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Nexus One, round 2.

By August of 2011, if not sooner, this device will be irrelevant. Google should stick to what it does best: web applications.
 
Web apps, not

Sure I only want to run web apps. After all I will always have a fast internet connection no matter where I go. It will always be cheap or free too to access.

I also want all my personal data in the "cloud" since after all I can access it from anywhere. Nobody at Google would ever dream about looking at my data and I am sure there are no hackers (or governments) out there are interested in it at all.

Google would never dream about tracking all my actions closely so they could sell targeted advertising to me, right?

Google is a good company after all. For example they wouldn't want any internet provider to treat them special at all because they could pay for faster access. That would be unfair to everyone else, wouldn't it?

There is enough analytics out there already about everyone, why make it any easier?
 
Ugh, why do all of these devices have to come tied to some sort of data plan or network?

Why can't all of these companies get that not everyone wants a phone in everything or that we don't want to pay for yet another subscription for everything?

Thats why I got the wifi iPad. I did not want yet another monthly fee. Especially when so many places have wifi now.

What are you complaining about? For one thing it states

although speculation suggests that data plan contracts could allow for subsidies to greatly reduce the cost of the actual device.

not saying it requires a data plan. It actually implies there might be a choice of with or without data plan contracts just like the iPad. Why are you complaining about choice?
 
It's also a day when shoppers are out trying to find dirt cheap deals, not looking to browse new tech products. I don't agree with the wisdom of introducing something like this on that particular day. It's a rat race on that day, not a day when shoppers are wandering around aimlessly saying, "Hey, this is neat. Let's slow down and check out this new tablet."

I agree with you that its a terrible "rumored" idea. Assuming the rumor is true (which, most likely, its not) that would mean people choose between standing outside Verizon stores to get a GPad, or visiting other stores to get once a year deals on technology, clothes, etc.
 
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How the heck is it a 1:1 copy? They're both tablets that have touch input? Do you know the specifics of the ChromeOS tablet?

What specifics? It's exactly the same concept, deal with it. Is it different because it will have more RAM or a webcam? lolz. It might be a slightly different product, but it's like saying the Samsung Galaxy is soo different to an iPhone when it's actually almost the same thing. Hold some Symbian or WinMobile P.O.S. anno 2008 next to it and see what difference really is.

Before the iPad we had:
- ill-fated attempts with the entirely wrong approach, mainly with a desktop OS and maybe some really bad tacked-on touch extensions
- bad, inappropriate hardware: slow, fat, expensive, unresponsive touch-screens, short battery life, mostly x86
- no apps, but "applications" that needed to be "installed" in a painful way (people will have forgotten what that means in 10 years...)

Now we have something that acually works. And guess what, the Google tablet will not only look exactly the same, it also improves the exact same problems of "old" tablets. If that's not a 1:1 copy, I don't know what is. Android smartphones at least brought some variety with hardware keyboards, but that's about it.

Fact is, Google still needs to release something before Apple does for a change, and then we can talk about original concepts.
 
So funny that Google is following Apple around trying to copy their success. Kinda sad, really. "Google, please go back to building search crap, that's what you do! Leave the cool products to the company that can do it right!"

it was funny when microsoft did it too, until, someone lost an eye...

I'm not understanding the dual OSs here either, android/ChromeOS.

The specs sound pretty hot though. Guess we'll see how this goes. HTC does make some good hardware though.
 
Not as a necessity. You can block access to the app store and YouTube and whatnot (at least on the iPhone) and get exactly the same results. I know Android has a lot of catching up to do business-wise, but Chrome OS isn't even released, and it's not targeted towards the business world from what we've heard so far, so it probably won't come with the nice centralized management features out of the box.

I still don't see any benefits of Chrome OS over Android.

Sorry, I had to run out the door...
The question was what use was Chrome OS .. I said Enterprises has a use to reduce manageability costs is one use.. (and as i mentioned Google isn't targeted Chrome towards this yet).

It's about complexity. (not which has more features)

Having complex full featured client OS (like windows) require higher maintenance when you run large enterprises. Sure you can lock down Windows (or whatever client OS), put virus scanners on it, put application discovery tools and network tool tools so that users don't tinker with this or that or make sure that all apps are on the same patch level. Lock it down so that you can't store data locally, and can't install or accidental delete your own apps etc. ... It just requires alot more management. OS like Android does more than Chrome, and continues to be more complex and many companies don't want this.

Having your entire desktop on a browser is alot easier to manage. (with associated penalties/tradeoffs)

I'm not saying Chrome Os is good/bad, just pointing out uses for it.

It's the same argument that Sun made with their Net Station idea, and it's sorta similiar to value proposition that Citrix Xen desktop presents.


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Multi-touch is extremely overrated. How many times do you actually use two fingers? Most people just scroll and flick. The speed, slickness and overall great ease of use sold iPhone + iPad (and iPod as well). These things just work. The OS was especially designed for touch-based use and the small screen.

I use the multi-touch interface extensively. The lack of multi-touch on my Android tablet is driving me nuts. I'm still getting used to the tablet but first impressions are a bit lukewarm. On the plus side it fits the niche I wanted filled perfectly.
 
I would like to see Google do some real competing. Apple releases a phone. Google releases a phone. Apple releases a tablet. Google releases a tablet.

Please Google, come up with a new innovative idea that Apple can copy.

1: Google is competing pretty good with Android at the moment.

2: Google has launched plenty of innovative products. Gmail and Google Maps are two prime examples. Are you blaming Google for Apple not copying them? (Like Microsoft did)
 
Now we have something that acually works. And guess what, the Google tablet will not only look exactly the same, it also improves the exact same problems of "old" tablets. If that's not a 1:1 copy, I don't know what is.

Look, Apple has copied the smartphone and the tablet. And improved on it. You seem to agree on that. But now you're saying nobody is allowed to copy the improved version, and improve it further? The epitome of hypocrisy.
 
1: Google is competing pretty good with Android at the moment.
The application market is still nowhere near as good, nor is the media playback. The vast majority of people couldn't care less that this supposed device may have better technical specifications when it can't run any apps that they'd ever care about (let alone want to purchase), and there's no good interface to buy and view/listen to movies and music.

Enthusiasts care about devices like this, but enthusiasts haven't driven the consumer electronics or computer market in at least a half a decade.

2: Google has launched plenty of innovative products. Gmail and Google Maps are two prime examples.
How is an ad-supported free email service innovative? Google Maps was innovative, though.
 
Considering Google Docs doesn't work on the iPad NOT because of some Apple conspiracy but rather the coding for it uses a type of RTF html-based code called contentEditable, to wit, you can't edit Google Docs on an Android-based phone or any mobile browser, and they're showing a Google Doc icon, which yes, you CAN open a Google Doc on an Android, iPhone, RIM device, iPad obviously, you just can't EDIT it, which, that's part of the appeal of having something like this, a semi-laptop replacement.

If Google can't figure this out, and it's clear they're taking their time making it work on the iPad, it'll really have not a whole love of advantage over an iPad methinks.
 
How is an ad-supported free email service innovative? Google Maps was innovative, though.

Gmail totally changed the landscape, starting with the 1GB in-box size. When Gmail opened its doors, you got about 10 to 20 MB of space and had to pay for a premium account that allowed more. Microsoft had to scramble to modernize its popular Hotmail service.

The application market is still nowhere near as good, nor is the media playback. The vast majority of people couldn't care less that this supposed device may have better technical specifications when it can't run any apps that they'd ever care about (let alone want to purchase), and there's no good interface to buy and view/listen to movies and music.

I only read your personal opinion here. If the vast majority of non-tech people you describe are so dissatisfied with Androids media playback, its interface, or apps, then why is Android doing so well? Surely it aren't the techies driving up these sales?
 
Gmail totally changed the landscape, starting with the 1GB in-box size.
Google did what Google does best: advertising. They knew that most people wouldn't use any more than the usual amounts, and that "giving" them a gigantic amount of space they'd never need would impress them. It worked, but it was not innovation in any sense of the word, it was simple marketing.

Before, you had to pay a premium for reliable e-mail service with flexible access and extra storage. Now, you have to pay extra not get advertising. Not a thing has changed.

I only read your personal opinion here. If the vast majority of non-tech people you describe are so dissatisfied with Androids media playback, its interface, or apps, then why is Android doing so well? Surely it aren't the techies driving up these sales?
I'll speak from my knowledge in the US. Europe is outside of my experience. When the Droid came out, it was the only modern smartphone on Verizon's network. Before it was discontinued, they were giving them away for free. The iPhone is available on one carrier in the US, and there was pent-up demand for modern smartphones or at least close analogs. I'd argue that most people who have Android devices don't use them in the same way as iPhone users. By and large they have other devices for games and media. That'll be changing, with the large-screened OLED-based devices coming out for the platform now.

I know precisely one person who had an Android phone, and he only bought it because he was stuck on T-Mobile. He wasn't particularly happy with it, and I think he's moved to a different device since.
 
A Chrome OS Tablet will compete directly with the Apple iPad, and Apple has a lot riding on the iPad. A Google Tablet would compare feature-wise with the iPad, and possibly surpass it given the full OS nature of Chrome OS. It’s not just the iPhone OS grown up, it will be a full OS built on a real desktop browser. That’s got to cause Apple some discomfort.
 
It puzzles me why the Mac community is always up in arms about the competition copying some of their innovative ideas. Isn't that what every competitor does? Including Apple itself? Don't you think Apple took a good look at Excel and copied the best features into Numbers? Or features from Avid into Final Cut Pro? The tablet itself was copied. They improved on something that was already there. So why can't Google improve on something already there? Just because it's made by Apple?
 
c'mon, apple didn't invent the MP3 Player or the smartphone. they just have a better marketing department.

No. Not just marketing. They set the standards in both categories and made what was there way better. That takes innovation, engineering and marketing. Do you really remember what MP3 players and Smart phones were like before the iPod and the iPhone? Lets see, dull, cumbersome, ugly, boring comes to mind.

Marketing had the easy job actually.
 
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