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Apple had built a formidable ecosystem around the iPhone and Google is stuck fighting the early wars of 2010 by comparing individual features which consumers simply no longer care about.

It’s not enough to be able to take a photo that is clearer than the iPhone’s, or have a display that’s better. You gotta beat the entire Apple ecosystem, and in that regard, android is way behind.

And Apple has already announced the vision pro, and Google is still talking about phones.

There is nothing google can do at this point that can remotely threaten Apple.
Hit the nail on the head. Sure, cherry-pick the “feature” in which Android/Google, Samsung, etc, does better than the iPhone. However, the whole system is where Apple excels. Android/Google can’t hold a candle in that regard.
 
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Funny, you just complained that Apple has stopped innovating while complaining they changed too much.

Even funnier, I sort of agree. It actually makes sense that there wouldn’t be dramatic changes to a 15 year old product if it is still selling well, but I wish they wouldn’t keep removing old iOS features. I have the opposite complaint of most, it seems, as I wish they would stop trying to make iOS more like MacOS, as I already have a Mac, and I preferred the less cluttered iOS to the newer versions, especially on the iPad mini. I hate that you can no longer turn off multi-window and I can’t count the number of times I’ve unintentionally opened a second window or clicked the 3 dots while selecting the URL line in iOS Safari. I figured the iPad would be a good basic internet device for my mother, but since that change she gets too frustrated to use it. After that, I started to notice it more and realized how much it was happening to me, too. I hate it when everyone goes “Steve Jobs would have never”, but he was very vocal that iOS and MacOS were intentionally separate due to the touch interface, and I worry about how much they are merging them. /rant
This! Thise 3 dots on ipad, so many accidental clicks on these… i too missed ability to make ipad simple browsing/consumption device. If i want to do sthing complicated, i got macbook.
 
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Man, that tired old argument about Google being loaded with features the iPhone can only dream of.

I've seen many of these "features" over the years on Android and they're almost always under-baked and not the dream feature Google portrays them to be. Apple rarely gets a feature first, but when they do finally unveil something, they've taken the time to iron out the bugs and integrate it into the phone in a way that makes it worth the wait. I've never understood the excitement around getting poorly implemented features faster.
 
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These are awesome. I can't remember the last time I laughed at a phone ad... 😄

iPhone actually plateaued with the 11 Pro.

Genius marketing campaign. The pixel division is a star amongst the drab, sad, corporate censorship engine that is Google... soon to be replaced by real AI.
 
iPhone = Privacy Google Pixel Phone = No Privacy

It's just that simple!
Apple is at least kind of trying with privacy.

But they are failing just as badly as anyone else - a phone is a tracking device by definition, pretty difficult to make this private. They try, but they fail.

In addition, they keep adding "agency" backdoors, they lost their fight with the FBI etc.

What do you think is the reason the FBI and government have stopped complaining that Apple locked down the iPhone?

Is it
A - Apple added backdoors as requested, or
B - They knew they lost so they... ummm...

Yeah. It's (A).

This is how it went:
FBI went to Apple, said, guys, we need backdoors. Apple said no, we are a privacy company, no backdoors. FBI went to 3rd party "hacker" tool manufacturers, bought their services. Apple tolerates it and doesn't fix those holes - plausible deniability on all sides, the FBI gets what it wants, they can get into any device. Apple gets to keep pretending iPhones are private and safe. Everyone's happy. The end.

A classic hypocritical compromise as they love to do in California.
 
Funny, you just complained that Apple has stopped innovating while complaining they changed too much.

Even funnier, I sort of agree. It actually makes sense that there wouldn’t be dramatic changes to a 15 year old product if it is still selling well, but I wish they wouldn’t keep removing old iOS features. I have the opposite complaint of most, it seems, as I wish they would stop trying to make iOS more like MacOS, as I already have a Mac, and I preferred the less cluttered iOS to the newer versions, especially on the iPad mini. I hate that you can no longer turn off multi-window and I can’t count the number of times I’ve unintentionally opened a second window or clicked the 3 dots while selecting the URL line in iOS Safari. I figured the iPad would be a good basic internet device for my mother, but since that change she gets too frustrated to use it. After that, I started to notice it more and realized how much it was happening to me, too. I hate it when everyone goes “Steve Jobs would have never”, but he was very vocal that iOS and MacOS were intentionally separate due to the touch interface, and I worry about how much they are merging them. /rant
100% agree with this.

iPhone has become like Android.

Android has become like iOS

At this point it really doesn't matter if you buy a big fugly brick from Samsung, or a big fugly brick from Apple - same difference.

Apple still has a slight edge in material but not in features, not in usability, not in day to day use, not in photography, not in size either.

Pixel is a worthy competitor, I am considering one.

Pretty bored of the lack of innovation on the iPhone. I got an 11 pro when the 12 was out as the 12 was much worse than the 11. 13 got better again, and there is a tiny, most marginal improvement on the 14.

It's basically like new car models now. The most minor, tiny differences are outlined in the marketing material, thinly hiding the fact that pretty much nothing has changed.

Apple used to add only features that made a difference; Samsung added features to have more features, even though they're totally useless. Apple has meanwhile joined Samsung on this - adding more and more useless stuff...
 
So so much tech is not used by the average consumer - my parents and brother barely venture into any tech on their tv, car or phone and don’t really care. They never alter any camera settings on their iPhones and couldn’t care less about hdr or super slow mode or Dolby atmos on the tv or eco mode on their car. Plateau’d but stable and easy to use is their main criteria….
 
So so much tech is not used by the average consumer - my parents and brother barely venture into any tech on their tv, car or phone and don’t really care. They never alter any camera settings on their iPhones and couldn’t care less about hdr or super slow mode or Dolby atmos on the tv or eco mode on their car. Plateau’d but stable and easy to use is their main criteria….
This post should be printed out and put in every tech office in Silicon Valley

Even though I know this, it's hard to not get carried away when creating software. Very hard.
 
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Wow. It's like the "I'm a Mac" ads, except Apple is on the receiving end this time.

Honestly, the biggest surprise is that it took Google (or anyone else) this long to make a funny series of attack ads against the iPhone.

Maybe Samsung never tried because they already have more marketshare than Apple so attack ads don't work well, and most of the rest of the manufacturers lack the budget for such an ad campaign?
Microsoft did it 10 years ago. My other comment, probably right above this one only around 20 mins ago, has a link to the videos. I was a Windows Phone user around the time those came out. I remember them well.

iOS appeared to mimic Windows with the flat design and colorful devices (5C) at that time. FWIW both Windows Phone and iPhone 5C were flops, but I’m sure we all know that.

Anyway, the Cortana/Siri ads had the voice assistants conversing and usually had Cortana showing off some feature that Apple hadn’t yet implemented.
 

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All real world tests show the S23 Ultra to be almost on par with the 14 Pro Max in battery life, give or take 30 mins here and there. It sounds like your experience is from Android phones from a decade ago.

I daily drive an S23 Ultra and a 14 Pro Max and yes the iPhone pulls ahead by 10% by the end of the day but the Samsung is a more productive phone so its a trade off. Both these phones have great battery life in my experience.
I daily drove an Android flagship as recently as last year so I'd not consider my experience outdated by any means.
And I've done more stuff under Android's hood than most people by a long shot, so I got a pretty solid picture of how things are.

The reality is that Android flagships have really damn good hardware, which is then promptly wasted on being a data harvesting machine stuffed with bloatware. Funny you should mention Samsung, as that's one of the main offenders at that.

If you're enjoying their latest offering, I won't take that away from you.
But I sure as hell don't enjoy burning say 15% of my battery life each day on building Google's data/telemetry empire, nor do I enjoy having my phone riddled with a pile of non-removable bloatware, nor do I enjoy my phone being a wannabe tablet/laptop with half baked features. Like what does a "more productive phone" even mean? That's just a phone that's trying hard to be something it's not, with dumb accessories like a non-optional stylus for instance. You want to be actually productive, you pick up a device that's best suited for that. Because if you planned to be productive in one way or another, you probably already have those other devices to do that on most efficiently anyway..
 
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Just got another iPhone. I really wanted to like it, but I don't. So back to the Pixel for me. Don't get me wrong, I use a Mac, MacBook , iPad and Apple TV. Its just the phones that are so stuck with a stale OS.
I use iPhone and iPad as my mobile devices right now. I am hoping that messaging will open up soon and let me message my son who is on the autism on his ipad with whatever device I own. It's time apple. People are not moving platforms. I will always have an iPhone, but I want to use other devices too. I pay for apple + ultimate (whatever the top package is) for my family and will continue.

It's at the point where people have chosen years ago which platform they want. I want to use all platforms together since I am a geek.
 
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It's not a word game. You think because people have an opinion, they can't be labeled a blind loyalist.
That is correct. The phrase blind loyalist like overpriced is an opinion. However , technically anyone label anybody anything that’s within the rules. However it’s an opinion.
Look up what a blind loyalist is. We're not debating that people aren't allowed to have an opinion.
We're debating that people who constantly have the opinion that, for example, Apple can do no wrong and everything they sell is sunshine and rainbows, are blind loyalists.
People who throw out labels like that, imo, are the ones that blind to the truth. their version of the truth is the correct version (and usually not). They conflate ideas from a posters or group and come up with some label. The people that label are the ones that are worse than the original opinion. /off-topic

Any it’s fun to see these companies take pot-shots at apple. Sometimes it comes back to bite them, like the pink champagne commercial.
 
Someone on the Pixel team is apparently still salty that Apple hasn't made an Apple TV+ app for Android phones LMAO (Ted Lasso was SUCH a joy to watch btw)
 
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Phone of the year is a bit like car of the year. Remember when ford thunderbird was voted car of the year. So what?
It means it’s highly rated which is a sign of how good a device it is. point is using one person’s experience to prove a point isn’t a good idea
 
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