Tell us what makes this a copy, let alone a bad copy. https://www.lifewire.com/usb-c-vs-lightning-5206813
Being first isn't the threshold for innovation; remember the LG Prada?
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Greg Joswiak: Apple Will Have to Comply With the EU and Switch iPhone to USB-C
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Being first isn't the threshold for innovation; remember the LG Prada?
IMO the only thing USB-C possibly copied was the concept that plugs should be reversible, but if you look at the history of power plugs, circular and MagSafe included, the USB consortium probably would have ended up there regardless. Anyone who has dealt with the annoyance of USB-A would realize that reversibility would be great.
The Prada's single-touch OS wasn't innovative beyond having a capacitive screen; it had little in common with the iPhone's multi-touch OS with gestures. The iPhone's OS and apps were generations ahead of what was on the Prada.
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The directive only applies to devices that have wired charging. If they have a wired plug, it must support USB-C. But a wireless-only device with no plug is fine.
Correct, which supports the point I was making. Just because something came first and looks similar isn't the same as being a copy.
reading the comments, some saying keep it at USB2 speeds and others saying what will they do when newer better options arise?
how about we split the difference and choose the best current option (USB C) and give it at least 2012 era USB3 speeds. could give faster transfer speeds on pro models too.
try to live in the present, not the past, not the future.
(as for me i am in the past i think, i still have so much old tech that I will be in dongle land for a long time no matter what they do, but maybe someday i will reach the present.)
how about we split the difference and choose the best current option (USB C) and give it at least 2012 era USB3 speeds. could give faster transfer speeds on pro models too.
try to live in the present, not the past, not the future.
(as for me i am in the past i think, i still have so much old tech that I will be in dongle land for a long time no matter what they do, but maybe someday i will reach the present.)
You do realise that Apple actually designed USB-C, too, right? Along with Intel, Apple engineers made up the bulk of the engineers on the USB-C project, and Apple was one of the first companies to ship a USB-C laptop.
Oh, yes it is! An innovation is the very first application of a new improvement. Lightning was the first symmetrical connector that would go in either way. USB-C is not as good, because it's bigger and less innovative. Copying someone else's great idea, never gives you the same bragging rights. The LG Prada doesn't live on in high regards, because apparently a touchscreen wasn't by far the only innovation of the first iPhone. Only Apple can deliver this level of software and hardware integration that makes all the magic. 🧙♂️
The regulation only covers wired charging. If it has a wired connector then it must have the ability to be charged by usb-c. It doesn't cover wireless.
I would likely prefer usbc but I really don’t like governments dictating innovation.
Apple is very “green” - way better than most companies using usbc. Yet in 5-10 years how do we innovate from usbc. Why even work on a new standard?
Apple is very “green” - way better than most companies using usbc. Yet in 5-10 years how do we innovate from usbc. Why even work on a new standard?
Well, The iPhone 5 ( 2013 )was the first lighting connector iPhone.
"the lightning port launched on the iPhone 5 and has been on every iPhone since."
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No, it seems that the EU directive doesn't necessarily apply to input devices other than keyboards and mice. Specifically, it states:
"The requirements in points 2 and 3 below shall apply to the following categories or classes of radio equipment:
a) handheld mobile phones,
b) tablets,
c) digital cameras,
d) headphones,
e) headsets,
f) handheld videogame consoles,
g) portable speakers,
h) e-readers,
i) keyboards,
j) mice,
k) portable navigation systems,
l) earbuds,
m) laptops
Within these categories or classes of radio equipment, only radio equipment integrating a removable or embedded rechargeable battery is concerned.
Regarding digital cameras, the concerned radio equipment is any digital photo and video cameras (including action cameras). Digital cameras designed exclusively for the audio- visual sector, or the ‘security and surveillance’ sector should not be required to integrate the harmonised solution.
Regarding earbuds, the concerned radio equipment is considered together with its dedicated charging case or box, given that earbuds are never dissociated from their charging case or box due to their specific size and shape. The charging case or box for that specific type of radio equipment is not considered as part of the charging device.
Regarding laptops, the concerned radio equipment is any computer that is portable, which include among others laptops, notebooks, ultraportables, hybrids or convertibles, netbooks."
You guys seem generally happy with the EU's decision, despite this meaning that innovation is now essentially regulated in the EU (and probably elsewhere, unless Apple produce different devices for non-EU markets) in respect of data and power cables.
When the EU inevitably starts regulating other parts of devices and experiences, I will be here to remind you that allowing a transnational regulating body, centralised in Brussels, to influence global innovation, is a bad idea. It starts by unifying things in ways that consumers are inclined to believe is convenient and then spreads to other kinds of mandates. This is what regulation does: it creates precedents that regulators are almost always keen to extend.
When the EU inevitably starts regulating other parts of devices and experiences, I will be here to remind you that allowing a transnational regulating body, centralised in Brussels, to influence global innovation, is a bad idea. It starts by unifying things in ways that consumers are inclined to believe is convenient and then spreads to other kinds of mandates. This is what regulation does: it creates precedents that regulators are almost always keen to extend.
Not the bulk, not even the majority, just more than any other company. It's hard to claim to be the inventor of a public standard. But yes, I know and am aware that USB-C wouldn't exist in its current form without Apple engineers feeding the committee with what they've learned by developing the Lightning port.
The ‘bad copy’ can do much more things than that ‘innovation”, and Apple is the first to implement the ‘bad copy’ on laptops.
Nothing in the legislation prevents that.
Not a charging but data protocols could change if Apple or any other company, for that matter, wanted to create new proprietary ones each year and still comply with USB-C standards.
No need to bow down - the EU reg allows for proprietary implementation as long as basic charging is included. The req merely sets a minimum compatiblity requirement.
No, but they could develop a MiFi type interface for cables to allow capabilities beyond basic PD and license that; for high speed data transfer, for example. The USB-C spec specifically allows such implementations.
Not always. Regulation also serves to protect entrenched players by raising costs and thus creating barriers to entry. As much as companies complain about regulation, getting rid of them would yield even louder screams.
Sure. Get USB-IF to add a new connector type to the standard. Unlikely but not impossible.
Or go all in on Magsafe and ditch the cable altogether.
and there was much hand wringing over the lack of USB-A plugs...
lol, a few months' difference. where I sourced the information said 2012.....masses 2013
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So the Apple Pencil 2 would be considered in the same boat as the AirPods in that it is charged wirelessly from another device that gets its power from USB-C. Sucks to be Apple Pencil 1 if the EU decides to add another alpha to the list.
Apple already have the specific type of USB Type C port for the iPhone 15: the same one used on the iPad 10 and the current iPad Air and Mini models. They don't need the exotically sophisticated Type C connectors used on the MacBook Air and Pro models.
I don't follow how you came to this conclusion, but I can see from your posts that you are firmly set in your position. Agree to disagree, and we can let the facts speak for themselves.
