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Google's New 'iPager' Ad Shames Apple for Using Outdated Messaging Standard

Why are people against and mocking google for this?
Because RCS is awesome. Why is anyone defending apple monopoly here?

Just imagine sending an encrypted message to anyone in your list and not caring if they have:
- WhatsApp, Instagram, Tiktok, Meta Messager, Telegram.
- Verizon or Tmobile
- Android or iPhone.

Communicating without platform dependencies, even Google or Apple, App, phone brand or operator.

You just send it to their number.

And it's encrypted. And you can have encrypted group chats (you don' care in which platform everyone is in), and send high quality pictures or files.
 
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C109321 said:
Because RCS is awesome. Why is anyone defending apple monopoly here?
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A very long thread about how RCS seems to be just another way for Google to get your data:


OneBar said:
That's incorrect. The UP consortium, or whatever they called it, were going to implement the vanilla UP that existed in 2019. They were just waiting for it to be stable. Then Google came along and said, hey we have our own version that's stable *whispers* but it's on our servers alone and you can only run it on Android and we have total access to everything */whispers* BUT HEY, HERE'S A FAD WAD OF CASH, USE OUR STUFF HEY??? Meanwhile they get all your information to build your server profile ever larger and push more ads at you.
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quarkysg said:
No carriers have implemented RCS UP 1.0 as stated in the GSMA specification correctly, because it involves capital investment and on-going maintenance cost.

Carriers have not been able to monetise RCS like they do SMS/MMS, so there is no motivation at all for any carrier to implement RCS UP 1.0. Also consider that RCS is running on the IP network. Any data that gets sent between exchange carriers are now chargeable between the networks, and this adds to the cost. With up to 100MB per file that RCS proudly supports, it quickly adds up.

Google stepped up because they can then monetise the information (my guess is location information) it collects from users to improve their ad business.

Google does not have as much iOS users' info if they are only using Google Search for example. They can at most track you via cookies. If iOS users starts using Google RCS, Google now have a phone number that is attached to a user that Google know is iOS. And if it combines this with the cookies they collect and cross reference it with the IP addresses, they now have a more complete picture of the iOS user.
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Considering that visual voicemail is not even implemented by most carriers, I’m not surprised that a more complex and expensive messaging standard is having trouble finding traction.

The whole idea seems to be to lift the functionality of iMessage, WhatsApp, Signal and so on into the operating system, and make cross-platform messaging apps obsolete at a stroke.
 
Ntombi said:
Are you in the US? iMessage is insanely popular. And it crosses age and tech
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Apple’s customers aren’t demanding Apple fix iMessage by using RCS because they don’t actually care enough about improving messaging between platforms.
 
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magicman32 said:
But 90 percent of my friends own iPhones (me Pixel) and when the send me a video its pointless as the experience is garbage. Im all for all the heat on Apple anyone can get. The MMS experience is terrible and they can keep all the bubble colored exclusivity they want. I just want send and receive quality photos and videos to (and from) opposite platform
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It would appear that “better MMS” is not something carriers are interest in improving or, in some cases, maintaining. Though it’s not a lot of carriers yet, it appears that in 2021, some started giving sundown dates for MMS while telling customers

to switch from MMS to apps such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Telegram and WeChat.

"With the rise of social media platforms and messaging applications, users can now send across images and videos seamlessly," said M1.

"Due to their ease of use and popularity, many users are now using these apps rather than messaging services like MMS."
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www.straitstimes.com

Farewell, MMS: Messaging service set to end after mid-November

With no more MMS, SMS texts cannot be used to send photos, animations and music files in the near future. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.
www.straitstimes.com www.straitstimes.com
 
Rygaard said:
I im kinda sad that there are so many fanatic fanboys and girls here that we dont even examin if this could posible hold some truth ?
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C109321 said:
Because RCS is awesome. Why is anyone defending apple monopoly here?
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This is not the first time RCS has been brought up here. :) It’s been examined, re-examined, and re-re-examined for years by now. RCS had some promise, US carriers couldn’t figure out how to work together on it and gave it up. If you go to GSMA.com, the folks that created RCS haven’t updated the RCS section of their website since 2020, it’s dead.

What Google is doing is only tangentially related to RCS anymore. That’s why even Google doesn’t refer to it as RCS, they always label it “Google RCS”.
 
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I find that ad quite amusing, much better than the Apple bashing ones Samsung do. While it would be good to have RCS on iPhones, I rarely SMS anyone - it's either iMessage or Whatsapp!
 
I'd like RCS. Then I might not be forced to use bloody WhatsApp all the time, which is the current reality. I don't really want Meta's 3rd party software/service to communicate with a lot of people and I also don't want to have to alternate between 2 messaging apps all the time, which is the current reality.
 
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DigitalStanley said:
Google: We just think about your poor users.

Apple:

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It's cute you think Apple doesn't think about Google at all....
 
swingerofbirch said:
The "buy your mom an iPhone" thing bothered me for a few reasons:

1) It shows Tim Cook's true motivation in not adopting RCS is in sales/stock price, just like when Apple decided not to release iMessage for Android because they knew families would buy Android phones for their kids if Android had iMessage available: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/09/epic-apple-no-imessage-on-android/
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Apple is a for profit corporation with stock holders. Their ONLY goal is sales/money/stock price. And nothing wrong with that.
 
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zorinlynx said:
I think Apple won't support RCS until the carriers insist. Hopefully they do so soon.

It's frustrating that Apple so often pretends Android doesn't exist. A phone is a communication device; it should be able to communicate as securely and reliably as possible with all other phones.
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Like Tim Cook told the reporter, "Buy your mom an iPhone."
 
Another option if of course for Apple to open iMessage and anyone can implement a standard. Heck, it could even become an GSMA standard for all platforms ;)
 
benefit for google: most communication would happen between iOS and Android devices, people would stop using WhatsApp and other messaging apps so Google can get all the data.

Armed with RCS, Google Messages is the current face of the company's longstanding quest for a worthy messaging app. While the multipurpose SMS app now has the features to rival the likes of WhatsApp, it still fails in one key area—and that area is spam. That’s especially true when the sources are verified business accounts that have been hassling scores of users lately with spammy in-chat advertisements within Google Messages.

A settings option in Google Messages called Chat features is what enables the app’s RCS capabilities. Simply turning it off will be a fool-proof way to keep these pesky companies out of your SMS inbox for good. Inside the app’s Settings menu, tap on General > Chat features and toggle the Enable chat features off. This should do the trick and your standard SMS services will continue to work as normal.
 
Mac_The_Ripper said:
I never said they were. You do realize that your messages can be read by big brother and any big tech company at will, right? To think otherwise is straight up tin foil hat time. Your data/privacy is gone the minute you fire up your smartphone, period. I don't really care, I'm past caring at this point. They can read my texts or look at my photos if they want, I have nothing to hide. They will be very bored that is all I can say!
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if you don't sync iMessages between devices that data is not stored in Apple servers.
there was an issue where Apple couldn't give messages from a phone that criminal was using to government because they said unless user syncs data between devices or do a iCloud backup they can't access the data.
I am not saying Apple is not using user data for advertisements.
 
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repoman016 said:
This is a tough one. I love imessage for numerous reasons, but also agree with everything said in this video. I have a good friend on Android and its pretty irritating to look at pixelated photos and videos that look like they were takin with a potato. Group chats are also annoying like others have mentioned. Dont care about green vs blue.
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Use WhatsApp ?
 
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