Hell yes. Just like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton without their race baiting nonsense. Without racism....Jessie Jackson’s already extremely low value to the world would drop to absolute zero.
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Greenpeace Criticizes Apple's 'Daisy' Recycling Robot, Says Focus Should be on 'Repairable and Upgradeable Product Design'
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Hell yes. Just like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton without their race baiting nonsense. Without racism....Jessie Jackson’s already extremely low value to the world would drop to absolute zero.
Making devices "repairable" also requires concessions in other areas. For example, the device has to be made larger and heavier. An electronic device that uses soldered connections instead of press fit connections is also more power efficient and sturdier.
I use quotes around repairable because most Apple devices are repairable, and in most cases by humans without any special tools. For example, ifixit sells parts and instructions to replace the screen, battery, earpiece, speaker, and Taptic Engine on the iPhone X. Yet 99.9999% of people who own an iPhone X would not want to repair it themselves.
That Apple intentionally makes devices non-repairable is a myth perpetuated by people who are clueless as to what engineering an electronic device entails, and clueless about the actual repairability of Apple's devices.
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No - I'm not randomly railing against Greenpeace. I am a Greenpeace supporter who is now withdrawing support this year to protest what Greenpeace has said here.
Does Greenpeace know for sure that they are 100% right about what they are saying here? I don't think they do, and I also don't think Greenpeace is right about this issue. I have great doubts about what they are saying here. I think there is a big chance Greenpeace is wrong here. So I am protesting it by telling them I will not be donating to Greenpeace for 2018.
I think Greenpeace is wrong here and they should go back to the drawing board and pick on something worthwhile.
Pick your battles Greenpeace! Be sure you know what you are talking about!
Yep. Most of the adhesive bond can be weakened by using a heat source like a hair dryer or a heat gun. I've taken apart several glued together devices with nothing more than a hair dryer and a butter knife.
You’re supposed to tell them it’s a limited edition model that was sent to you special by Tim Cook himself.
Whereas your value started at zero and has remained at zero.
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They're not wrong, simply too extreme to be taken seriously. Mocking a company for investing millions in recycling, when there is nothing requiring them to recycle and other companies spend nothing, is absurd.
Frankly, the idea of iPhones, or any other intricate machine being home-repairable, or repairable by the guy down the street for like, 20 bucks, is a complete freaking fantasy. It is 21st century manufacture. It's not like Dad can transform a his woodworking hobby into a state of the art factory that fixes chips and processors, or micro-solders connections, or grinds new pixels for an OLED screen. A purely vain idea. The invention of a smartphone that costs $100 bucks and for which parts are in abundance, and all joints have big screws that pop can keep in his workshop? DIY gone mad.
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My iPhone X disagrees.
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My iPhone X disagrees.
When I was your age there were XXX repair shops on every corner. Clothing, TV, hi-fi, vacuum, sewing machine, and more. The phone company would come to your house to repair or replace your phone. Many of us also knew how to pull the vacuum tubes out of our devices and take them to the testing machine in every grocery store.
And recycling? We never heard that word, because we reused everything. Bottles went back to be washed and reused -- just like they are doing in Europe today. http://refillables.grrn.org/content/western-europes-experience-refillable-beverage-containers
And recycling? We never heard that word, because we reused everything. Bottles went back to be washed and reused -- just like they are doing in Europe today. http://refillables.grrn.org/content/western-europes-experience-refillable-beverage-containers
Huh? He has created more value than you. These low value people don’t know you exist. Don’t project onto them. GP just happens to be wrong here. Why can’t people be wrong without you making it personal?
I’m happy they exist. And they’re right about repair ability. Greenpeace and others are pushing towards a cleaner healthier environment for everyone. I can’t see any harm in that.
It’s all just repackaged Christian ‘original sin’ superstition, that humans are inherently evil, and only ‘insert holier than thou’ institution that can absolve you of this guilt and sin, for the low low price of ‘$giveu$ca$h’.
*Order now for a bonus ‘entitled finger pointer’ you can use on everyone else, to feel even better about yourself.
[Case in point: poster above already feels better that Greenpeace is there. For many activist orgs, feels > thinks.]
*Order now for a bonus ‘entitled finger pointer’ you can use on everyone else, to feel even better about yourself.
[Case in point: poster above already feels better that Greenpeace is there. For many activist orgs, feels > thinks.]
I’m really surprised there is so little animo for working towards a better, cleaner world. If it wasn’t the likes of Greenpeace and other health, nature and resource organizations we probably still keep farming and polluting the world even more. It’s not all about profits but about keeping and caring for now and in the future. While Apple has made big gains with their resources. They could do even more by making their products more repairable and upgradable. That last point is something that will benefit most users but will hurt apple’s profits. If Tim Cook really cares about the environment he should work on this and not doing the opposite like Apple is doing these last years. Don’t make proprietary cables but use standards, etc.
Well, population reduction is a good way to decrease our carbon footprint. Any green peace activists want to volunteer?
That’s the main reason we have to think about our actions. Your last comment is short sided and disrespectful.
Good grief. I can tell you that in many (if not most) places people DO NOT upgrade their phone every year.
And if you do, you are exactly the problem.
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Exactly.
Clearly they don’t. Because Apple makes money by selling new devices. And what’s this new magical improved system they speak of?
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I agree environment is more important and economic models should include the environment as a cost... but please tell me your magical other system that is better? Apple makes money by selling new devices not making sure old ones last forever.
I never denied that many Apple customers keep their phones more than a year. What I said was that MANY Apple users do update their phones every year. You are free to disagree with me about that, I can't force you to be right
And, exactly what "problem" am I causing? I trade my phone in every year which means I am helping to provide good quality, gently used 1 year old phones to a market segment that doesn't want to pay full price for the latest iPhone.
As for the comment you agreed with about Apple should make iPhones upgradable, what was the last electronic device you designed? I spent over decade designing electronic controllers for GM vehicles and Cummins engines. There are design tradeoffs to everything. If you don't solder a chip to the board because you want to be able to swap it out next year, you end up using a socket which adds bulk to your device and creates reliability problems due to susceptibility to mechanical shock/impact, vibration and potentially even thermal expansion. You also have to be able to open the device to get to the components you want to swap out which means more moving parts and more potential leakage points for dust and moisture.
The problem is rampant consumption. The never ending devouring of resources over the 'need' for the next shiny thing.
We (everyone in the top 1% especially) need to learn to live with less; be satisfied with what we have.
Stop trying to justify it.
There are valid reasons for customers to be able to open up their computers for basic maintenance. Anyone who has seen the insides of neglected computers will realize that dust buildup can be a major problem, from the film of dust on the boards to the dust bunnies clogging the fans. People should not have to lug their desktop Macs to an Apple store just to have them cleaned out. They should be able to easily open them up and do it themselves. But Apple defenders would rather blame users for not wearing a bunny suit and for not keeping their Macs in a sterile cleanroom at all times.
Next, someone will say "Personally, I don't have any problems with dust, so nobody has problems".
Next, someone will say "Personally, I don't have any problems with dust, so nobody has problems".
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An I don't always agree with GreenPeace, but in this case they are right. It is obvious that repairable goods are much better for the environment that ones that are not.
Apple says they need to use copious amounts of glue every where which is just plain false. Take the battery in the MBP this is glued in unnecessarily. I recently had the similar form factor battery replaced in my Dell XPS, the engineer came to my house, whipped the cover off with a standard torx driver, unplugged the battery and swapped in a new one. Whole job was over in minutes.
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Doesn't quite work if you change your video editor for instance which might give you greater performance with an extra 16GB stick of memory. out of luck if you have a MBP