according to http://macosrumors.com/ new powerbooks should be shipping in quantity sometime in september... please take with a grain of salt
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Come on Apple what's the delay? Did they buy a bulk load of Titanium they need to get rid of?
Anyway, I'm sure I'm now not the only one now considering a Dell.
Come on Apple what's the delay? Did they buy a bulk load of Titanium they need to get rid of?
Anyway, I'm sure I'm now not the only one now considering a Dell.
damn.
that sucks hard.
sunno what to do now. i ll probably buy the 17'' or a desktop mac. i ve waited long enough.
that sucks hard.
sunno what to do now. i ll probably buy the 17'' or a desktop mac. i ve waited long enough.
i think every single company that can get involved with back to school puts out new products and deals. Back to School is like a 2nd christmas. If apple releases a new powerbook in september, most people will already be in school with all their new stuff, so the sales of the Al 15" will not be as high as they should be. I'm praying that this new 15" comes out before mid August, cuz by then, I will have to put in my order to dell to get this laptop before skool starts.
Dammit Steve, pull a rabbit out of your ass quikkk
Dammit Steve, pull a rabbit out of your ass quikkk
yes, it would have made sense to release it now if the 15inch was ready...... but honestly i would think tomorrow to MWSF is the window for update now. Apple has stepped away from releaseing things only at expos, they are pushing the G5 Towers and 10.3 right now. Apple does things how they see fit, now how some message board demands. If the powerbook didn't come out i am sure it's not ready, or something else is not timed right. Apple doesn't sit on ready products for months and months just to screw customers.
That being said, i would be weary of buying a 15inch right now...... it does seem overdue for an update but the schedule Apple keeps... but who knnows. Maybe it is going to require 10.3 to run with some tweaks it has and the 10.3 release date is not official yet. who knows.
That being said, i would be weary of buying a 15inch right now...... it does seem overdue for an update but the schedule Apple keeps... but who knnows. Maybe it is going to require 10.3 to run with some tweaks it has and the 10.3 release date is not official yet. who knows.
I want to take all of you whining babies and throw you off a cliff. Or a building. Or a really tall chair.
There will ALWAYS be newer models. What is wrong with the TiG4 15"? NOTHING. I have one, and it is amazing. You should all be learning a lesson about postponing purchases based on rumors and hunches.
Honestly, if you want a desktop replacement, get a 17".
If you want a true portable, get at 12".
If for some reason, you have convinced yourself that 15 is a magical number, then bloody buy a Titanium model or keep waiting.
But for the love of god, stop. the. whining.
There will ALWAYS be newer models. What is wrong with the TiG4 15"? NOTHING. I have one, and it is amazing. You should all be learning a lesson about postponing purchases based on rumors and hunches.
Honestly, if you want a desktop replacement, get a 17".
If you want a true portable, get at 12".
If for some reason, you have convinced yourself that 15 is a magical number, then bloody buy a Titanium model or keep waiting.
But for the love of god, stop. the. whining.
Nothing prevents them from doing this, except their desire to maximize their profits by selling as many computers as possible. In a market full of highly sophisticated, media-savvy consumers, companies have to cater to the expectations of their customers. If Apple knows -- and has known for months -- that people will be expecting something at MWNY, and if Apple knows that some of those people will go Dell if nothing comes, then it's just plain stupid to wait for no good reason for a "random summer Tuesday."
I believe there must, in fact, be a good reason for the fact that no hardware product was announced today. And that reason is not just that Apple is PO'ed at IDG, or flexing its corporate right to make arbitrary decisions.
It's sad to see how many switchers have been lost just because Apple does not have a new PB out. And that's just on MacRumors. And just this morning within a couple hours of the event.
Wow. Big mistake Apple! But to those who were planning to switch, hold out just a little bit longer! Apple may come through yet.
I'm not sure, but I know that I would wait a loooong time for an update from Apple before buying a dell hunk a' junk, unless I was just looking for a cheap hunk a' junk to type stuff on, and then I might go for a PC laptop. For a REAL computer, I personally couldn't get anything but a Mac. That's just me though, maybe because I got my first Mac at 3 yrs old.
Wow. Big mistake Apple! But to those who were planning to switch, hold out just a little bit longer! Apple may come through yet.
I'm not sure, but I know that I would wait a loooong time for an update from Apple before buying a dell hunk a' junk, unless I was just looking for a cheap hunk a' junk to type stuff on, and then I might go for a PC laptop. For a REAL computer, I personally couldn't get anything but a Mac. That's just me though, maybe because I got my first Mac at 3 yrs old.
I totaly agree. I dont have a titanium, but i shure wouldnt mind having one. the only thing they are outdated on is airport exreme, but that hasnt taken off yet so it doesnt matter. the titanium is not obsolete!! You guys think obsolete is when there is a newer product out, which is untrue.
im sure there were a lot of nissan fans waiting for a new 350z to come out. Should that go with the 300zx or keep waiting. Both are great cars, but the 350z....the 350z was gonna be so nice and great and better. Who wants to spend $$$$ on a car thats good but outdated when its obivious that a new model thats better and faster etc. is coming out soon.
WHy should i spend hard earned money on something thats good, but outdated. The G4 PowerMac was awesome, dual 1.25 Ghz, it ran the programs great. The G5 had to come out tho, even though the g4 was good. I believe that patience is the key, but a lot of us have been patient for a while.
ahh yes, here it is again...
what a surprise, apple didnt do what you guys said, and so people are complaining and getting a dell. go for it.. i want a g5 powerbook to be released tomorrow, and if apple doesnt get it, im going to go buy a dell, so i can be just like steve the dell guy. apple probably has a good reason for not doing it today. and whats even better, is people think that since it didnt happen today when people predicted, that it wont ever happen! common guys.. its apple! they'll come through, and if you abandon them, then you're going to probably feel stupid as you read apples website from your new dell POS, when it says apple released a new product a week after you decided to go to dell. those are just my two cents..
btw.. dont say "well, i need a new computer now, and i cant wait" because im in the same boat. August 25th is the first day of classes at ISU
what a surprise, apple didnt do what you guys said, and so people are complaining and getting a dell. go for it.. i want a g5 powerbook to be released tomorrow, and if apple doesnt get it, im going to go buy a dell, so i can be just like steve the dell guy. apple probably has a good reason for not doing it today. and whats even better, is people think that since it didnt happen today when people predicted, that it wont ever happen! common guys.. its apple! they'll come through, and if you abandon them, then you're going to probably feel stupid as you read apples website from your new dell POS, when it says apple released a new product a week after you decided to go to dell. those are just my two cents..
btw.. dont say "well, i need a new computer now, and i cant wait" because im in the same boat. August 25th is the first day of classes at ISU
I want to swtich. I really do.
To the poster who said just buyy a TiBook I say, I do not want to buy a laptop that is roughly 8+ months old and still using "last generation" tech sdram chips.
Sure, I don;t need the latest and greatest, but I do need a machine that's gonna last me for 3 or 4 years, and still be a viable machine then.
The 12" is too underpowered and small for me. The 17" is way too big. So I need a 15" laptop.
I wanted to switch to mac just for OSX and Apple's stance on privacy issues and fair use issues.
However, to do so was gonna cost me alot of money, not just for the computer, but for all the software I'm going to have to buy again. (Photoshop, Flash, Freehand, etc...)
I was willing to swallow the cost, because I want to believe.
But damnit. I'm just frustrated at this point. Do I save myself a few grand and get a Dell? Or wait till god knows when and get a new 15".
*sigh*
It's my issue and I have to deal with it. I don't blame apple, they are doing what they think is best. It's just sad...very vey sad that I am seriously considering a buying a Windows laptop now...
Forgive the long post, I'm just goona go slink off now and cry.
To the poster who said just buyy a TiBook I say, I do not want to buy a laptop that is roughly 8+ months old and still using "last generation" tech sdram chips.
Sure, I don;t need the latest and greatest, but I do need a machine that's gonna last me for 3 or 4 years, and still be a viable machine then.
The 12" is too underpowered and small for me. The 17" is way too big. So I need a 15" laptop.
I wanted to switch to mac just for OSX and Apple's stance on privacy issues and fair use issues.
However, to do so was gonna cost me alot of money, not just for the computer, but for all the software I'm going to have to buy again. (Photoshop, Flash, Freehand, etc...)
I was willing to swallow the cost, because I want to believe.
But damnit. I'm just frustrated at this point. Do I save myself a few grand and get a Dell? Or wait till god knows when and get a new 15".
*sigh*
It's my issue and I have to deal with it. I don't blame apple, they are doing what they think is best. It's just sad...very vey sad that I am seriously considering a buying a Windows laptop now...
Forgive the long post, I'm just goona go slink off now and cry.
So much for
the Joz of Life!
I'm sorry but that pun has infected my brain for the past couple of days and I felt the need to be a vector!
the Joz of Life!
I'm sorry but that pun has infected my brain for the past couple of days and I felt the need to be a vector!
Reasons not to buy the TiBook:
paint
slow bus speed
junky airport reception (range where i live is not so great)
want higher quality LCD (higher res and better brightness etc)
And yes, I have used the current TiBook. I want the Aluminum body, 15.4" screen, DDR, better airport antenna (I don't care about AE) and maybe even internal BT (might be getting a new pda/phone for work).
i think some of us take the word "obsolete" too literally...
consider this: say an average car "lasts" 6 years. computer, on the other hand, lasts 3 years.
would you buy a car that hasn't had any model change for the last two years? worse yet, car related technology doesn't improve anywhere near as fast as computer related tech.
it's not absolutely "obsolete" but to not update a year old laptop is a big mistake.
also, you cannot tell others to settle for either a 12 or a 17. 15 is a very good standard middle size for a laptop, both physical size and (usually) performance/price wise. i cannot fault others one bit for wanting an updated 15. it's not whining at all.
consider this: say an average car "lasts" 6 years. computer, on the other hand, lasts 3 years.
would you buy a car that hasn't had any model change for the last two years? worse yet, car related technology doesn't improve anywhere near as fast as computer related tech.
it's not absolutely "obsolete" but to not update a year old laptop is a big mistake.
also, you cannot tell others to settle for either a 12 or a 17. 15 is a very good standard middle size for a laptop, both physical size and (usually) performance/price wise. i cannot fault others one bit for wanting an updated 15. it's not whining at all.
Ah well. I've been waiting for a long time anyway so I'm fine with waiting a little longer. Besides, I'm not missing out on much anyway, just being able to play a few games better, but other than that my 400MHz iMac will still work for me up until they do announce it, whenever that may be 
Whenever you complain about anyone doing anything on a message board, you open yourself up to attack. So don't complain about complainers, or they'll start complaining about you.
If the sheer volume of bitching doesn't prove that a 15" AlBook would be a big hit, then I don't know what does. Apple dropped the ball. They should have never updated the 12" and 17" without updating the 15". When your average Joe User looks at the 15" next to the 12" and 17", it looks outdated. Now when that same Joe User hits the Apple rumor sites, which all tell him that the 15" AlBook is coming soon, it's hard not to wait.
Apple isn't releasing the 15" anytime soon, by the looks of it, and I (and apparantly many others) am not going to wait much longer. I don't want a computer that's lagging behind the rest of the pack. Apple had a chance to pimp the new 15" to students, but it's getting a little to close to the school year now.
I have to say that you guys are being harsh on those who want the 15", there are many reasons not to get the Tibook, it's paint chips, it tends to have poor wifi reception, it has a slower bus speed. Also its months overdue for an update, and few people will buy something nealry updated unless they needed to. It's their money and they dont want to be let down by having their laptop replaced with a newer rev. within weeks of buying it.
Personally, i think that Apple is trying to drive home the G5 at the moment, so we won't see any new hardware for at least 2-3 weeks, unless it's a new mouse/keyboard to go with the G5.
Personally, i think that Apple is trying to drive home the G5 at the moment, so we won't see any new hardware for at least 2-3 weeks, unless it's a new mouse/keyboard to go with the G5.
That's right...and that good reason is the fact that they aren't ready...nothing else. Apple may have attitude sometimes, but business is business and they won't do something that will hurt their ability to make sales or hurt their long term profitability. So why rush something out or make teaser announcements about something that isn't fully ready to go.
Steve said this is the year of the laptop so I expect we will see some important updates to the PB line soon...for those whom the 17 inch laptop wasn't enough...just not right now. MWParis seems like a good bet.
And as for all these 'switchers' Apple is 'losing' because of their delay. The PB line as it is is FAR superior overall to ANYTHING available on the PC side. So these saying they are going to go with Dell, blah, blah, blah....were going to go with Dell anyway, mainly because of price. There is nothing wrong with the present line of PBs, as snahabed said earlier.
So buy one now...or wait...but there will ALWAYS be a bigger, badder computer around the corner....it's an endless race...ENDLESS...
Just enjoy the run
well, that's it ...
I can't stall my boss any longer ... Steve just sold 4 Toshiba 15" laptops (and made me look stupid in the process) ... and the rest of our research group will almost certainly switch over the coming year.
It's not just a hardware cycle. The current line is perfectly adequate. However, it's difficult to defend a decision to purchase hardware that hasn't been updated in a while and for which there are no announced plans to update ... particularly when you're defending against PC advocates who have multiple vendors, reliable/consistent product upgrade cycles, and a clear commitment to working with its users (their vendors visit our offices and keep us informed about their product plans). It's not about price or simply about this feature or that ... we simply can't depend on Apple.
Yes, Apple is a business but, you know what? So are we. We have to get work done and we have to make smart buying decisions. Such decisions can't easily depend on whimsical vendors. And the differential between Apple's products and its competitors is not so great as to make it any easier.
We're grown-ups and understand about delays in new products. But we need to be able to have some understanding of what to expect in order to make our purchase decisions. We can't let our work be held hostage by Apple. Since Apple doesn't seem to get this and apparently can't even tell its user community what's going on with the product line, we're just tired of pandering to Apple's peurile marketing behavior.
As a die-hard Mac user since 1987, I'm heartsick at having been forced to make such a decision. I don't look forward to wrestling with Windows until our next refresh cycle in 3 years but, at least, I know I can ge some work done. And I can stop giving a damn about Seve Jobs' whimsy ...
Good luck to all of you waiting for updated 15" Powerbooks ...
I can't stall my boss any longer ... Steve just sold 4 Toshiba 15" laptops (and made me look stupid in the process) ... and the rest of our research group will almost certainly switch over the coming year.
It's not just a hardware cycle. The current line is perfectly adequate. However, it's difficult to defend a decision to purchase hardware that hasn't been updated in a while and for which there are no announced plans to update ... particularly when you're defending against PC advocates who have multiple vendors, reliable/consistent product upgrade cycles, and a clear commitment to working with its users (their vendors visit our offices and keep us informed about their product plans). It's not about price or simply about this feature or that ... we simply can't depend on Apple.
Yes, Apple is a business but, you know what? So are we. We have to get work done and we have to make smart buying decisions. Such decisions can't easily depend on whimsical vendors. And the differential between Apple's products and its competitors is not so great as to make it any easier.
We're grown-ups and understand about delays in new products. But we need to be able to have some understanding of what to expect in order to make our purchase decisions. We can't let our work be held hostage by Apple. Since Apple doesn't seem to get this and apparently can't even tell its user community what's going on with the product line, we're just tired of pandering to Apple's peurile marketing behavior.
As a die-hard Mac user since 1987, I'm heartsick at having been forced to make such a decision. I don't look forward to wrestling with Windows until our next refresh cycle in 3 years but, at least, I know I can ge some work done. And I can stop giving a damn about Seve Jobs' whimsy ...
Good luck to all of you waiting for updated 15" Powerbooks ...
Everything is outdated the second you buy it. New cars depreciate as soon as you take them off the lot. Be sure that there is always a new Powerbook or {shudder} Dell laptop in production or being planned.
I would love to know exactly what great performance gains you and others are expecting of a new 15" Powerbook. You do realize it will be a G4, right? Has there been ANY G4 > 1ghz in a portable yet? No. Even if it were speed bumped... to what? 1.1? 1.2? And to what effect with respect to heat?
All the bellyaching for a tiny (if any) speed bump, and maybe airport extreme (the bandwidth of which will be mostly unused by most people), and Aluminum instead of Titanium? You have got to be kidding me!
The difference between a dual 2Ghz G5 and a dual 1.25Ghz G4 is colossal. The difference between a 1ghz AlG4 15" and 1ghz TiG4 15" is pretty much.....paint.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself!
Edit: You people are truly unbelievable. I am shocked. You all ACTUALLY will consider an entire gorgeously engineered TiG4 obsolete because of paint chips (mine has not one chip or scratch after 6 months), the possibility of internal BT (my dongle works just fine), and "poor" airport reception (I have no problems with this at all). Seriously. Yeah, Ok people, get some Dells, I am sure they will never get a scratch, I am sure they have internal and OS-supported BT, I am sure they dont suffer from WiFi Reception problems that all PC Cards I've seen have. Right. Sure.
What's the big deal???
OK now I was expecting new from this one not because I knew anything but just from the speculations. I 've recently switched to Apple (early March with a 12" PB) and seeing the 15" one getting Al and minor updates to the rest would be interesting. However there are a few things that I don't understand. Why do they have to announce a new PB in mid July? Students you say. But if students need an Apple com they will buy one. They dont have to buy one now and they certainly dont have to buy one in August. They will buy it a few weeks before schools start ie September. That means to me that the only reason why you all wanted one now is because you expected it and well it didnt materialise. On the other hand people that consider Dells think of what you are saying.... You wanted the 15PB aluminium or any Dell. I mean you disregard the whole lineup of Apple notebooks, you disregard the difference of OS the platform you diregard all the advantages of Apples only because Apple did not update one of its products 2 months ahead of you going to school or needing it. Now to me that does not sound like a serious switcher. If all you want from Apple is an Al 15PB then you might not want an Apple at all and if Dell made an Al 15 PC you would have stuck with them. Or if Apple never introduced Al laptops and they kept Ti for their 12 and 17 inchers then would you have bought it???? Would it feel more or less outdated then... My point? if you wanted a 15" PB for it's Al casing it is too shallow of a reason to buy a Mac. If you dont want a Mac enough to consider the rest of the lineup or wait another month or two to see if what you want is coming then you are definitely not going to spend 2500$ for a Mac. I bought my PB for 1800 in Feb it has then lost some 500 of its value you can call it obsolete now or in a month or two but I couldn't be happier and I am never going back to Wintel even if a new 15" never comes along..... If what you want is a good 15" now and you are serious about the Mac platform then buy a 15" TiG4 now and stop complaining.
OK now I was expecting new from this one not because I knew anything but just from the speculations. I 've recently switched to Apple (early March with a 12" PB) and seeing the 15" one getting Al and minor updates to the rest would be interesting. However there are a few things that I don't understand. Why do they have to announce a new PB in mid July? Students you say. But if students need an Apple com they will buy one. They dont have to buy one now and they certainly dont have to buy one in August. They will buy it a few weeks before schools start ie September. That means to me that the only reason why you all wanted one now is because you expected it and well it didnt materialise. On the other hand people that consider Dells think of what you are saying.... You wanted the 15PB aluminium or any Dell. I mean you disregard the whole lineup of Apple notebooks, you disregard the difference of OS the platform you diregard all the advantages of Apples only because Apple did not update one of its products 2 months ahead of you going to school or needing it. Now to me that does not sound like a serious switcher. If all you want from Apple is an Al 15PB then you might not want an Apple at all and if Dell made an Al 15 PC you would have stuck with them. Or if Apple never introduced Al laptops and they kept Ti for their 12 and 17 inchers then would you have bought it???? Would it feel more or less outdated then... My point? if you wanted a 15" PB for it's Al casing it is too shallow of a reason to buy a Mac. If you dont want a Mac enough to consider the rest of the lineup or wait another month or two to see if what you want is coming then you are definitely not going to spend 2500$ for a Mac. I bought my PB for 1800 in Feb it has then lost some 500 of its value you can call it obsolete now or in a month or two but I couldn't be happier and I am never going back to Wintel even if a new 15" never comes along..... If what you want is a good 15" now and you are serious about the Mac platform then buy a 15" TiG4 now and stop complaining.
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