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Greenpeace Criticizes Apple's 'Daisy' Recycling Robot, Says Focus Should be on 'Repairable and Upgradeable Product Design'
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Well, yes, it makes sense to reduce, but Greenpeace is merely looking for publicity since Apple is one of the most environmentally conscious companies in the world.
As for myself I have a 5S, a 2012 Mac Pro, and my MacMinis from 2012 are still grinding away. Apple makes products that last, so Greenpeace is barking up the wrong tree. I've never had a Wintel machine last that long or cause as few problems as my Apple products. When the P.R. people get hold of a movement, that's when you begin to question their motives. So tell me, is Greenpeace actually looking to solve environmental problems, or just looking to raise more money for its pet causes regardless of whether they have real impact?
Almost every component in iPhone is replaceable, Camera, PCA, Battery, speaker, display, what more is green peace expecting Apple to do ?
Processor, memory, should be replaceable as well like desktop ? Each component on PCA be replaceable?
I think on the whole apple products are more usable for a longer time period than their competitors but
at the same time,Apple seems less focused on user upgradeability or product life extension.
Hell, heres a new iMac, apple WILL NOT repair it!
at the same time,Apple seems less focused on user upgradeability or product life extension.
Hell, heres a new iMac, apple WILL NOT repair it!
Right, I forgot. Sinking French Ships, climbing towers, flying flags etc.... Thanks for the reminder.
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No thats the Sea Shepard Conservancy. Quite a bit more effective than Green People has ever been.
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Yea, but it feels good to read it.
Typical clueless idiots.
This isn't 1953. Repairability is not something any consumer cares about, and it isn't something any designer or manufacturer should care about.
Better products that solve more problems that are highly recyclable are efficient uses of time and resources today.
This isn't 1953. Repairability is not something any consumer cares about, and it isn't something any designer or manufacturer should care about.
Better products that solve more problems that are highly recyclable are efficient uses of time and resources today.
Upgradable handheld products as small as a phone is not feasible. Newer software most often require more processing power. On Desktops it is feasible to upgrade processors, video cards... etc. it would be a hell of a lot more expensive to design that kind of upgradability in phones.
iPhones right now are repairable. Change out the battery and you will practically have a new iPhone.
iPhones right now are repairable. Change out the battery and you will practically have a new iPhone.
iPhones are less and less repairable. As of iPhone 8, the display is linked to device and swapping with even another genuine Apple iPhone 8 display will still lose functionality. Next Apple will probably lock the batteries too. That is the kind of thing Apple has been doing.
Apple likes to shout how green it is, Greenpeace are just saying that they could do better, yes there are companies that are far worse, but no matter how good Apple are they can always do better
The iPhone is already as repairable as it needs to be. Apple also keeps the iPhone updated for a long time, so people can keep them for much longer than other phones (except with iOS 11 throttling that they've recently fixed).
For Macs, I agree 100%. Apple is pretty criminal with certain Mac repairs. Especially the iMac, oh geez.
But I don't care about Greenpeace anyway. They've already lost all credibility many times over. They flyered my house to tell me I should turn my phone off to save energy. It's 2 watts, and they made flyers and drove around to tell us that. Can't tell if they're retarded or just being "clever" with their marketing. Just one example but representative of others. Their name is also annoying.
Sorry, but esp with all the politics, an org protecting the environment really needs to be more genuine and maintain a neutral stance if they're going to accomplish anything. The fact that they're labeled as "liberal," which makes zero sense, shows the problem.
For Macs, I agree 100%. Apple is pretty criminal with certain Mac repairs. Especially the iMac, oh geez.
But I don't care about Greenpeace anyway. They've already lost all credibility many times over. They flyered my house to tell me I should turn my phone off to save energy. It's 2 watts, and they made flyers and drove around to tell us that. Can't tell if they're retarded or just being "clever" with their marketing. Just one example but representative of others. Their name is also annoying.
Sorry, but esp with all the politics, an org protecting the environment really needs to be more genuine and maintain a neutral stance if they're going to accomplish anything. The fact that they're labeled as "liberal," which makes zero sense, shows the problem.
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The fact that no company got an "A" in Greenpeace's "Guide", proves their expectations are unrealistic, since absolutely no company met it. Even uncompromising teachers have a better class success rates than that; they may give out A's rarely, but someone meets it.
Excuse me? That is 100% backwards. In Operation Satanic*, French operatives violated New Zealand territory to place mines on a Greenpeace ship docked in Auckland. The mines sank the ship and killed someone on board. Furthermore, France lied to New Zealand about it until the two French agents were caught by New Zealand police.
* What a name. Seriously.
Honestly, I couldn't give a duck about what Greenpeace say, about anything.
Everything we make comes from the earth. It's not like we are making stuff out of nothing. Putting it back into the ground is recycling.
SMARTPHONES
And what would you like to “upgrade” on your phone by yourself? Install new camera, and some RAM and upgrade hard drive ?
If you want to have a phone with a sturdy feeling, the unibody is much better. Unibody makes it more difficult to remove battery, change parts.
The main point of smartphone “repair ability” is, that almost nobody will do it the self at home, as the components are too small and the whole process it extremely fiddly.
The few, who will, will do it anyway (just for a challenge) and probably screw something up in the process and than take it to store to repair it.
COMPUTER TOWERS
Computers are different. You can be “eco friendly” by throwing out the whole inside of the computer and put newer things inside. The old internals go to the dumpster, keeping the chassis, and maybe power source. Then you buy all new motherboard, new ram (if standard changes by then) new CPU and GPU, new everything, from all those eco friendly computer components makers, who do not harm environment whatsoever.
You have done it, you have saved the planet.
LAPTOPS IN A OVERSIMPLIFIED STATEMENT
- Casuals: buy the cheapest (last the shortest time)
- Enthusiasts: buy the maxed out (change only once dead)
- PROs: buy maxed out every few years (doesn’t matter it still runs as a whistle, just write it off and get a new one)
And, yes, the RANT BONUS
I have a real answer to environment improvement. From now on the GreenPeace shall use only pencil and recycled paper for writing their reports. They must lead the way
That's not an argument. That is the nature of all technology and no company nor product is immune from it.
Well they’re right.
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I wasn’t aware Greenpeace was made up of one chap. What a hardworking guy he is
Keeping products in use longer isn't up to Apple, it's up to their users. Why can't Apple make the best product they want and let users decide if they want to upgrade in one, two, or ten years time without a 3rd party getting involved?
I agree with Greenpeace's overall push on the industry as a whole but citing one company in particular just shows how lazy they are acting and how uninformed they are about the nature of technology and commerce.
It’s generally considered bad form and/or lazy to pretend to speak for everyone. Just thought you’d like to know that.
Funny that individuals here seem to overlook Apples repair situation - like the fact if you open an iMac then you can’t even pay Apple full price to make later repairs.... A very silly tech company indeed but hey I guess that’s part of their business plan. Why are so many people against repairing the devices you buy. Thankfully there’s a big EU law coming in soon that will fix (heh) this situation
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My guess is Apple are a major US company.... other device makers are based in China and South Korea and good luck getting them to improve their ways! LOL Apple are good people though especially Tim Cook. Very progressive, decent, agreeable firm and CEO. No doubt that green peace and the upcoming EU Law will help make Apple that bit better
Maybe if you read beyond the headline you would realize your claim is flat out wrong.
I can sort of see where Greenpeace are coming from; take the MacBook Pro, Mac Mini and iMac.
Soldered RAM and making it very difficult to upgrade the HDD/SSD in some cases.
I used to have an 21.5” iMac that had user accessible RAM slots so why on Earth Apple felt it necessary to remove it in later models (other than to boost profits?) makes zero sense to me.
Soldered RAM and making it very difficult to upgrade the HDD/SSD in some cases.
I used to have an 21.5” iMac that had user accessible RAM slots so why on Earth Apple felt it necessary to remove it in later models (other than to boost profits?) makes zero sense to me.