Greenpeace Ejected from MacExpo

[kettle]

Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain!

...sorry, couldn't resist.🙂

you're quite welcome...

It'll be the fact that that is funny that keeps me in good spirits for the future.

"I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do. Whereas priests... more drink?"
Father Ted

Hopefully, (and it's what I'm clinging to) it's 'these islands' (Churchill) that'll finally make them ask what they did it all for. I believe we are immune as a group of people (assimilated though we be) because we'll always laugh in the face of adversity. History tells us that even if 'they' invade us they soon escape (or join up) because 'we' (who aren't aspiring fascists or fascist fodder) are content to treat political occupation as if it were one big joke.

long may the Joke continue.

(anyone watched V for Vendetta yet?)

 

[kettle]

What can be offensive about being "green"?

The idea... nothing.

The implementation of the idea...

It's just another big stick with a flag on the end.

 

[MrSmith]

Maybe a new user title: double talker.
Damned if I can make head nor tail of the last few posts. Maybe I'm stewpid. 🙁

 

[Porco]

I am very concerned about the environment, but I think it sounds like Greenpeace did go too far. I am actually dubious of the methodology used to say that Apple is ranked so poorly in terms of the environment, because as others have said, I think Mac users tend to hang on to their machines more, or else they do seem to have a better time being resold on e-bay etc, they hold their value well. So even if an individual Mac contained, say 10% more dangerous stuff (guesstimate - ) in it than a Dell or something, if it has two owners or is used for twice as long then does that really still make them so bad?

That said, I do wish Apple would improve upon meeting their environmental responsibilities, there's no good reason for them not to. Their name and company logo is a piece of fruit that grows on trees, so the tree-hugging comments aren't quite so irrelevant, are they? 😛

Edit: Apple can you also put a spell check into Safari please 🙂

If you're running Tiger, it does already - system-wide actually, just choose Edit>Spelling>Check Spelling as You Type whilst using anything you can enter text in (a forum reply box would work for example) 🙂

 

[splintah]

i just signed up and I also send an email to steve

i dont understand how someone doesnt support that


you dont even have to pay anything
and enviromental protection is a good thing in hopefully everybodys opinion

 

[weg]

It's about time Apple got rid of some of the rubbish materials in their machines, it's not that the campaigners are trying to brusie Apple but encourage them to be better than their competitors. I mean, Apple already has many advantages over Windows, so surely 'Green' can be one of them.

As long as Microsoft doesn't remove the power management from Vista there's no way how an operating system could be non-green...

 

[BackInTheSaddle]

The problem with Greenpeace is that they can't get over themselves. It doesn't matter to these self-important selfish ideologues if they are right or wrong; as long as they are advocating a particular position, they feel justified to take any action (legal or illegal) to support that position. Also, they don't care if they interfere with the rights of other exhibitors, companies who paid quite a bit of money to participate in the Expo to meet with customers.

I'm glad that Greenpeace was ejected from the Expo--it is exactly what should have happened, as it should to any rube or hooligan who can't follow the rules.

 

[Buschmaster]

It isn't like I "hate the world" or anything, even though reading through this thread some people might thing so just by my saying this...

If I payed all that money to get into that expo (it is as expensive as the ones in the States, right?) and someone was being annoying? I'd want them gone, as well. We just got rid of all solicitation on my floor at college, and it isn't like every candidate who stopped by I hated, but they were sure hoping they could make it that way. And the vegans... man do they not give up. I wanted to start heating hot dogs in the microwave just so they'd get out!!

If I'm enjoying myself at the time they come in, they can change some of that. And I don't know the whole story, but if people were complaining about them, then they should be kicked out.

Maybe they're still just searching for Elaine Bennis...? They never leave a message undelivered, I hear.

 

[mambodancer]

They do build in obsolescence into the ipod as you can't replace the battery (easily). It does become a disposable item, although a pricey one at that. I do love the ipod (even though I don't own one) but this puts me off to the point where I just can't go through with actually buying one. My experience with rechargeable batteries in mobile phones and lap top isn't good.

My first gen 5GB iPod is still going strong after 5 years.

Also, even if the battery went totally dead, why would you throw a perfectly good iPod away? I use mine as a portable hard drive and in the car with an FM transmitter (connected to the lighter outlet to power the iPod) to listen to podcasts and music. Neither requires the battery for either of these functions. If you jog or bike or listen to your iPod while travelling and don't have access to power then replacing the battery is problematic but not impossible. In fact the local Microcenter here in Denver sells iPod battery replacements for less than $100 and will install them if you don't want to.

I don't think this is the problem some people seem to think it is and if anyone reading these posts wants to throw out their iPod that has a bad battery please contact me and I will gladly take it off your hands.

 

[Daringescape]

I found this interesting comment on the making waves site - is it true. If it is then the commies at greenpeace need to stop bitching.


Greenpeace appears to have its facts in a muddle. I've studied the environmental performance of the leading companies and here is what I've found.
1. Apple is rated best in class in environmental performance for both portables and desktops by the US Environmental Protection Agency's EPEAT tool (www.EPEAT.net). This tool is based on a 2006 IEEE standard for product environmental performance.
2. In August, Greenpeace conducted extensive tests on leading laptop brands to establish whether or not they were compliant with a European substance ban directive. Apple's laptops were subjected to more than one hundred tests and they were unequivocally found to be RoHS compliant. Note that Greenpeace has subsequently buried this report.

3. Greenpeace found 200 parts per million of TBBA (a harmless brominated flame retardant currently used by all manufacturers) in an Apple fan assembly. TBBA is not banned, and even if it were you would need to quadruple the quantity that was detected in the Apple fan assembly before it reached the European definition of concentration that are permitted for 'banned' substances.

4. HP's laptop failed the compliance test, and Greenpeace ranked HP as the top performer in their August score-card ranking.

5. Despite being ranked at the bottom of Greenpeaces scorecard, Apple is the only manufacturer to have commited to phasing out PVC and TBBA without qualifiers (i.e if economically viable)

6. Apple is the only manufacturer to have eliminated DecaBrome from all plastic parts.

From my research, I can only conclude that Greenpeace is targeting Apple because of the 60 million iPod customers out there. Pity, I used to have a lot of respect for Greenpeace.

 

[gnasher729]

This has NOTHING to do with environmentalism, president Bush, or freedom of speech. It has to do with a the organizers of a privately held event kicking out an attendee for violating the terms it had set.

Not quite. This is one attendee that proved to be troublemaker in the past, who made the mistake of not following the terms to the tiniest detail, thereby giving the organisers an excuse for kicking them out. If lets say NVidia or ATI were showing graphics cards that are of interest to Macintosh users, and they were violating the terms of the organizers in the same way, nothing would happen at all.

That said, I wouldn't have let them in in the first place. It seems that their attack against Apple was mostly caused by Apple not making any actual promises about environmental issues - Greenpeace measured companies mostly by the amount of promises they made, and Apple is more into action.

 

[Floop]

...and by the way yes this thread has gone off topic, partly my fault because I couldn't believe some stupid posts and felt obliged to respond. I won't drag the thread any further down this path because it's not the right place to do it.

I saw the Greenpeace activists today at MacExpo. There were two outside the venue, and about six at the train station nearby.

They were quiet and calm, but I do actually agree with the Event Organisers that kicked them out - if you break the rules, you pay the consequences, and they admit they broke the rules, so boo hoo to them.

I also question the 'environmentally friendliness' of them handing out thousands of flyers to anybody who walks past, so the flyers end up strewn across the street at the end of the day, or chucked away.

I think their argument has also been shot to pieces by counter evidence.

I have respect for people who take a stand on principles, but not people who take a stand because they want to be subversive or outspoken for the sake of it. I believe Greenpeace have lost the plot.

 

[Porco]

Good idea, but mine is grayed out, any ideas on how to fix that?

Sure; you just need to click in something in which you can enter text (so you have a blue outline in the box, and a cursor awaiting your input). Try going to reply to this, click in the reply box and then take a look in the Edit menu again, it should be available. 🙂

 

[jsw]

I'm not going to wade through all of the posts here and delete another few dozen off-topic ones, but it's clear that this thread is incapable of staying on-topic, which is a requirement in the news forums, and so it's being closed.