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The short answer is yes. ;)

Google likes to put things out in Beta status and for early testing. Apple often keeps things under wraps until they feel they have gotten it close enough to perfection. With that being said, Airtunes has been out and in customer's hands for a LOOONG time now. And of course they were testing it well before it became available where Google hasn't even put anything similar out yet in "Beta". They're new to this.

Airtunes (and now Airplay) is tightly integrated with iTunes, Bonjour, Home Sharing, and all the technologies Apple has been working on for the last decade or so to make storing and sharing content on local networks easier and simpler for the average person. Apple has a long tradition, patents, and history of developing technologies for local networking.

This is a new game for Google. They don't make home computers like Macs, full operating systems that support networking protocols like Snow Leopard, home routers like Airport Extreme, Express, and Time Capsule, no iTunes like software that manages stores and shares content on a home network, and don't have much experience, software, or products dealing with home networking technology for consumers. They've only recently started getting their feet wet in some of these areas. They're a web search company, after all, which they are very good at. But not this yet at least.

So yes, it is perfectly fine in my opinion to say that Apple has been working on this type of stuff and trying to perfect it long before Google. If Google does what it usually does, it will try to make up for it by rushing out a half finished "Beta" product and fix it as they go along over the years to make it better than the competition. That strategy works well with free products like Gmail. Not so much when customers will be paying $300 for a Logitech box they expect to work as soon as they get it home.

100% agree with this. Google has always moved products and items to the marketplace much more quicker than a company like Apple does. As you noted, they are big on big public open betas for stuff. So while Apple may have been working on something for 4 or 5 years before they release something, a more likely cycle for something similar in Google is probably 12-18 months before it is available. Obviously when you involve hardware it changes it up some, but Google does not spend near the amount of time in development of things behind closed doors as Apple does.
 
Compare to a jailbreak Apple TV...

...before deciding. But really, I think I'll just build my own media center and have control.

Internet access on your TV is best left to specially designed apps... which both systems have/will have... you really won't want to read on your TV.
 
Judging by the asinine comments in this thread I conclude that the average age on these forums fell by at least 15 years. :rolleyes:
 
I guess the question for the future will be how much Sony (or any other company) will charge for a Google TV capable Blu Ray. I have a Samsung which can play Netflix as well as others services through their apps (no Amazon for some reason). But I really didn't see much of a price difference to add this feature. But $300 for a box from Logitech--I don't think so.

probably $300 which is the current price of internet enabled 3d blu ray players or the PS3. last year $300 got you a regular blu ray player with wifi. as flash memory drops they are putting more and more into their players. this year a basic ethernet enabled blu ray player with netflix is $99
 
*cough* ROKU *cough*
Agreed.

I was going to mention them, but forgot to in my haste. The point was that Google and Boxee are in the same market as the ~$100 devices and I'll include low end Blu-Ray players in that too.

Roku has one major drawback for me though. It seems to be unable to stream any of MY content. (i.e. no DLNA/DAAP etc...).

I also didn't include WD TV Live and its many ~$100 variants, as they are not mainstream devices, but excel at playing back local content.

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I was really impressed with the video, but...
I don't want computer on my tv. I want to rent a movie, and watch it. Or stream the content I own. I will check internet on my ipad while watching tv. What apple has going for it - and my ATV is coming tomorrow - is that it has all content. GTV - go to the internet, start looking, find sources to download, (some sources probably might be illegal - just a guess :) )... that is what I don't want to spend my time doing.
 
Lets be honest. WhY is the point of getting an apple tv if u already have a ps3? Like this google tv is what I was hoping for the apple tv n apple fail by making n releasing this crappy apple tv I don't see the point of this ATV. N then Steve said. "we don't need a web browser in our living too
" like dead ass. He that hell he thinks he is?

some people would rather get a $99 apple tv than a $300 ps3
 
That's really cool. I really have no interest to have any TV accessory for my TV, but if I did I would probably choose this one.

I guess really the only thing that AppleTV has better is the iTunes store, with a vast selection of movies and tv shows. Amazon and netflix don't have that big of an "instant" selection, do they? In the same quality offered by the iTunes store / AppleTV? It'd also be interesting if the GoogleTV has the same seamless integration with all iOS devices, and Mac's. Because I'm not exactly going to get a PC and an android phone / tablet just to choose this device....in that case I would choose the AppleTV

+1, Well Said
 
If that price point is true or even close to true, it will be a big failure.

The Boxee and Logitech Revue price points were announced around the time of the :apple:TV2 release. $229 list for the Boxee and $299 list for the Revue.

The $179 Dish Network features and pricing could make a difference in how many they move.

I'd love a not quite dumb STB to go with my TiVo HD XL. TiVo without the HDD or subscription.

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Methinks many are underestimating the importance of the minimal-brainpower TV model of "turn on, pick channel, watch" model, and of a dead-simple version of "watch X now". The more brainpower required to watch, the less money in return.

Yes, most/all on this board are quite capable of rigging up systems and have no qualms about "use this device to enter a search term there, click here to do X, wait for ... oops, gotta jiggle this thing ..." to the degree of forgetting that a big part of the population (from whence a whole lotta $$$ comes from) can barely handle plugging one box into another with shape & color-coded cables. Yes, it's not difficult - and yes, tens of millions can't handle it anyway.

Apple, following the iTunes model, handles this by severe limitations on options.
Google, in trying to make everything that simple, risks losing lots of users by not making it simple enough.
Short of having a keyboard (and for many, even having one), just picking & playing "Amazing Race" amid thousands of other options is complicated enough to give up and just scroll thru "what's on now". There's more than one reason why Apple's wireless input devices are so small & light.

By definition, half the population's IQ is under 100. Don't underestimate the consequences of that.
 
I have a bit of tin foil left if you want to make a hat with it. Who's to say Apple doesn't have folks working inside Google that basically ripped this idea off Google ?

Who's to say Aliens didn't have similar tech in their spaceship that landed near cupertino that both Google and Apple got a hold of ?

Who's to say Merlin himself didn't include Apps with an App Store on Excalibur ?

Fiction makes for nice TV, but it doesn't make for good debate.



Too bad it also ends with Airplay, which is just a copy of DLNA to begin with. We've had that stuff for years now. Heck, even Apple had it, when it was called DAAP. They just made it push based instead of pull based.

Stay tuned ? You work for Apple marketing or something ? :rolleyes:

Drop the act. It's not working.

Do you even know what airplay will do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPlay
http://www.apple.com/itunes/airplay/

Its way beyond DNLA...
 
What I don't understand is; why don't people who want to watch tv, but don't want to pay/need for digital, just buy a freeview box?
Possibly because we don't all live in the UK?

After looking at the GoogleTV site I'm a little torn about it. When I first heard about it I thought it sounded like crap. Now I see that there might some cool features. As someone who gave up cable and no longer has a DVR, I really like the idea of being able to get free streaming content from all the network websites without having to connect my laptop to the tv (my current way of doing it). On the other hand, I can completely do without the social networking junk as well as all the Internet surfing.
Does ANYbody else want to actually discuss this product's features instead of ranting about competing devices?

I'd like to know, for instance, how Google has solved the issue of controlling a cable box when the cable companies can't really handle it. And what happens when Comcast decides they don't want to be even loosely associated with Dish Network this week, so they shut off access via GoogleTV for a month or 2? I'd also like to know if they plan a software-only version to compete with Win7 Media whatever, Plex, etc.

If you must discuss the Apple vs Google crap, somebody explain how "DVR [only] by Dish Network" is "open". I've been going back and forth on how to get TV* for over a year. With every new device that is being introduced, my decision to use an actual computer is looking better and better.

* That means: get TV cheaper than I was.
 
too bad the potential market for the apple TV is tiny. NPD just came out with numbers today that 17% of all households have a blu ray player

Dude the market is for all people who own an IOS device...there are over 120 million of them. If apple can get Airplay to work flawlessly with your IOS device (Ipad\Iphone\Itouch) and you can just play any video or audio or even app on your AppleTV 2 with just a flick from your IOS device...its all over. You don't need what the $300 googleTV has...its way overkill.

And if apple can get their appleTV appstore online in the next few months...its gonna be crazy...Remember $99 and if you can put apps on it...people will buy this up like crazy!
 
Does ANYbody else want to actually discuss this product's features instead of ranting about competing devices?

Well, this IS MacRumors so comparisons to AppleTV/MacMini are inevitable.

What features do we know about? Not many. It sounds like a wonderful catch-all do-anything, but as you imply there are a whole lotta compatibility & licensing issues to sort out and keep current.

Interesting twist (underdiscussed for 6 pages here) that you can use your cell phone not just as a touchscreen input device, but as an audio input device as well - so how good is Google's speech recognition? When a random person says "Amazing Race", how fast & reliable will it locate & play the latest episode? esp. when doing so means processing the audio, filtering assorted noise, finding the right website (perhaps updated with an all-new layout just days before), and playing without extraneous website flotsam? there's a whole lot that can go wrong fast, and while some of us can get around that stuff with ease there's a lot of other users that will just go right back to the "what's on now on Comcast" directory.

Cable line interface is a good question. How locked down are those to a given provider? What DCMA-related issues arise from a box which transcends such controls? Apple got rights clearance from one end to the other; Google ... not so much I'd expect.

The age of single-source TV is over. A long period of chaos, control, and confusion begins now. Much hilarity will ensue. Popcorn?
 
Really, if you have tons tv shows and movies on your itunes then Apple tv is the way to go. for everyone else who hasn't then something like Google tv is right for you. I like how everyone says its confusing but that's becasue you havn't played with it so it'll be foreign for a little while to you.
 
Who wants to pay an extra $300 for a dumbed down computer that will be difficult to control from the couch to find and view content on the web when I already have a much more capable device sitting right in my lap or pocket that I can find content with much easier and send the same video to my TV with Airplay?

Steve really has this one figured out. Your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad is the ultimate internet/web browsing/media searching device. Once you find what you're looking for, you just push the video (or music, photos, etc.) to the screen and your home theater system. I can't think of any tv based UI that will be able to beat an iPad + Airplay.

It is impossible to create an interface you have to look at 10 feet away and use a separate remote to tell it what you want to do compared to just touching a beautiful screen mere inches from your eyes and with a pop up keyboard for easy searches already built in.
 
Elaborating on the list...

IE/Mozilla ~ Safari ~ Chrome
any number of photo apps ~ iPhoto ~ Picasa
webos, palmos ~ iOS ~ Android
blackberry ~ iPhone ~ Nexus One
netbooks ~ iPad ~ (Google tablet to be soon announced?)
MS Office ~ iWork ~ Google Docs
any number of music organizers, for example winamp ~ iTunes ~ Google Tunes
any DVR ~ Apple TV ~ Google TV
OTA ~AirPlay ~ Fling

Innovation isn't single-sourced.

Seriously, I was talking about one company trying to match another one. How do your additions to this list disprove my point? IE, webos, blackberry, netbooks, DVR, and OTA! are made by one company that is trying to dethrone Apple? Jeez!

Also, how is OTA similar to AirPlay? Do you even know what AirPlay does?
 
Who wants to pay an extra $300 for a dumbed down computer that will be difficult to control from the couch to find and view content on the web when I already have a much more capable device sitting right in my lap or pocket that I can find content with much easier and send the same video to my TV with Airplay?

Steve really has this one figured out. Your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad is the ultimate internet/web browsing/media searching device. Once you find what you're looking for, you just push the video (or music, photos, etc.) to the screen and your home theater system. I can't think of any tv based UI that will be able to beat an iPad + Airplay.

It is impossible to create an interface you have to look at 10 feet away and use a separate remote to tell it what you want to do compared to just touching a beautiful screen mere inches from your eyes.

Funny thing is that $300 dollar "dumbed down" box can do more for your tv viewing experience than your $500+ ipad and atv.

And you do realize this is GOOOGLE TV right? Meaning android compatiablity? Phones, tablets, music player etc..
 
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