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. There is a reason Apple spent years perfecting Airplay before announcing the current implementation. There is a lot that has to be done behind the scenes integrating and inventing various different types of technologies to make it work well.

Question/Statement. Just so I understand you correctly. You make the positive assumption that Apple has spent years perfecting their technology and give them that benefit of the doubt (of which I don't disagree) but you don't extend that to Google? You think they just whipped up their device and didn't go through just as rigorous years of testing and perfecting?

A little biased there. But this is MR.. so I guess it's ok.
 
I bought the ATV for tight iTunes integration and the cheap price.

If Google TV does a better job with more options, I will also buy one of them. I would be please to use both.

This isn't DISH vs. DirecTV vs. Time Warner. To have all three would be very expense with monthly fees.

ATV vs Google TV would be a one time only purchase of each. The overlapping services would be available with just one subscription.

This time you can have it all.

It'll sync with iTunes perfectly! ;)

http://jrtstudio.com/WiFi_iSyncr
 
I'm not trying to take up for Apple in a fanboy way but who the hell cares about all that clutter of Google tv. It is nothing but a distraction!!!!!
I grew up in the 80's with The Cosby Show, Family Ties.ALF! And I followed those shows week after week. So it makes my head spin when I think about what Google is trying to do with tv today. Web surfing when you are suppose to be watching a fu**** show!
But it is all for the sake of ads.
This is dystopian all the way! Can you imagine being in the households with children that are growing up multitasking their tv experience. Holys***!

Yo, to each his/her own but a lot of you praising this are like Jim Jones followers lining up for the flavor aid.
You can keep that crap.
 
I can't wait for the day when Google automatically files my tax return for me

You can just ask the IRS how much you owe.
The filing thing is just so you can squeeze out a few dollars of exemptions, and so they can scare people into admitting to more money than was known about.
 
BTW - it's a fallacy and simply marketing which states that Apple Products just work. When you look behind the curtain - you can easily see that they don't just work. There are thousands of people who take classes, post on forums, visit the genius bar to learn how to use even the basic functions of their phones, computers, etc.

Absolutely. I go to two Apple stores on a somewhat regular basis, and there is always a good number of people in there learning how to use their Macs.


I grew up in the 80's with The Cosby Show, Family Ties.ALF! And I followed those shows week after week. So it makes my head spin when I think about what Google is trying to do with tv today. Web surfing when you are suppose to be watching a fu**** show!

You know, this very statement can be made about the iPhone as it relates to all the phones that came before it.
 
Lets be honest. WhY is the point of getting an apple tv if u already have a ps3? Like this google tv is what I was hoping for the apple tv n apple fail by making n releasing this crappy apple tv I don't see the point of this ATV. N then Steve said. "we don't need a web browser in our living too
" like dead ass. He that hell he thinks he is?

Come on man you don't even have an apple product? GoogleTV is cool and all but it is going to be way more expensive. For $99 the new appleTV is perfect. Its simple and too the point like all other IOS devices. Apps will come and come soon and strong. Apple already has over 270,000 IOS apps...
 
Elaborating on the list...

IE/Mozilla ~ Safari ~ Chrome
any number of photo apps ~ iPhoto ~ Picasa
webos, palmos ~ iOS ~ Android
blackberry ~ iPhone ~ Nexus One
netbooks ~ iPad ~ (Google tablet to be soon announced?)
MS Office ~ iWork ~ Google Docs
any number of music organizers, for example winamp ~ iTunes ~ Google Tunes
any DVR ~ Apple TV ~ Google TV
OTA ~AirPlay ~ Fling

Innovation isn't single-sourced.
 
This. Steve could have promised a bunch of vaporware or, worse, turned on an AppleTV app store that wasn't yet ready for prime time.

Let's see a shipping product from Google (or Sony or Logitech or whoever cobbles their hardware together now). Then we'll contrast and compare.


I agree 100 percent! Show me a googleTV that is $99 and does all that they say it will? People will see an AppleTv for $99 and a GoogleTv for $299 and they will choose the AppleTV. $99 is an easy Xmas purchase. And if Steve can get the AppleTv app store online before Google...google is done.
 
Perhaps... but the whole key is it's not their now,

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Apple IS there 'now', and Google isn't.
Apple has a product you can walk out and buy right now... Google's is, what's the word'?, oh yeah... 'announced'.
 
and just maybe the next cable box will have google TV built in?

Oh yeah, that will happen.
Comcast partnered years ago with TIVO, and actually demo'd an interface WAY superior to what they force on everyone. They've now delegated it to the deepest depths of their cellars.
Cable has no interest in sharing the keys to their ill-gotten kingdom with anyone, particularly Google or Apple.
 
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Apple IS there 'now', and Google isn't.
Apple has a product you can walk out and buy right now... Google's is, what's the word'?, oh yeah... 'announced'.

LOL - hasn't stopped plenty of people on here still pinning their hopes on a WHITE iPhone 4.0 ;)
 
i personally think that as time goes on cable companies don't want to have a box to support. i've been to the time warner store in NYC and it looks like a money pit for time warner. and with encryption being cheap on consumer devices i wouldn't be surprised if the next version of game consoles double as cable boxes. there are already rumors that AT&T U-Verse can be run on future x-boxes so you don't need an extra cable box.
 
Sucks that the DVR ability will only work with shows off the DISH network. Would have been a sure buy for me if it could record from any video source.
 
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Apple IS there 'now', and Google isn't.
Apple has a product you can walk out and buy right now... Google's is, what's the word'?, oh yeah... 'announced'.

too bad the potential market for the apple TV is tiny. NPD just came out with numbers today that 17% of all households have a blu ray player
 
Anyone know what the storage capacity is for the google TV? I'm wondering how Apple will do the Apple TV appstore... will they use the included 8GB or stream everything?
 
Comcast partnered years ago with TIVO, and actually demo'd an interface WAY superior to what they force on everyone. They've now delegated it to the deepest depths of their cellars.

Indeed. I've been waiting for this magical vaporware from Comcast forever. Instead we're stuck with their craptastic software interface. :mad:
 
I agree 100 percent! Show me a googleTV that is $99 and does all that they say it will? People will see an AppleTv for $99 and a GoogleTv for $299 and they will choose the AppleTV. $99 is an easy Xmas purchase. And if Steve can get the AppleTv app store online before Google...google is done.
Google is what I use to look up stuff on the internet. That's about it.

Apple is who I buy my computers from. They're who I buy my phone from. My media player. My tablet. Music. The occasional movie. And all their stuff talks to each other. And with little exception, it just works. And when it doesn't work, I can call an 800 number or show up in person and get it sorted out.

Apple hasn't always been in those (non-computer) markets. Maybe in 20 years, once Google perfects and then credibly moves beyond search, then I'll give them a chance in personal electronics. For the moment, they bring me nothing that I can't get better from Apple.
 
The other main difference I haven't seen addressed in this thread is initial cost.

The Logitech Revue (first Google TV box) is set to release in a few weeks at a $299 price point. The Boxee Box is $199 (Amazon). The $99 price point of :apple:TV2 makes it a lot more appealing to just try.


If that price point is true or even close to true, it will be a big failure. Not to mention if it is a $150-$200 premium on a blueray player.

Roku makes a great box, I have used one for a long time now. I paid $99 for it, and it was great. The same box now goes for $69. For me I want to get a new Apple TV, but the competition is the Roku at $69/$99.

Would it be nice to pull up youtube videos on ocassion? Sure... but it is not worth $200 more for the device. If the Google TV devices can't come in at $99, there is going to be a big problem with them. Perhaps this is a lot like the iPad where all the competition thought Apple would make a $999 tablet device, so they all planned their $699 or $799 devices to undercut Apple and then Apple comes out with a $499 base model and they were screwed.

Logitech is not going to move many units at $299 unless it does something extraordinary. At this point I don't even know if they could get away with a $149 price tag.
 
Question/Statement. Just so I understand you correctly. You make the positive assumption that Apple has spent years perfecting their technology and give them that benefit of the doubt (of which I don't disagree) but you don't extend that to Google? You think they just whipped up their device and didn't go through just as rigorous years of testing and perfecting?


The short answer is yes. ;)

If Google is creating something like Airplay to be better than crappy DLNA, they are way behind Apple. I am pretty confident they are not just going to rely on DLNA for sharing among devices unless they want Google TV to fail. They had to have created something new. But they are way behind Apple on this.

You see, Google likes to put things out in Beta status and for early testing. Apple often keeps things under wraps until they feel they have gotten it close enough to perfection. With that being said, Airtunes has been out and in customer's hands for a LOOONG time now. And of course they were testing it well before it became available where Google hasn't even put anything similar out yet in "Beta". They're new to this.

Airtunes (and now Airplay) is tightly integrated with iTunes, Bonjour, Home Sharing, and all the technologies Apple has been working on for the last decade or so to make storing and sharing content on local networks easier and simpler for the average person. Apple has a long tradition, patents, and history of developing technologies for local networking.

This is a new game for Google. They don't make home computers like Macs, full operating systems that support networking protocols like Snow Leopard, home routers like Airport Extreme, Express, and Time Capsule, no iTunes like software that manages stores and shares content on a home network, and don't have much experience, software, or products dealing with home networking technology for consumers. They've only recently started getting their feet wet in some of these areas. They're a web search company, after all, which they are very good at. But not this yet at least.

So yes, it is perfectly fine in my opinion to say that Apple has been working on this type of stuff and trying to perfect it long before Google. If Google does what it usually does, it will try to make up for it by rushing out a half finished "Beta" product and fix it as they go along over the years to make it better than the competition. That strategy works well with free products like Gmail. Not so much when customers will be paying $300 for a Logitech box they expect to work as soon as they get it home.
 
If that price point is true or even close to true, it will be a big failure. Not to mention if it is a $150-$200 premium on a blueray player.

Roku makes a great box, I have used one for a long time now. I paid $99 for it, and it was great. The same box now goes for $69. For me I want to get a new Apple TV, but the competition is the Roku at $69/$99.

Would it be nice to pull up youtube videos on ocassion? Sure... but it is not worth $200 more for the device. If the Google TV devices can't come in at $99, there is going to be a big problem with them. Perhaps this is a lot like the iPad where all the competition thought Apple would make a $999 tablet device, so they all planned their $699 or $799 devices to undercut Apple and then Apple comes out with a $499 base model and they were screwed.

Logitech is not going to move many units at $299 unless it does something extraordinary. At this point I don't even know if they could get away with a $149 price tag.

I kinda made that point eariler in this thread. But, I jsut cant deny that google tv will offer alot more than atv does! Will it be worth the price difference? I dont know... depends on how they market it.
 
After looking at the GoogleTV site I'm a little torn about it. When I first heard about it I thought it sounded like crap. Now I see that there might some cool features. As someone who gave up cable and no longer has a DVR, I really like the idea of being able to get free streaming content from all the network websites without having to connect my laptop to the tv (my current way of doing it). On the other hand, I can completely do without the social networking junk as well as all the Internet surfing.

If we can get Hulu and sites like CBS, Comedy Central, etc. on the Apple TV, then I personally have no reason to even consider a Google TV. But at the very least I hope it pushes Apple to open their device up. In the long run, I just don't see Apple being successful in the movie and television rental/purchase arena, mainly because the studios have been pushing back so hard against it. For whatever reason, they'd rather put it up on their own sites with commercials for free than allow people to rent for less than they currently buy episodes.

This is kind of rambling, but my point is that if Steve Jobs cannot convince studios to make their content available for cheap rental, then Apple is going to have to either open up the new ATV to other streaming services or let the device languish like it did the first iteration. The future, of course, remains to be seen, but it seems like Google might have done the best thing by just ignoring that problem altogether and simply combining all the services that are currently offered to consumers/Internet users into one device.
 
I guess the question for the future will be how much Sony (or any other company) will charge for a Google TV capable Blu Ray. I have a Samsung which can play Netflix as well as others services through their apps (no Amazon for some reason). But I really didn't see much of a price difference to add this feature. But $300 for a box from Logitech--I don't think so.
 
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