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Google's New 'iPager' Ad Shames Apple for Using Outdated Messaging Standard

swingerofbirch said:
2) It's insulting to suggest that this woman can't make up her own mind about which phone she wants and needs someone else to buy one for her. It's paternalistic by proxy. "Buy your mom an iPhone"? She's a person with agency. Maybe she doesn't want an iPhone and can pick her own phone.
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Since they were speaking of their mother, who very likely uses Facebook, and their concern was “not being able to send good quality videos or images”, it’s more suggesting that the reporter is being disingenuous. Like, the idea being presented was “In this world where email, facebook, and all the other social media and image/video sharing services that are available, I specifically want to send a high quality image using a messaging service… no, not WhatsApp, Signal or anything like that, but, very specifically, iMessage… and Apple should support RCS so that I can use, literally, the ONE service I and my mother have access to that can’t do what I want to do.”

For someone that wants to use iMessage over ALL of the other ways available, the answer to get her an iPhone makes sense! Like, c’mon, solve this problem for your mother using the free tools available.
 
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Why would Apple willingly give up a competetive advantage? Green bubbles are the mark of shame for a lot of people and drive them to get iphones.
 
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BuffaloTF said:
Since there was no monetizing it like they were able to do with SMS
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There WAS a way to to monetize it, I’ve seen a price list somewhere, but as customers in the US weren’t using SMS anymore, the folks that would be paying would be businesses… and the carriers couldn’t find any businesses that were willing to pay for the upcharge.

“So, what do you think about our plan for RCS, encrypted, higher quality video and audio, group chats, read receipts…”
“Well, 100% of my use for SMS is stuff like ‘Your order is ready’ or ‘Your reservation is on MM/YY’ or ‘Your table is ready’, not really stuff that needs to be encrypted. I’m not going to send them video or audio, do group chats with them and, for the messages I mentioned, I don’t need read receipts. If they show up, they read it. So, we’ll just keep using SMS.”

Then the carriers looked around at how much effort it would take to put something into place that no one was going to pay for… and gave it up.
 
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I im kinda sad that there are so many fanatic fanboys and girls here that we dont even examin if this could posible hold some truth ?

it is clear that group chat across platform is not possible, within the "sms / imessage" app - and it is also clear that pictures and videos dont do well, and the lack of end to end encryption.

it has to be in our, (us, the consumers) interest to have choice, and that it work cross platform.

Also the greatest pro argument for this is to get people out of Facebook / Meta Claws where people then do group chats cross platform. (and if there is one company i trust less than google it has to be facebook)
 
Octavius8 said:
Use WhatsApp or telegram as the rest of the planet. Get the message, you are the ones to blame!
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have you tried to explain this to your grandmother at the age of 80, who can bearly use sms and phone app ? No i dont want my data anywhere google servers, but also i would as a consumer like it to just work without having to do "ohh but you can just do this" i use the sms/imessage app 90% of the time - and Signal when i talk to friends abroad.
 
repoman016 said:
This is a tough one. I love imessage for numerous reasons, but also agree with everything said in this video. I have a good friend on Android and its pretty irritating to look at pixelated photos and videos that look like they were takin with a potato. Group chats are also annoying like others have mentioned. Dont care about green vs blue.
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Is texting the ONLY way? Or have you tried using any of the other applications that have no problem sending videos/images at better quality?
 
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gco212 said:
It's so odd seeing the number of people that are okay with Apple sticking with sending completely unencrypted SMS messages as the standby if both parties don't use iMessage, while also refusing to allow half the world to use iMessage. Obviously it helps Apple's lock-in customers, but it does nothing but harm users.

There's no upside to this for anyone.
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Because they’re aware that there’s solutions OTHER than texting that exists? OR, maybe they don’t feel sending “Dude, that was a scathing hot take!” or “Can you tell Joe to go ahead and I’ll meet him at the ticket counter?” to their Android friend necessarily requires encryption?
 
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I love this kind of advertising 😂 Its funny how companies make fun of each other and compete against each other yet they continue to do business like Google paying Apple a ton of money to be default search engine.

none the less, any standard controlled by Google is not a standard I want to use. Also, this is not about the user, Google knows Apple has captured iphone users in their "messages" platform like Whatsapp for the rest of the world, or Twitter. They want to break that Apple advantage, so people buy more Android phones.
 
votdfak said:
Majority outside USA don't give a **** about iMessage or RCS.
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I bet if someone checked to see where these were getting played, they’d only be in the USA. I would say “Google is trying their best to get a foothold SOMEWHERE in the world before WhatsApp removes their last opportunity,” but they know this effort isn’t going anywhere, they’re just throwing money in the trash every so often.
 
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garotemonkey said:
Ahahahahhaahah!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
*ahem*

Excuse me.

iMessage is one messaging service. Signal is another. Whatsapp is another. Whatever mashup Google is using in the current business quarter is another.

Their approach to RCS is no different than any other messaging service they've tried to champion. Google is not using "A STANDARD" protocol with RCS. It is using yet another proprietary implementation on top of that so-called standard; a fact that they are trying to lampshade by getting cell data carriers to endorse the protocol as if that was somehow a necessary part of interoperability in messaging. It's not. In fact there are good reasons it shouldn't be.

What Google wants, is what they've wanted every time they've tried this. They want to create a mandatory universal messaging system that has insecurity fundamentally baked into it, so that Google (and to a lesser extent all cellular carriers) has permanent, irrevocable access to a universe of data and metadata around messaging, as well as control over what is and isn't treated as spam or advertising.

What Google is asking, is for Apple to modify iMessage so that it constantly leaks content and metadata about everyone involved in a conversation, all the time, and cedes major decisions about implementation and revisions to its protocol to a "consortium" that essentially has only one other major player, which is ... Google.

There is absolutely no upside to this for anyone but Google.

As for you and your friends, if you're texting someone in iMessage and they complain because they're on an Android phone, tell them to install Signal. Then install Signal on your iPhone. Now both of you are suffering an equal amount of "inconvenience". Vote with your feet. No reason to play into Google's hands out of laziness.
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You forgot to tip your fedora.
... And to read up on the RCS implementation they are asking for, but you'll figure out which one you find more important with that comment you made.
 
zubikov said:
Many, many people here are missing the point. Apple is screwing its own customers by forcing them to have a poor experience with an outdated, unsecured chat standard. Apple can adopt RCS and still so everything with iMessage, but they refuse to move past MMS/SMS.

Apple is also shooting its future self in the foot by pushing group chats across the world in whatsapp and wechat.
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I mean… group chats across the world are ALREADY on whatsapp and wechat. And, those apps are available on iPhones.
 
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coolfactor said:
Ah ha! Found the answer! Yes, RCS requires data, and they fall-back to SMS with there's no data connection on either side of the conversation. Busted!

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That “Google RCS” falls back to SMS tells anyone all they need to know what’s different between SMS and “Google RCS” and “RCS” (the one that’s a protocol that was given up by the GSMA)… three separate things.
 
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TechieGeek said:
It's wild to see how many folks in this comment section are defending the fact that iOS still doesn't support RCS. That's WILD to me.

Nobody cares what color a message is. Google is encouraging Apple to support RCS, and every single iPhone user should be doing the same. Lets move on from the antiquated SMS/MMS standard just like we moved on from using 3G and we moved on from unencrypted http, it's something all of us would benefit from.
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The “Google RCS” solution they’re promoting falls back to SMS when there’s no data connection. So, even “Google RCS” can’t move on from the antiquated SMS/MMS standard!
 
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