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MacSA said:
How can this single Mac mini accidentally make it off the production line to be shipped to a customer several weeks before its officially announced?

Simple...it's not "weeks before", but most probably 1 week or even days before the official announcement...and the guy had ordered a 1.42 Mini, not a 1.5...he just received it because it's already getting out of assembly lines, as previously reported.

In other words, it's gonna be sweet to buy a Mini now, or even a cheap refurb one (for my Dad at least..!) ;)
 
Yes but other people here have received minis within the last 24 hours that are not the rumoured new ones. Also, when you add the shipping and delivery times..it probably is a couple of weeks before any announcment.
 
Chundles said:
There was a time way back when (PowerBook G3, early PowerBook G4) when the laptops had the same specs as the desktops.

Now however with the size of the cases, bigger, hotter, faster chips are the norm and people want light, slim laptops so smaller, cooler, slower chips have to go in.

People are annoyed at the lack of G4 progress (all Moto's fault mind you) and the fact that the iBook has excellent performance for the price when compared to the PowerBook. They want the PowerBook to get a big update because the gap between the consumer and professional portable lines has never been closer. And in some ways I agree. It would be good to see the PowerBook reclaim some of it's former glory (it used to be the fastest laptop in the world bar none) but I don't think that this will happen until the switch to Intel when it will be competing with every other laptop on speed, specs and features. I really hope Apple have got Tiger and all the apps running at blazing speed on the new Intel Macs (I say Tiger cause at least some Intel Macs will be shipping long before Leopard comes out) because unless it's very quick and good to use it's gonna be hard to justify a price premium on hardware everybody else has. And once that happens, Leopard had better be mind-blowingly cool.

Either way, this is much more exciting than waiting for anything new from the Wintel makers...

Of the small form factor laptops the powerbook is still one of the best performing, if not on paper. The windows books typically run like crap, whereas my friend's PB is just as snappy and responsive as my dual 2.5. Windows laptop, claims to be a 1.8, not only does it respond to input more slowly than my powerbook, it runs substantially slower than my 800 Mhz celeron Desktop. It's kind of sad.
 
oskar said:
Actually it's a lot more than that. Try running Motion 2 on a mac mini or playing Doom 3 on it. You can see the major differences there. But you know, the iMac is standard 128, so it would be logical for the PowerBook to go 128 standard as well and maybe the Mac mini could go to 64 at least for the middle model.

I've only become aware of the core image issue through this thread. Does this mean that one would not be able to make use of all the transitions in Keynote on a mac mini? Would someone be willing to test?
 
MacSA said:
Yes but other people here have received minis within the last 24 hours that are not the rumoured new ones. Also, when you add the shipping and delivery times..it probably is a couple of weeks before any announcment.

Probably because the person who received it was in the U.S., as far as I know...so whilst they are clearing stocks in Europe, they are already delivering the new ones for the local yankee market...
 
BRLawyer said:
Simple...it's not "weeks before", but most probably 1 week or even days before the official announcement...and the guy had ordered a 1.42 Mini, not a 1.5...he just received it because it's already getting out of assembly lines, as previously reported.

In other words, it's gonna be sweet to buy a Mini now, or even a cheap refurb one (for my Dad at least..!) ;)

I certainly hope that it will be soon. Next week would be very nice, ready to break out that Credit Card.
 
jdm7 said:
I've only become aware of the core image issue through this thread. Does this mean that one would not be able to make use of all the transitions in Keynote on a mac mini? Would someone be willing to test?

Every Core Image effect, that is accelerated by the GPU, should have a corresponding effect that can be done by the main CPU.

It's just that some effects can both be done in realtime by a given CPU and a GPU, but the GPU version might have higher quality or look cooler in some way. I would expect a screen transition to fall under this category.

On the other hand, some effects are meant to be quite fast, or subtle, just as a quick user interface feedback, like the ripple in Dashboard. In this case, sometimes the CPU can't do the full effect in realtime, so the choice of doing a degraded variant becomes pointless, so nothing is done at all.

Of course, if I were you I would still get confirmation about you specific question about Keynote, but I doubt that something like page transitions would not work with Core Image. I suspect that there will be new transitions that will look flashier with GPU acceleration, but will show up regardless if done by the CPU.


The kind of thing that I, personally, don't want to miss out on, by getting a Mac mini that doesn't have a Core Image supported GPU, are:

1. I don't want to miss out on the stupid little flashy tricks like the Dashboard ripple. I want to be able to "nonchalantly" show those off to PC users ;)

2. I want to be able to do lightening fast image manipulation, whenever some image editor, or hell even iPhoto, can take advantage of Core Image.

3. I suspect that Core Video, which is built on Core Image, will enable us poor G4 bastards to be able to view videos that otherwise only Dual G5 people can view. This alone would add years of use to a computer.
 
By the way, with 512 MB of RAM (from the last update), and a 5400 RPM drive, and a little CPU boost, I honestly think that a Mac mini would make a perfect server platform for geek homes, and also now, small offices.

There could be a whole new market that's just openned up to Mac mini sales.
 
Perhaps one of the impacts of these frequent and gradual updates will be outdated version being sold really cheap.... In fact- todays paper has an ad for a 1.25 gh Mac Mini for $299 !!!! (At "Fry's Electronics" )I don't need it- but,,,
 
Where?

ibook30 said:
Perhaps one of the impacts of these frequent and gradual updates will be outdated version being sold really cheap.... In fact- todays paper has an ad for a 1.25 gh Mac Mini for $299 !!!! (At "Fry's Electronics" )I don't need it- but,,,

Which fry's are you talking about? :confused: :eek:
 
I just ordered the midrange model, hopefully if this happens I'll be bumped to the new spec although shipping time on my order is only 5 days.
 
captain kirk said:
I just ordered the midrange model, hopefully if this happens I'll be bumped to the new spec although shipping time on my order is only 5 days.

:eek: .... it looks like you'll be getting the current model rather than anything new.
 
Whats the max rez i could run a mac mini at on a 20 inch monitor and that new 64 mb video card? I'd consider spending less and getting a new mini and a 20 inch apple (or identical dell) 20 inch monitor and then just upgrading to the new intel minis next year..but if I cant make it works decently (expose, etc) at higher resolutions, there's no point.
 
So new graphics cards are not any better? I will not even think about a mini until I am able to play some sort of graphics game on it.

Matt
 
msett said:
So new graphics cards are not any better? I will not even think about a mini until I am able to play some sort of graphics game on it.

Matt

If the rumors are true, they *are* slightly better. Doubling the ram from 32 to 64 will improve performance, but by how much remains to be seen. Macs just are not game machines, not by a long shot. :(
 
Vis said:
Macs just are not game machines, not by a long shot. :(

Sure they are - or at least, they can be - I have played all sorts of games on my Mac without difficulty or complaint whatsoever, so that very fact makes your statement false - Macs are game machines by the very fact that they play games. :p Civ III, Starcraft, Broodwar, SimCity, I've played many on my Mac... I think you should quantify your statement by instead saying that Macs are not necessarily hardcore game machines, for those gamers who have nothing better to do than demand playing UT2004 in 3498x2995 @ 76 fps with all textures turned on. ;) :cool:
 
Vis said:
Whats the max rez i could run a mac mini at on a 20 inch monitor and that new 64 mb video card? I'd consider spending less and getting a new mini and a 20 inch apple (or identical dell) 20 inch monitor and then just upgrading to the new intel minis next year..but if I cant make it works decently (expose, etc) at higher resolutions, there's no point.

A 20" LCD monitor should only be run in it's optimal resolution (1680x1050). Any other resolution will look like crap. The only monitor the Mini does not want to play with is the 30". Exposé will work just fine, but not as fast as on the iMac.
 
~Shard~ said:
Sure they are - or at least, they can be - I have played all sorts of games on my Mac without difficulty or complaint whatsoever, so that very fact makes your statement false - Macs are game machines by the very fact that they play games. :p Civ III, Starcraft, Broodwar, SimCity, I've played many on my Mac... I think you should quantify your statement by instead saying that Macs are not necessarily hardcore game machines, for those gamers who have nothing better to do than demand playing UT2004 in 3498x2995 @ 76 fps with all textures turned on. ;) :cool:

Exactly...my iMac G5 2.0 plays games much better than most ordinary PCs out there, even though I don't have that many games/time to play (apart from Call of Duty)...

You may only complain if: 1) you want those games not available on the Mac; 2) you wanna play Doom 3, as above said, in 4000x4000 with 200fps on a monster tower with a SLI GTX7800.

For normal users and normal settings, Macs are more than capable for gaming...the opposite view is just another old myth still spread around.
 
Uh, these were my System Profiler and XBench data from earlier in this thread, so people shouldn't view this as a sign that the new machines are flying out of the warehouse.

BRLawyer said:
OK guys, here is some confirmation of it, so you can all order yours, too:

- XBench for a MacMini 1.5:

http://www.macosx86.net/open/imgnews/benchnewmini.txt

- MacMini config with 1.5 proc and 64Mb VRAM, already delivered to a customer:

http://www.tcsmacs.net/ (for French readers)

System Profile:

http://www.macosx86.net/open/imgnews/graphics.jpg

Good luck with the cheap refurbs! ;)

It wasn't purchased under the test drive program. I purchased it last Wednesday evening (9/14), had it sent overnight, and received it on Friday (9/16). The odd thing about it was that I received an email from Apple on that Friday saying due to unexpected delays, my machine wouldn't ship out until Monday (9/19). I was quite surprised when the our mailroom person brought the box down later that day. Even after I had the box in hand, the Apple Store still had a pending status attached to my order.

lickily said:
Maybe its also the only one to get sold under the 'test drive' program :)

I have a 20" Dell attached to my Mini (the standard one (2001FP?), not the widescreen model) running at 1600X1200. Performance is decent. I haven't tried to run any games yet.

Vis said:
Whats the max rez i could run a mac mini at on a 20 inch monitor and that new 64 mb video card? I'd consider spending less and getting a new mini and a 20 inch apple (or identical dell) 20 inch monitor and then just upgrading to the new intel minis next year..but if I cant make it works decently (expose, etc) at higher resolutions, there's no point.
 
Vis said:
Whats the max rez i could run a mac mini at on a 20 inch monitor and that new 64 mb video card? I'd consider spending less and getting a new mini and a 20 inch apple (or identical dell) 20 inch monitor and then just upgrading to the new intel minis next year..but if I cant make it works decently (expose, etc) at higher resolutions, there's no point.


A 1680 x 1050 display is nearly 7MB in size. Mac OS X double buffers that, so that is 14MB of VRAM taken immediately.

Then each application (similarly double buffered?) will take up more memory - a full screen application will take up another 14MB of memory (probably only 7MB of VRAM, and 7MB of system RAM thinking about it). As you can see, with 32MB of memory a 20" display is nearly unusable (in terms of Expose and other things that rely on fast access to textures) with Mac OS X, however with 64MB it should be much more usable.
 
phairphan said:
It wasn't purchased under the test drive program. I purchased it last Wednesday evening (9/14), had it sent overnight, and received it on Friday (9/16). The odd thing about it was that I received an email from Apple on that Friday saying due to unexpected delays, my machine wouldn't ship out until Monday (9/19). I was quite surprised when the our mailroom person brought the box down later that day. Even after I had the box in hand, the Apple Store still had a pending status attached to my order.

Thanks for showing up and telling us the real story, Phairphan..! Hope you're enjoying your Mini now..!

Cheers
 
I'm hoping that the newly updated Mac mini will show up soon, Tuesday would be a good day. Certainly ready to purchase, also thinking of a 20" LCD.
 
Personally I would buy a mac mini to replace my "silent" g3-400 imacDV and would be willing to spend up to 1500 bucks for a pro model of the mini that supports all the features of the full tower. The form factor is what I care about most smaller quieter is what I am in the market for! Over the last few years I have bought several pc's a shuttle xpc small form factor etc... none of them has been able to replace my seriously aging imac for stablilty viruslessness and most of all quietness "the imac is silent" it makes zero noise which makes for a completly different experience while designing or doing anything creative using my shuttle is like trying to get creative with a hair blow dryer going full blast in my ear and it is very quiet by pc standards there is a huge difference between quiet and "SILENT"

I paid 1,450 bucks for my imac DV g3 400 back in 2001 and as a web design professional money is not really an object compared to stability and quality that the imac has delivered over the years. When they first released the mini was released I was totally suprised that they didnt see the 1000s if not million aging imacs out there and give us a comparable or even better replacement.

Some things I would like to see on a pro model.

*more than one firewire plug and make it firewire 800

*custom portable "ie protected foldable LCD" just made just for mini with harmon cardon speakers.. the old imacs are killer

*scrap airport and give me PVR functionality preferably cable TV ready.

*fastest possible hard drive 7200 rpm with tons of cache 16mbs or if heat and noise is an issue a 5400 with tons of cache at least 8mbs

*decent graphics preferrably nvidia 128 mbs

price is not an issue like so many others here form factor is an issue.. and no I dont want a full tower or a laptop, nor do I wish to be stuck with a built in monitor again a la imac G5
 
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