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[NNO-Stephen]

Originally posted by KrazyKidd
im sure there were a lot of nissan fans waiting for a new 350z to come out. Should that go with the 300zx or keep waiting. Both are great cars, but the 350z....the 350z was gonna be so nice and great and better. Who wants to spend $$$$ on a car thats good but outdated when its obivious that a new model thats better and faster etc. is coming out soon.

WHy should i spend hard earned money on something thats good, but outdated. The G4 PowerMac was awesome, dual 1.25 Ghz, it ran the programs great. The G5 had to come out tho, even though the g4 was good. I believe that patience is the key, but a lot of us have been patient for a while.

very true. I want a PowerBook, but I am not getting one till Apple decides to pull their head out and release one! it is lacking in airport range, no airport extreme, the paint chips, the paint... is paint, they keyboard is not nearly as nice as the new ones, it does not have DDR RAM, and does not have bluetooth built-in. so yeah, there is every reason to wait. I am not going to buy an out-dated product that is overdue for an update. flame me for it if you want, but it's my money and I dont want to pay this years price for last years model.

 

[MasterMac]

MacOSRumors said that *one* model will be shipping significantly sooner than the other two once they are updated. That implies that the announcement could possibly be sometime in July or August:

Word on the street is that new 'books are already being manufactured and that all three new models should be shipping in quantity by September, at least one of them significantly sooner.

All I can do is hope that this one model is the 15''

 

[Mokona]

Well, all we had was loose speculation.

When's the next expo/event due?

Anyway. I'm gonna keep crossing my fingers every tuesday until something new comes out. I wish for it to happen within the next two weeks, thats when I get the insurance money for my last (stolen) laptop. A 6.5 pound monster. It sported a Northwood P4 at 2.8 GHz... Drained batteries like nothing else but was a good gaming platform. Wish for a 12" PB though. If not then I get a new sager.

 

[agreenster]

Well.....

Dont forget DDR ram

 

[Lyle]

Originally posted by freundt
I want to swtich. I really do.

To the poster who said just buy a TiBook I say, I do not want to buy a laptop that is roughly 8+ months old and still using "last generation" tech sdram chips.

Sure, I don;t need the latest and greatest, but I do need a machine that's gonna last me for 3 or 4 years, and still be a viable machine then.

The 12" is too underpowered and small for me. The 17" is way too big. So I need a 15" laptop.

I wanted to switch to mac just for OSX and Apple's stance on privacy issues and fair use issues.

However, to do so was gonna cost me alot of money, not just for the computer, but for all the software I'm going to have to buy again. (Photoshop, Flash, Freehand, etc...)
I was willing to swallow the cost, because I want to believe.

But damnit. I'm just frustrated at this point. Do I save myself a few grand and get a Dell? Or wait till god knows when and get a new 15".

*sigh*

It's my issue and I have to deal with it. I don't blame apple, they are doing what they think is best. It's just sad...very vey sad that I am seriously considering a buying a Windows laptop now...

Well said, freundt. I think your comments reflect the position of a lot of us who really, really want to switch to Apple. But I'm growing tired of getting jerked around. Due to past experience with Dell, I can assure you that they will never get another dime of my money; but it is seeming more and more likely that my next computer will be an IBM ThinkPad instead of an Apple PowerBook.

 

[sockseller]

I think Apple has a problem with doing really well for a while and meeting all their customer's expectations, then losing touch and screwing their loyalists over in order to make a quick buck. I am going to school in late August, and I need a new computer, even if it was announced today, it probably wouldn't of been in my hands the day school starts(because new products are virtually never ready to ship the same day they are released, plus shipping, etc...). And if I'm going to be spending $3500 for a top of the line 15", I'd rather wait 2 more months now, than live with currently 9 months old technology for the next 5 years(which is how long I plan on having it, hell I kept my Performa 6200 all the way up until early last year).

The 12 is too small and the 17 is too big, my school is all proud about how wide spreading and great their wireless capabilites are, and I wasnt to be able to take advantage....

So it looks like buying an old cheap Pbook on eBay for a couple months and then getting the new 15" when it comes out...

 

[Flowbee]

Originally posted by themadchemist
It's sad to see how many switchers have been lost just because Apple does not have a new PB out. And that's just on MacRumors. And just this morning within a couple hours of the event.

I honestly believe that most of those people would have found another reason not to buy an Apple (too expensive, too slow, crappy graphics card, no usb 2.0, etc). The real beneift of Mac is not the hardware or case design (though those are big pluses), but rather being able to use OS X. And the fact is, you can't run OS X on a Dell.

Even on the best PC available, windows is still windows.

 

[Rustus Maximus]

Originally posted by Flowbee
And the fact is, you can't run OS X on a Dell.

Doesn't a Dell explode when it tries to run Marklar? They proved that in lab tests I think...didn't they?

 

[illumin8]

Does anyone else feel that bitching in these forums like all of us have been doing is getting us nowhere? It's painfully obvious that no Apple employees ever read these threads or if they do they are not in a position of power to cause Apple to change anything.

I propose that we start a massive campaign of calling people at Apple Corporate that are in charge of release schedules and telling them how much money they are losing. Does anyone have the names and phone numbers of some people at Apple that we should call? I think if someone at Apple corporate got 100 calls from people saying something like "I have $3000 burning a hole in my pocket that you'll never see unless you release a new 15" PB", we might get a response...

Ah... f*ck it, I might as well just get a Dell instead, it's not worth the trouble.

Apple seems to like treating their customers with the mushroom theory:

Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em sh*t.

 

[snahabed]

Oh and how is Apple jerking you around?

Show me exactly where Apple has announced an Aluminum G4 15" Powerbook.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Still waiting.

Oh that's right, they never have. Your own artificial expectations based on rumor sites are what jerked you around.

If 15" is of primary importance, get a TiG4.
If the Airport Extreme, "DDR" RAM, BT, and Aluminum are of primary importance, get a 12" or 17".

If I were in the market now, I would get a 17". It is not THAT much bigger than a 15"!

 

[vrapan]

Windows will be Windows

A truth said in this forum. People get your act together and decide what you want a casing no matter what the OS or a OS no matter what the casing. Mac OSX rocks I can't wait for Panther and I would happily run it on an "outdated" 15" PB Ti rather than running XP on any brand new gorgeous cool lappy.... There are two more months anyway .... and in any case Apple was not that happy about this MacWorld to do it the honor and announce new things especially if they couldn't ship them the same moment.

 

[TWinbrook46636]

Originally posted by snahabed

If I were in the market now, I would get a 17". It is not THAT much bigger than a 15"!

Uh, maybe some of us don't want something that big. Yes, it is big. Very big!

 

[NNO-Stephen]

Originally posted by snahabed
If 15" is of primary importance, get a TiG4.
If the Airport Extreme, "DDR" RAM, BT, and Aluminum are of primary importance, get a 12" or 17".

If I were in the market now, I would get a 17". It is not THAT much bigger than a 15"!

yes, the 17" IS THAT much bigger. have you ever used one? that takes the portable out of... portable. think desktop replacement.

You have to admit apple left a big hole in the mid range PowerBook offerings when they did not update it with the other two. it's feature lacking and there should at least be deep discounts on it if they are not going to update it for 2/3+ of a year.

 

[Lyle]

Originally posted by snahabed
Oh and how is Apple jerking you around?

Show me exactly where Apple has announced an Aluminum G4 15" Powerbook.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Still waiting.

Oh that's right, they never have. Your own artificial expectations based on rumor sites are what jerked you around.

Absolutely correct, no argument there.

If 15" is of primary importance, get a TiG4.
If the Airport Extreme, "DDR" RAM, BT, and Aluminum are of primary importance, get a 12" or 17".

If I were in the market now, I would get a 17". It is not THAT much bigger than a 15"!

According to my calculations, the 17" PowerBook is about $700.00 bigger than the 15" PowerBook.

 

[TWinbrook46636]

Originally posted by illumin8
Does anyone else feel that bitching in these forums like all of us have been doing is getting us nowhere? It's painfully obvious that no Apple employees ever read these threads or if they do they are not in a position of power to cause Apple to change anything.

If everyone waiting lets them know then maybe...

 

[Websnapx2]

Originally posted by KrazyKidd
Who wants to spend $$$$ on a car thats good but outdated when its obivious that a new model thats better and faster etc. is coming out soon.

First off we don't know when "soon" is. "Soon" has ben for the last 4 months. But that is besides the point. There is ALWAYS SOMETHING BETTER COMING - always. If you don't know this, than you must be new to the world of tech.

All you people talkling about going to dell don't really care for the mac at all. There is nothing - NOTHING - that a 12' - 17" (including the TiBook) can't do that a dell can. Most importantly is the OS, and if you all have forgoten that, your on the wrong board.

 

[TWinbrook46636]

Originally posted by snahabed
Oh that's right, they never have. Your own artificial expectations based on rumor sites are what jerked you around.

No, it's based on the simple logic that a model that was made obsolete by back in January would have been updated by now.

 

[plinkoman]

aren't they just waiting for the 7457 chips before any major updates? because seriously, ddr ram and better paint is going to make an extreamly little difference in how well the thing performs, so why would they update that, just to make another update in a month or two with the better processors? that would just make everyone who got it now hate themselves for not waiting an extra month for a faster processor.

 

[snahabed]

OK Fair enough, the 17" is more expensive... but who knows how an updated 15" would be priced.

I have used the 17", yes, and overall it is an extra pound and a couple inches wider. I find it hard to believe that is make or break. The 15" is pretty big too. If small size is a concern, the 12" is a great deal. And if you really need the size compromise, then the TiG4 is a great machine.

I just find it hard to fathom that someone would want to switch to Mac, and there are tons upon tons of configurations and options, and yet people will find tiny excuses and nitpick. I'd love the Dual G5 to be shipping TODAY. I'd love Panther to be shipping TODAY, but it's not, so I'll use the next best thing until then (G4 and Jag). The next best thing to THAT is G3 and Jag. The next best thing to THAT is G3 and OS9. The next best thing to THAT is Linux on anything. And after that, I would become Amish and shun computing altogether.

 

[Rustus Maximus]

Originally posted by illumin8
Does anyone else feel that bitching in these forums like all of us have been doing is getting us nowhere? It's painfully obvious that no Apple employees ever read these threads or if they do they are not in a position of power to cause Apple to change anything.....I think if someone at Apple corporate got 100 calls from people saying something like "I have $3000 burning a hole in my pocket that you'll never see unless you release a new 15" PB", we might get a response...

Consumer corporate terrorism? Well, even if they got 10,000 calls, if it isn't ready then it isn't ready. Apple is pretty good about not releasing meaningless updates. Who knows, maybe there is a delay because the mobile G5 will be ready sooner than expected, anybody chewing on that possibility yet? Remember, they are AHEAD of schedule with the G5...mainly because IBM is a professional player in the processor game, they are in it to win it.

Originally posted by robodweeb
I can't stall my boss any longer ... Steve just sold 4 Toshiba 15" laptops (and made me look stupid in the process) ... and the rest of our research group will almost certainly switch over the coming year......As a die-hard Mac user since 1987, I'm heartsick at having been forced to make such a decision. I don't look forward to wrestling with Windows until our next refresh cycle in 3 years but, at least, I know I can ge some work done. And I can stop giving a damn about Seve Jobs' whimsy ...

Good luck to all of you waiting for updated 15" Powerbooks ...

What exactly don't you like about the 17" PB? Why not go with that, given all of the advanced features it has? You won't find a comparably featured PC for much less, plus this PC would be running the Windoze you are apparently dreading wrestling with. What exactly is preventing you from getting work done with the present line of PBs? They are terrific notebooks with a terrific OS.

You won't even have to wrestle with it...unless you want to

 

[TechHistorian]

Obsolete or obsolescent?

Obsolete? The 15" is obsolete? You mean it doesn't run OS X? Yes, it may not be brand-spankin' new, it might not have all the latest and greatest technology, but it is not "obsolete." An original 128K Mac is obsolete ....

 

[spercharged69]

Well I'm in the same boat as robodweeb. I sold my boss on new laptops for my team about a month ago, and I was hoping for an announcement at WWDC, and now one this week. We're going to be forced to go the PC route soon enough if Apple doesn't release, OR AT LEAST announce new Powerbooks. My team of developers all agree that the 17 is too big to be as portable as we need it to be, and the 12 is too small/underpowered for every day use... Which leaves the 15. Working for an IT company, having bleeding edge hardware in the office is sort of... almost a bragging right.

My boss would laugh in my face if I suggested, "Well we've waited a month, but let's buy these 15 inch Powerbooks, that are just as expensive as better/comparable PC's, but they have all kinds of problems AND run on SDRAM like your old AMD Thunderbird!"

Myself, and my guys REALLY want to switch, we've become captivated by the whole Apple culture, we just can't until there's new hardware. We will be purchasing either 15 inch Powerbooks, or the new Sager 8890. Whichever comes first. ...And sadly, with not a peep from Apple, I think it might be the Sager.

 

[crobben]

WWDC Best Choice for Future Announcements

Apple should continue to focus on making big announcements at WWDC. This gives them time to ramp up production and advertising before most school's fall semesters begin, and before the end of the fiscal year for many gov't offices and businesses when money left over in their budgets must be spent or lost.

 

[Lord Bodak]

Originally posted by snahabed
I want to take all of you whining babies and throw you off a cliff. Or a building. Or a really tall chair.

There will ALWAYS be newer models. What is wrong with the TiG4 15"? NOTHING. I have one, and it is amazing. You should all be learning a lesson about postponing purchases based on rumors and hunches.

Honestly, if you want a desktop replacement, get a 17".
If you want a true portable, get at 12".
If for some reason, you have convinced yourself that 15 is a magical number, then bloody buy a Titanium model or keep waiting.

But for the love of god, stop. the. whining.

THANK YOU!!!!!
If you want a PowerBook, buy a PowerBook. If you want a Dell, buy a Dell. If you _really_ want a PowerBook, it doesn't matter if it's a Titanium or Aluminum or what-- you'll buy the PowerBook; there is nothing wrong with the current ones.

 

[spercharged69]

Originally posted by Lord Bodak
THANK YOU!!!!!
If you want a PowerBook, buy a PowerBook. If you want a Dell, buy a Dell. If you _really_ want a PowerBook, it doesn't matter if it's a Titanium or Aluminum or what-- you'll buy the PowerBook; there is nothing wrong with the current ones.

The problem with that is, to upper management that's footing the bill for most of us to upgrade to new computers... It's nearly impossible to sell them on 'old' hardware. It's a stupid business decision for them, no matter how great you guys think the current 15 incher is.