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Greenpeace Criticizes Apple's 'Daisy' Recycling Robot, Says Focus Should be on 'Repairable and Upgradeable Product Design'
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I may have read the Greenpeace quote wrong, or taken it out of context, but it seems they are trying to relate the 3-4 week delay in getting a battery replacement with Apple reducing the price. Didn’t they reduce the price because they were slowing down phones with low battery capacity to improve performance? So the lower price isn’t a result of a demand.
Anyways, one of the reasons I buy Apple products is because of their longevity. This is one of the reasons I feel that they hold their value so well. I normally keep my phone for ~ 2 years and only replace it when I feel a new phone is worth upgrading. I always sell them to someone else, and wouldn’t be surprised if they use it for another 2-3 years. So a 4-5 year life span for a device like that is pretty good IMO. I doubt an android device from Samsung even comes close.
Anyways, one of the reasons I buy Apple products is because of their longevity. This is one of the reasons I feel that they hold their value so well. I normally keep my phone for ~ 2 years and only replace it when I feel a new phone is worth upgrading. I always sell them to someone else, and wouldn’t be surprised if they use it for another 2-3 years. So a 4-5 year life span for a device like that is pretty good IMO. I doubt an android device from Samsung even comes close.
what Greenpeace does not know is that Apple is working towards building iPhone from 100% recycled materials. That is Apple's ultimate goal.
I very much doubt this will ever happen. Our phones are getting thinner and and the insides are getting more dense. that means the screws and separator plates that have traditionally made it safe for the user to repair are no longer in there. Fairphone tried and they remain a very small niche product. Google tried project ara and failed. It simply goes to show that consumers don't care very much about repairability and environmental friendliness over functionality, as much as we'd want them to.
Not sure why nearly every Daisy article today is saying that Daisy is faster than Liam. Daisy can do 200 iPhones per hour and Liam can do one every 11 seconds which works out to about 327 per hour. It’s good to be smaller and more efficient, but it is not faster. Perhaps if it is less complicated to build, can fit more into a given space, is cheaper, uses less electricity, etc you could say it is faster when deployed at scale in a given facility.
Apple is not 100% renewable by any stretch despite their misleading claims. They say they are carbon neutral for their offices and retail outlets by a mix of environmental measures including using carbon credits (off setting their carbon output by reducing carbon somewhere else). But of course if Apple actually made something in their own factories and foundries (like Samsung for example) then they wouldn’t be so pious with their claims and everyone would know exactly how much fossil fuel energy was being used in making Apple trinkets everyday, that is about the same as everyone else’s phone, computer or tablet.
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Finally someone was able to call hypocrite Tim out !
private flying Tim keeps selling glued iPhones and Macs done in slave suicide factories
when relentlessly telling us how we need to be green and be good
using software to punish honest family run repair shops
F..... hypocrite
here is Louis:
private flying Tim keeps selling glued iPhones and Macs done in slave suicide factories
when relentlessly telling us how we need to be green and be good
using software to punish honest family run repair shops
F..... hypocrite
here is Louis:
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Apple should offer a buy back program where they pay a fixed amount based on materials which are recoverable from a device. Then people would be more likely to return the device to Apple once it’s 5 years old.
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Of course agree peace won’t hound others as much as Apple because Greenpeace do it for the clicks and donations. They need to earn their money by going after the big fish as that gets them the most media coverage.
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I am not sure I entirely understand the criticism. It is extremely common for me to run into Apple users who have used their prhones for 4-5 years. Sure, Apple might not give the user an option to repair stuff by themselves, but on an average, the longevity of their devices is far greater than the android flagships. the non-flagship androids really become a struggle even after an year of use. If this robot, helps them recycle components from phones that haven't been repaired and thus replaced, all the power to them.
Not that I don't have problems with Apple repair process and costs. But they are better than most alternatives, simply because their products inherently last longer.
Not that I don't have problems with Apple repair process and costs. But they are better than most alternatives, simply because their products inherently last longer.
Yeah Laws need to change to stop soldering on parts that should be upgradable, for example ram and add storage. Also Apple shouldn’t be allowed to lock up their ecosystem, products like the HomePod should have to have Bluetooth and 3.5mm support.
There needs to be better laws in place, but it also applies to the fact that you have to buy a new Washing Machine if one component fails. I had one that just needed a new board, but it was more expensive than buying a whole new one.
There needs to be better laws in place, but it also applies to the fact that you have to buy a new Washing Machine if one component fails. I had one that just needed a new board, but it was more expensive than buying a whole new one.
Greenpeace: what happens when you want to influence the world but have no particular set of skillls.
They should be the change they want. Instead they just tell other people what they should be doing. Chumps.
They should be the change they want. Instead they just tell other people what they should be doing. Chumps.
I totally agree. At the same time, the way Apple soldered everything in their abysmal "new" disposable MacBook Pro's is utter b0llocks.
I am all for Saving the environment, but come on GreenPeace Apple are leading the way in on reducing packing's sizes, 100% renewable energy... etc Plus there products last longer than other companies and have the best second hand value.
But we can do better!
But we can do better!
Yes, you are correct. Than you for the correction. I don't pay much attention to Greenpeace. The Sea Shepard Conservancy is far less political.
Apple have the biggest second hand market for their products especially phones and their devices last longer than anyone else’s without repairability and in part because of that lack of repairability. It’s a pity Greenpeace understanding of engineering and the green credentials of the second hand market is not as good as its ability to spout utter bull!!
As part of its 2018 environmental report, Apple today unveiled the latest iteration of its recycling robot, named Daisy. Daisy is an upgraded version of Liam, the recycling robot Apple debuted in 2016. Daisy is smaller, faster, and more efficient than Liam, able to disassemble 200 iPhones per hour and obtain their component parts for recycling.
In response to Apple's environmental report and details about the new robot, Greenpeace has released a statement suggesting Apple's focus should be on product longevity rather than recycling robots.
In a statement, Greenpeace Senior analyst Gary Cook said Apple needs to work on product designs that better accommodate upgrades and repairs, allowing for devices to be used for a longer period of time. Cook says customers clearly want to keep their devices for longer, citing demand for battery replacements under Apple's discounted battery program.Greenpeace often champions device repairability and longevity, especially in regard to Apple products. Last summer, for example, Greenpeace teamed up with iFixit to rate the repairability of Apple devices, accusing Apple of shortening device lifespan with difficult, proprietary repair processes and components, ultimately leading to more electronic waste.
Daisy, Apple's newest recycling robot.
For its part, Apple in its environmental report says that device durability and longevity is one of its goals, citing its efforts to provide parts and repairs for five years after a product is no longer manufactured. "When products can be used longer, fewer resources need to be extracted from the earth to make new ones," reads the report.
While Greenpeace criticized Apple's lack of focus on repairability, it did laud Apple's efforts to cut down on greenhouse gas emissions in comparison to Apple competitors. Samsung, for example, operates on 1 percent renewable energy, a sharp contrast to Apple's operations that now run on 100 percent renewable energy.Greenpeace regularly gives Apple high marks for the company's dedication to environmental improvements, which is close to unparalleled in the tech world. Apple received a B- in Greenpeace's latest Guide to Greener Electronics, beating out Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony, Samsung, Lenovo, Huawei, HP, LG, and more.
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