, not to mention storage.
Hmmmm. A huge pain you say? So Dropbox or Photosync doesn't work - weird. They both work seamlessly for me :)
 
Those programs wouldn't run on ARM right now.



And how would they run on an iPad Pro running OS X? A9X isn't the same architecture as a Mac. It wouldn't run any of the apps.

I never said it would. I'm well aware of the technical limitations of the platform. It would require all the programs to be recompiled to run on the ARM platform. Or Alternatively, Running emulated (like how APple emulated PPC for OS9 legacy in the early OSx days)

For Apple to achieve the 'dream' some people have of making an iPad that could run desktop applications, with current day technology, Apple would have to either go the re-compile route, or switch the iPad Pro to use an x86 based CPU, likely Core M.

That would be foolish. as you'd essentially have two seperate "iPad" platforms to support.
 
Sorry buddy. Google did not intend to directly profit off of Android. The primary goal of Android is to make Google's ecosystem ubiquitous in the landscape, and Android has been a resounding success in that regard.

Yes, Android was originally started in large part so that Google could compete against Microsoft possibly using Windows Mobile to make Bing the biggest mobile search engine.

Let's see, Doesn't Google have a watch platform that they rushed to beat Apple to market and got crushed by Apple Watch on release?

Can't crush a market you're not in. The Apple Watch wasn't intended to, nor does it, compete directly with Android Wear. And vice versa.

Google's revenues are 90% from advertising. I'd say that's a one trick pony. It's just a pony Wall Street happens to like.

Sure. Ads are like death and taxes, a good bet to exist forever. Smartphones and tablets, not so much :)
 
Have Apple peaked? What, who, how and why - I don't care.

Financial markets are all about speculation and as much as something might or might not be on paper the stock brokers just about turn to the horoscopes to predict things, so I read this article with as much interest as I care about who posted what on Facebook about them picking their nose and sharing it with the world.
 
There will be more calls for a change at the top at Apple now. Alphabet is seen as the true innovator, and Android the clear winner in mobile.

Really?
Apple is killing it and here are the FACTS! Google can only dream that some day they will hit these numbers.

Last Quarter just reported by both companies.

Google AKA alphabet a whopping 21.3B revenue WOW and a hold on now. a huge 4.9B Profit.


Apple had just 79.3B Rev and 18.4 BILLION in profit!!! That was the LARGEST EVER for any company EVER!!

So to compare it took Apple only 24 days just over 3 weeks into the quarter to make MORE profit then Google.

Apple made approx 204M profit PER DAY!!

Selling 35,000 iPhone per hour every day 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 90 days. And you experts have all these reasons APPL is doomed.

Every company in the world can only hope to be this doomed!
 
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Too bad it doesn't run any of the "pro" applications that most pros have come to rely upon.

And those wouldn't run on ARM anyway.

I never said it would. I'm well aware of the technical limitations of the platform. It would require all the programs to be recompiled to run on the ARM platform. Or Alternatively, Running emulated (like how APple emulated PPC for OS9 legacy in the early OSx days)

For Apple to achieve the 'dream' some people have of making an iPad that could run desktop applications, with current day technology, Apple would have to either go the re-compile route, or switch the iPad Pro to use an x86 based CPU, likely Core M.

That would be foolish. as you'd essentially have two seperate "iPad" platforms to support.

Apple wants to make iOS their only OS, I think they've made that clear enough.
 
Apple wants to make iOS their only OS, I think they've made that clear enough.

Have they? They've pretty much said that they aren't going to make a hybrid machine and that iOS is for mobile computing and OS is for desktops/laptops.

I don't think they'll move to just iOS... for a very long time, if ever.
 
The only real flop Apple has had in the last few years is that battery case.

Everything else has been awesome.

Google, on the other hand, flops with a lot of stuff, and search is still their top business.
 
Macbook should have had two USB ports.
iPad Pro should have ran a tweaked version of OS X geared for touch.
iMac 4K should have came with an SSD.
Apple TV should have had 4K compatibility for use with home videos shot on iPhone 6S.
iPad Pro should have 128GB base storage, and have the 32GB model only sold as an enterprise model.

These are all things people seem to agree on, and there isn't much of an argument for Apple to have done this. Just start finishing your products before you release them Apple...

Why did you ignore the Mac Pro?
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Have they? They've pretty much said that they aren't going to make a hybrid machine and that iOS is for mobile computing and OS is for desktops/laptops.

I don't think they'll move to just iOS... for a very long time, if ever.

Don't worry, despite what you think and what Apple says will be very different from what Apple WILL DO.

It's not difficult to see Apple's had a major hard-on for iOS, for whatever reason, but if they ever enforce that garbage on desktops, I'm out of the Apple world for good, not even going to bother with Hackintoshes either and it's not to say that they've already SCREWED OS X. Green button = full screen on a DESKTOP with a big screen? What for?! Root in El Capitan? As if we had SO many problems before without it! A plethora of more limited choices in OS X on top of those too.

Apple's basically given all of you a giant slap to the face. What's incredible is that nearly ALL of you deliberately ignore it.
 
How is the number one selling smart watch considered a flop?


I think in general smart watches have been a flop. They haven't been revolutionary, nor have they been game changing. In a sea of mediocre watches, Apple's is quite the best though.

I'm really hoping the second version adds health sensors or something to give it that must have appeal. As it stands, it's just a nice accessory.
 
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