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Google's Free, Unlimited Google Photos Service Now Available on iOS and Web

kdarling said:
Apple uses our info for selling iAds, plus gets paid by banks to continue to allow our full purchase info to get through to them (unlike Google Wallet, which acted as a proxy), and what services do they give us free in return?
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Apple + bank/credit card provider gives us a faster, more secure payment method than using a credit card. The End.

I want my bank to have my purchase info. The banks use it for fraud detection.
But I don't want the banks to have all my personal photos, my email, my location information, etc. Likewise, I don't want my email provider to have all my banking info.

If you are willing to give one company all of your personal information, you are asking for trouble.
 
dannys1 said:
Other than Tim Cook categorically saying in a video "Google is in the business of selling your personal information" and then not being sued for deformation or slander because its true you mean?
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And I suppose that you can link to that video and we can check if Tim Cook really said those words, isn't?
 
Oletros said:
And I suppose that you can link to that video and we can check if Tim Cook really said those words, isn't?
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Even if he did, a lack of a lawsuit can't prove much. It might prove that Google doesn't sue people. Not everyone is lawyer-happy.
 
kdarling said:
I've read that they can even target sexual preferences, which they've figured out from their info on our habits.
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Source, please.

kdarling said:
Don't even get me started on what the credit card companies sell, because they know our daily purchases. It's why payment insiders think banks were willing to give a percentage to Apple, so Apple wouldn't hide it from them like Google Wallet mostly did. (The idea that it was about security is a canard for the naive. EMVCo was already setting up tokenization.)
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Oh, please do get started. What information is my credit card company selling, for example, and to what types of companies?
 
kdarling said:
Apple does the same thing with their iAds.

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Heck, they're probably even more targeted because they have us totally covered by iTunes address, iTunes credit card, our iTunes media purchases, Apple Store purchases, device locations, etc. I've read that they can even target sexual preferences, which they've figured out from their info on our habits.

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Don't even get me started on what the credit card companies sell, because they know our daily purchases. It's why payment insiders think banks were willing to give a percentage to Apple, so Apple wouldn't hide it from them like Google Wallet mostly did. (The idea that it was about security is a canard for the naive. EMVCo was already setting up tokenization.)
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Well of course all ad services run like this, Facebook's, Yahoo's, Google, Apple. The different is this is a tiny amount of Apple's massive multi billion revenue, where as 90% of Google's is from marketing, advertising, data mining etc.

Its also pretty easy to opt out of iAd data mining and still use all of Apple's products, you don't have that option with Googles stuff as its how they make their money.
 
willed said:
Can't be any worse than Photos.

How would one migrate from iPhoto to this though?
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Photos app doesn't upload all my photos to iCloud . And not All my iPhone photos are visible in the photos app... And if you read the Apple forum i'm Not the only one.
 
dannys1 said:
Well of course all ad services run like this, Facebook's, Yahoo's, Google, Apple. The different is this is a tiny amount of Apple's massive multi billion revenue, where as 90% of Google's is from marketing, advertising, data mining etc.
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Ah, the problem is not in mining, the problem is how much money you make from it.
 
dannys1 said:
Other than Tim Cook categorically saying in a video "Google is in the business of selling your personal information" and then not being sued for deformation or slander because its true you mean?
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Versus Google's mantra of "Do no evil"?
 
I couldn't choose my Photos library in the setup, so made a symbolic link to the Masters folder within the package contents. All seems to be working fine.
 
69Mustang said:
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You're simply wasting time MG. You can point these people to the exact lines in the privacy policy that state Apple is doing the exact same thing as Google regarding advertising and data collection. They would act as if you didn't say a thing. They would repeat the same incorrect information in the next post with a similar topic. They'd repeat it, knowing it's wrong. Why? Dogma is my best guess.

I wonder how they are going to rationalize the Google-like capabilities of Proactive? Companies collect information. Apple is one of those companies. They very clearly tell you that. Sometimes people don't want to see what they don't want to see. So basically, it doesn't exist.;)
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Thanks for pointing out again that people don't get what the word "product" really means.
Of course is Apple also using their information about users. The difference is that all (almost) of Google's products are about personal information gathering and analyzing.
Apple on the other hand is actually getting some money from selling iPhones.
 
dannys1 said:
Well of course all ad services run like this, Facebook's, Yahoo's, Google, Apple. The different is this is a tiny amount of Apple's massive multi billion revenue, where as 90% of Google's is from marketing, advertising, data mining etc.

Its also pretty easy to opt out of iAd data mining and still use all of Apple's products, you don't have that option with Googles stuff as its how they make their money.
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With all of Apple's supposed demographics mining data being thrown at us for the last two pages, as well as Apple's more valuable customer base, you'd think that Apple's advertising business would be killing it and advertisers would be throwing themselves at the company to use its services.

Where's all that iAd value in Apple's quarterlies?
 
Oletros said:
Ah, the problem is not in mining, the problem is how much money you make from it.
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No the problem is you have a choice to opt out of iAds and still use the services. you don't have the choice to opt out of any data collection Google does and still use its services, because otherwise they'd be giving you free services for no gain.

For what its worth i'm not particularly bothered about data collection for advertisings sake to be honest. But at least get it straight what line of business Google and Facebook are in and how aggressive they are compared to other tech companies like Apple and Microsoft are because that is THE ONLY WAY they make money. You can't blame them, thats their business model, but at least accept it.
 
RAW files, Compression Artifacts? Consumer Only?

This sounds GREAT. UNLIMITED storage.

but.....

They are obviously "recompressing" every image to get under some magical size. They are selling it to us as "High Quality". Reminds me of the MP3 debate.

Most consumers, fine....

But as a true PHOTO library of your original photos?
No RAW files, no high-quality JPEGs, etc....

The fine print scares me here (not privacy, just ruining the integrity of the photos).
 
good lord, how can Apple still justify charging for storage of photos and videos when Flickr and Google will do unlimited for free?
 
Oletros said:
Are you aware that Cook has not said what you quoted?
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Are you aware I did clarify that in my reply to you before you tried to be a smartarse? Its pretty obvious who he is talking about, but sure, ignore the companies who's only existence is based on data collection compared to those who's mainly reason to exist is hardware or software sales.
 
Local cache?

Is this app essentially browsing a cloud database where the original pics are? Does it generate previews on the fly? Or does it cache "some number" of photos to the device?

The reason for the question is that Photostream takes up large amounts of on-device space. If this app would permit a centralized cloud storage with no/minimal on-device cache, that would be useful.

Thanks if you know the answer. I did look in the app info on the store but did not see enough detail to answer this.
 
dannys1 said:
Are you aware I did clarify that in my reply to you before you tried to be a smartarse? Its pretty obvious who he is talking about, but sure, ignore the companies who's only existence is based on data collection compared to those who's mainly reason to exist is hardware or software sales.
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And him not getting sued, as you said, is somehow proof of something? That's not how proving something works.
 
dannys1 said:
Are you aware I did clarify that in my reply to you before you tried to be a smartarse? Its pretty obvious who he is talking about, but sure, ignore the companies who's only existence is based on data collection compared to those who's mainly reason to exist is hardware or software sales.
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Before calling others smartarse is a good thing to watch the videos one post and re read the things one write.

You tried to "prove" that Google sells information with a supposed quote of Tim Cook saying "business of selling your personal information" and Tim Cook doesn't said anything about SELLING information.
 
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